Okay, seems it's no longer fashionable to have an "in your face" "mines bigger than yours" multi level, hi-rise batwing on your car (oh, that's right, it never was), so I'm gonna take it off. I've been meaning to do it since I got the car over 18 months ago but it kinda grew on me and now the novelty has worn off.

Has anyone done this or know someone whos done it. There are several bolts holding it on but I reckon it's also held on with some super double sided adhesive "bat" tape (the type all super heroes use).

Any ideas? And I don't want to hear about any super "bat" solvent.

just tap it gently with a hammer - i suggest nothing smaller then a 5 pund sledge ;)

Sorry - i am not a wing person - so i would only assume there would be 4-6 bolts holding and the glue - which like debaging - cut it with some fishing line - like dental floss - then just clean the glue off with any form of general cleaner

Manual

or you can exchange bootlid with some ralliart magna wannabe owner..... lol

or swap the whole car with my wingless one

just want to point out to you, a new aftermarket RalliArt wing (Non Genu) is worth $600+.
I think you could sell yours if you advertise it as a Genu wing for that price or more.

Good luck.

Its double sided tape.

To get it off there should be 4 bolts (plus 1 tail light hole) 5 holes total.

Undo the bolts from underneath the boot lid. Grab some fishing wire and slide it inbetween the boot lid and wing. This will make it so you can lift it off.

Then grab some Teatree oil and rub off the tape. Now find some plugs to cover the wing holes.

Thanks guys. I'll give it a go.

I think I'll hang on to the wing because when I eventually sell the car, the new owner might want a Ralliart with wing.

Why oh Why ??

The Ralliart looks terrible without the wing on.

If anything, remove the snowplough they call a front bar but not the rear wing.

Now you are just a modified Magna and not a genuine Ralliart !!!

Theres no way i will take the spoiler off my Ralliart.

But i guess it is each to their own.

Plus, you will have four holes in your bootlid.

Plus, you will have four holes in your bootlid.
Exactly
That'd be a Problem :confused:

Plus, you will have four holes in your bootlid.

5 holes :)

The whole Ralliart look was a little overdone and although I can live with it, it's probably not the way I would have designed it. I followed the development of the Ralliart right from it's first showing at the Sydney motor show years ago and knew that I wanted one regrdless of the looks (within reason) because of what was under the skin. I would have prefered a kit that looked something more like a VRX.

Did you know that the reaction to the wing was so negative by some potential buyers that Mitsu were going to offer a smaller one as an option. This never happened as I don't think sales justified it, but I would have been one of the people who would have gone with the smaller wing.

The whole Ralliart look was a little overdone and although I can live with it, it's probably not the way I would have designed it. I followed the development of the Ralliart right from it's first showing at the Sydney motor show years ago and knew that I wanted one regrdless of the looks (within reason) because of what was under the skin. I would have prefered a kit that looked something more like a VRX.

Did you know that the reaction to the wing was so negative by some potential buyers that Mitsu were going to offer a smaller one as an option. This never happened as I don't think sales justified it, but I would have been one of the people who would have gone with the smaller wing.

So True. Having had my TJ 1.5 VR-X for 20 months now, I like the overall look, partic side on, compared to the Ralliart. I secretly wish that I could just plonk a Ralliart 180kw engine in, in place of mine. :D

The Ralliart wing is true functional wing, like the Lancer Evo's of the time.. like 3 years ago.. but it doesn't sit well with the general public. The Mitsu dealer in Canberra who was selling them back in 2000 said that he would remove the wing, and many buyers had. Or replace it with a single wing. Or take one of the wings out? And yes, the front bar sucks.

But with all the engineering - the konis, the engine work, the suspension, etc etc.. you have a technically much more competent car than most of us. Be happy with that. And leave the wing on. :)

I secretly wish that I could just plonk a Ralliart 180kw engine in, in place of mine. F#@% that!What about the MIVEC 3.5l :D :D Bit more punchier than the Ralliart spec,Something Mitsi should have produced instead in the Ralliart's :roll: :roll:

the rallairt double wing is meant to have 2 functions, one for downforce above 100 and another for downforce above 200, dont know how that actually works, but u dont need the 200 plus!

i agree the VRX kit is really classy and the r/a kit very extravert and agressive , but then it shows the real EVO breed too, and that doesnt continuing with TL or the upcomoing really ugly new magna, they now importing the EVO 8 at 60'000$ and are all sold out in advance- with a same type wing. but up to you anyway just keep it in a safe place ;)

ehh! they arnt allowed here yet too much power or it just mitsu is not bring them in :/ theres harldy a change from the 7 to the 8 :doubt:

the rallairt double wing is meant to have 2 functions, one for downforce above 100 and another for downforce above 200, dont know how that actually works, but u dont need the 200 plus!



hahahaha.. You do realise how dumb that sounds.

While thats technically correct, rear wings are meant to produce downforce for rear wheel drives, to keep the traction.

On a FWD vehicle its pointless. Its purely for looks.. nothing more, nothing less.

No use kidding yourself.

hahahaha.. You do realise how dumb that sounds.

While thats technically correct, rear wings are meant to produce downforce for rear wheel drives, to keep the traction.

On a FWD vehicle its pointless. Its purely for looks.. nothing more, nothing less.

No use kidding yourself.

Excuse me. Keeping the rear down, on any car - fwd, awd, rwd... is a good idea. Keeps tyres in contact with the road, promoting safer handling and braking. Yes?

Excuse me. Keeping the rear down, on any car - fwd, awd, rwd... is a good idea. Keeps tyres in contact with the road, promoting safer handling and braking. Yes?


True, but making the assumption that the wing was put there for that purpose is only deluding yourself.

Please read my post.. see where it says.. "While technically correct"

It was put there to be an 'in your face' design.

dude take the wing off and while you're there debadge it as well...totally. Got a guy over here in brisbane with this done and it looks seriously amazing. His name is Jowet on these forums. Very clean lines very schmick.... Very bloody sexy car.

Saw a Ralliart with a VR-X wing the other day... looked so much better!!!!

Think I'll take it off this week if I get a chance. I'll post some before and after pics to show you all what it looks like. Guess I can always put it back on if it looks crap. :shock:

Saw a Ralliart with a VR-X wing the other day... looked so much better!!!!

akko,

Was it this one?

nope but that one looks allright :D , the one I saw was a Silver one being sold at a mitsu dealer here in Perth.

that white one looks soo...

fake?

i donno.. bad choice of wheels, the ralliart decal, and that wing.. it looks totally aftermarket.

i woudlnt buy it even if it was a ligit!

True, but making the assumption that the wing was put there for that purpose is only deluding yourself.

Please read my post.. see where it says.. "While technically correct"

It was put there to be an 'in your face' design.


bain, wings front or rearpbroduce downforce only at high speed. they are fore stability at speed and downforce in cornering regardless of whether u are feeding power in or which wheels the power is being fed to.
very few rwds have enough power to break traction by wheelspin at high speed, therefore they would also have it on for cosmetics only.

thats why rwd's have front wings as well. thats why an F1 will fly away if the front wing gets broken- when its rwd. thats why fwd race cars also have rear wings. they dont add useless weight reducing lap times just to look good. thats why most rwd drag cars who need traction most dont bother putting on rear wings- they only work at speed and when they are travelling fast traction is no longer an issue.
any car no matter which wheels drive will get floaty at high speeds, cornering forces at speed cause loss of traction, that is due to momentum not wheelspin, front and rear wings push the car down at speed so that it doesnt get floaty and requires more cornering G force to break traction.

a cross section of an aircraft wing has a flat bottom and curved top, that shape when passed through air quickly causes lift. a car from the side while not smooth, very roughly has basically a flat bottom and curved top, going fast enough will produce some lift. the rear wing on a car is doing exactly what the ailerons- the flaps you see lift up at the back of the wing, are doing- keeping the back down.

bain, wings front or rearpbroduce downforce only at high speed. they are fore stability at speed and downforce in cornering regardless of whether u are feeding power in or which wheels the power is being fed to.
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the rear wing on a car is doing exactly what the ailerons- the flaps you see lift up at the back of the wing, are doing- keeping the back down.
nice post.... i totally agree!!

and they will have effects at most speeds... it just changes through out... I reckon Booya will notice it a lot on his NT travelling... and i reckon his wing will go back on for long distance trips!!!

nice post.... i totally agree!!

and they will have effects at most speeds... it just changes through out... I reckon Booya will notice it a lot on his NT travelling... and i reckon his wing will go back on for long distance trips!!!

haha.. i think your right there too!

ive said it a while ago (i think the first couple of months since i joined up and put on the wing) i said i did notice high speed stability! not going for a quick high speed thrash witout the wing, i dare say it might be a bit more floaty at speeds.

having said that, ill leave it for open testing one day when ive got the time, but at this stage, minus the wing will alow me for quicker accelleration less drag (better on fuel ) so ill leave it at that. but perhaps one day (like next year ;)) when im in targa tasmania, i just might want max downfoce throught the Tasmanian jungle! :cool:
stay tuned :D

Ben.

Ask jowet about removing rear wings.. he has removed his VR-X wing from his and it looks p0rn!

SuFz :badgrin:

JUT and SUFS the car says 'thanks baby'

I removed the wing from my vr-x . The two options to go are... (don't leave holes - bad...rust)

1. Remove wing, weld holes, sand and respray boot (I was quoted around 300).

2. Replace whole boot with one from mitsu (I did this, $ 550 supplied, painted and installed - check out 3rd GEN 'post your ride' forum)

Good thing about 2. is that you can swap the boot whenever eg. track day or to sell.
Thats about the only options - so now you have the hardest decision!
Jowet

JUT and SUFS the car says 'thanks baby'

I removed the wing from my vr-x . The two options to go are... (don't leave holes - bad...rust)

1. Remove wing, weld holes, sand and respray boot (I was quoted around 300).

2. Replace whole boot with one from mitsu (I did this, $ 550 supplied, painted and installed - check out 3rd GEN 'post your ride' forum)

Good thing about 2. is that you can swap the boot whenever eg. track day or to sell.
Thats about the only options - so now you have the hardest decision!
Jowet

Would you ever consider selling your old wing with or without the boot lid? PM me with an asking price if interested...

Think I'll take it off this week if I get a chance. I'll post some before and after pics to show you all what it looks like. Guess I can always put it back on if it looks crap. :shock:

ReallyArt,

Worth a read:

Vehicle Standards Information No. 10 (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/vrninte.nsf/alldocs/1E9B8E6A50CB9A21CA256E0D000D5B0F?OpenDocument&Area=[Road+safety+hidden+documents)

Excerpt:



7.21 Centre High Mounted Stop Lamps

Reference ADR 60/...

1. Purpose


The centre high mounted stop lamp fitted to the rear of passenger cars and some three wheeled vehicles is to provide an additional indication to other road users to the rear of the vehicle that the driver of the vehicle is applying the service brakes.

2. Presence


Mandatory

One red lamp complying with ADR 60/... shall be fitted to on passenger cars (MA) and some three wheeled vehicles (LEP), showing a red light to the rear of the vehicle.

It shall have an area of not less than 29 cm2 and not contain symbols, letters or characters on the lens except for part numbers, approval numbers or manufacturers identification.

3. Position


3.1 Width:

On the vehicle centre line.

3.2 Height:

Any position, including rear window.

No portion of the lens shall be lower than the bottom edge of the rear window by more than;

152 mm for convertibles
77 mm for all other vehicles

3.3 Length:

This lamp shall be at the rear window or rear of the vehicle facing rearward.

3.4 Geometric Requirements

The angles of light distribution are as shown in Figure 7.21.1 and 7.21.2.


4. Lighting Requirements


This lamp shall emit a red light.

5. Grouping of Lamps


May not be grouped, combined or incorporated with any other lamps
6. Electrical Requirements


Shall illuminate only with the application of the service brake, retarder or similar device.

7. "Tell-tale" Signal


A "tell-tail" lamp is optional.

8. Other Requirements


If the lamp is mounted inside the vehicle, it shall be shrouded to the glass or other means shall be provided to minimise reflections from the light of the lamp upon the rear window glazing that might be visible to the driver when viewed directly, or indirectly, in the rear vision mirror.

LED displays are optional.

If you remove the spoiler, for your car to remain ADR compliant, you will need to place a centre mount stop light in your rear window.

I just thought I would make you, and everyone else, aware of it :)

The man makes a very good point...

Good point. It had crossed my mind. Wouldn't be too hard to fit a standard window mounted stop light though.

Good point. It had crossed my mind. Wouldn't be too hard to fit a standard window mounted stop light though.

Just leave it alone. Like I said earlier on in this thread.

please look at following picture (courtesy Jowet):

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=232

NOW GO DE-WING! :P

Just leave it alone. Like I said earlier on in this thread.

I love it when you talk forceful Canberra VR-Xlol


And Tim-E, that does look good!!