This is getting on my nerves :P

I have a pair of Pioneer TS-D691R 6x9 speakers that i want fitted to my parcel shelf. I have had to bend the lips of the speaker hole down to try to fit them but they still only slightly fit and sit on an angle. I want them sitting nice and flush with the parcel shelf.

The only way i have thought of fitting it is either getting the old angle grinder out and clearing the lip off but i dont really want to make a mess out of it.

Other option is fitting spacers so they sit up just high enoughfor speakers to sit in nicely, only problem there is that i wont be able to fit a screw driver in to do screws up closest to window as the windows will be to close to screw holes.

Any help appreciated.

when i did it i simply put the speakers in the hole... but they wouldent fit so i just left em sitting in there because i knew that they wont go any where because of the cover.. and 3 months later no probs so whatever

I want mine nice and secure. Don't really want a $200 set of speakers bouncing the back. :woot:

I want mine nice and secure. Don't really want a $200 set of speakers bouncing the back. :woot:

Or becoming missiles if a sudden stop should occur, flying speaker to the back of the head would hurt I think :nuts:

told ya wat to do But they still wont fit so run sum spacers:beer:

You may be able to run spacers, use nuts and bolts tightening the nuts from the boot.

cut the lip a few slices in to the lip of the hole and bend it over or you can also use a dremel from the bottom

i just used a pair of pliers and some elbow grease to fit mine

Other option is fitting spacers so they sit up just high enough for speakers to sit in nicely, only problem there is that i wont be able to fit a screw driver in to do screws up closest to window as the windows will be to close to screw holes.

I use a bent screwdriver to do that task, then tighten the screws up as if I were using a spanner, usually after finger turning them as far as they'll go by hand.

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Looks funny, but it works incredibly well. Probably more of a last resort thing but eh.

Hehe the bent screwdriver is a handy idea. I use one of those bendy plastic things with the wire going through the middle, came with my socket set.

I'll most likely cut into the lip in the few spots and bend it right back.

Thanks for the suggestions guys

that screwdrive is too long haha... in the TJ's you need a screwdriver that is like an inch long...(weel it would be nice) but yea

I just done the front two i have no rattles or vibes from the speakers may this could be sum use to it

Ratcheting Bit driver ftw.

Ratcheting bit would be even better for the job. I just found that bent screwdriver at the wreckers one day, never knew just how handy it would be for the task. :P

ive had the same issue...got jbl 6x9's and now the stock grille OR the 6x9 grille wont fit..so unfotunetly their just sitting uncovered! also thanks to them having a larger magnet then the stock speakers i cant utilize all 4 screws..so they've only got two in each..that ONTOP of the magnets being too big that they hit the boot rod too hence also why they dont screw down fully. albeit no problems..huge bass and quick stopping included.

what you can also do is get a 1/4 inch ratchet and get a short phillips bit like the ones you can get from the screwdrives with interchangable tips and the get a socket to fit from memory its about 6mm or there abouts and tape it to the socket so it doesnt fall out and use that. or you can just by the blue point thing that does it not sure how much though

Hammered the lips back on the parcel shelf today and speakers ALMOST fit. Mow they rest on the boot rods and the left hand side is the worst one.

Use the stock grills, no point changing them! especially if the new grill isn't completely covered. The reason for this is the old girll is still fine, and if someone looks inside your car they're not going to break in for what seems like a stock set of speakers :) The grills don't make any different to the sound quality - they don't vibrate/reverberate... (I'm sure someone will argue that point).

In terms of actually fitting the speaker, I had the same problem, this week actually! I managed to get them in, kind of, with new scews, but I use them as a subwoofer output from a pioneer H/U, which is actually quite a bit of bass through the 6x9's, I'm not interested in a seperate subwoofer as the back speakers are ample - and you don't want tweaters in your parcel shelf... The bass from the speakers is significantly more and deeper this way then the default setup. Actually you can very easily get the whole parcel shelf reverberating, which is annoying.

So, this comes down to a spacer I plan to make... don't laugh, its simple but should work quite well! its basically just cardboard box! its not going to get wet :S so it should be ok. Just cut them out so the speaker fits in the carboard, plus a little bit extra, and make say two (or three) layers of it, depending on whether it will actually fit under the grill - two will at least without it being too close!. Then, using longer screws, just screw it back in through the cardboard. I'm planning to use a good sturdy packing box for mine.

Why use cardboard? well, because it should works, very easily to work with! if you stuff it up there's not much time or money lost, its adjustable (by how many layers you use), and it should absorb some vibration between the speaker and the parcel shelf, something that you don't want.

I had the same problem with my Pioneer 6x9's. My solution was to use 10mm nuts under each corner of the speaker. They are low enough to keep the stock grilles but high enough to lift the speaker out of the hole so it fits (keep in mind you will probably have to cut out the bracing on the back of the grilles anyway so the tweeters fit!). All 4 screws fit and they are rock solid!

You still want an airtight seal between the boot and the cabin (so you get good speaker compression), which is why I suggested cardboard. It also shapes a little to the contours of the speakers and parcel shelf (very little shaping but would still be perfectly effective in sealing. May make the sound less harsh using cardboard instead of metal.

cant believe your having troubles with the speakers sitting flush with the parcel shelf. i've got focal 6x9s and they sat perfectly same screw holes as standard and the magnets didnt hit the boot springs either

yeah it seems weird to have so much trouble, are you sure they're not 7x10's?

Just depends on the size of the back of the 6x9's, some are larger than others. The ones that go down to lower frequencies would probably have a bigger back to them, many 6x9's only go down to 40hz (or even higher, 55+hz) whereas others go down to 25hz or even less.

If you H/U is an ok one, it can output 20hz to the speakers, and if your speakers support such low frequencies it can cause the parcel shelf to vibrate quite easily at medium volume.

22Hz-32KHz rating.

yeah it seems weird to have so much trouble, are you sure they're not 7x10's?

cant believe your having troubles with the speakers sitting flush with the parcel shelf. i've got focal 6x9s and they sat perfectly same screw holes as standard and the magnets didnt hit the boot springs either

Every speaker is different in size. Mine is probably more wider from the lip to the magnet than what you guys are running.

Pioneer don't make a 7x10inch atm.

Would love to see a 6x9 play down to 40Hz properly ( with the exception of Vibe's awesome 6x9 horn loaded unit ) it would truely be a first. They have a mid woofer, not a subwoofer :D

The 6x9's do get down lower than 40hz - just they're a bit bigger (quite a bit actually) behind the cone than other 6x9's. If you look around at some subwoofers available, some only go down to 35, even 40hz. Thats pretty crap for a subwoofer, no offence to anyone that has one. A proper subwoofer goes down to the low 20hz range too, any lower than about 20hz is also pointless as humans can't hear it and its just a waste of power. People that think they can hear 15hz for example are actually hearing the vibrations of materials around the subwoofer which may resonate at a different frequency.

The reason for getting a subwoofer that goes down to 22hz even if your 6x9's can is simple, it can do it much louder! If you aren't fussed with ear damaging, headache creating bass then the low frequency 6x9's are good as they do produce those low frequencies at a manageagle volume. If you do have a subwoofer, you can get away with using a 6x9 that doesn't produce so low frequencies but produces a nice balance at other frequencies. Anything about 85db where you're actually hearing it is causing hearing damage, it just depends on exposure time!

The parcel shelf in the Magna's are only really designed to take the stock 6x9's. Thats why MrMitsu (and others) has issues with his 22hz etc speakers fitting in properly.

Thanks heaps for the replies burfadel and others,

Amazing how some learn something new everyday when they have never heard of that issue before. I guess its up to me now how i will fit the 6x9 so they don't sit on the boot rod's. Most likely i will fit a spacer, even if its an angled one.

what if its your sub making the parcel shelf shake??

my 6x9's are running on higher frequencies through my amp instead.

so my question is, anyway to stop the parcel shelf or at least a little...?

I have tested a few "25Hz" 6x9's.

They never play that low.

Had a play around again yesterday, tried to fit a set of spacers but they appear to high and speakers is almost touching window which could cause some vibration if it bounces back off the glass. Also, 6x9 spacers don't seem to fit to well where the hole in the parcel shelf carpet is so i may have to design a spacer thats only about 1cm high that can fit underneath the carpet.

I looked into boot struts hoping Ralliarts have them but no luck, i thought they would as my Ralliart spoiler is quite heavy as it is.

Pioneer don't make a 7x10inch atm.

Would love to see a 6x9 play down to 40Hz properly ( with the exception of Vibe's awesome 6x9 horn loaded unit ) it would truely be a first. They have a mid woofer, not a subwoofer :D
How much are these Vibe 6x9's?

And are these the blackDeath series your talking about? The rectangle 6x9's.

How much are these Vibe 6x9's?

And are these the blackDeath series your talking about? The rectangle 6x9's.


$349AUD

Taken from Fhrx Studio's (god bless Marty's cotton socks)

Anyone got any other ideas?

Depens on how much of a problem you have. Cardboard works, but only a single layer. If you really need more space, use spacers, get some car speaker grills from the wreckers (since you don't want to damage yours), and cut them out to fit the new 16x9 speaker grills. Glue the new speaker grills on to the car grills. A better way is with some thing rubber sheeting, cut it out in a shape that fits around the hole and so the speaker grill its on it, and glue that to the car grill. Then glue the 16x9 grill to the rubber. This helps the two stick together and look a bit neater if done right. This gives you the room you require to use spacers etc, and saves you seeing the crappy under part of where the car grills normally sit on. It can also look quite neat, as long as the speaker grills look ok!

I saw this passing a car once and kept it in mind, thought it might come in handy one day! I didn't know the person on the car, but the speaker grills did look really good that way!

I should mention the way they did it, it looked like they glued the speaker grill straight to the car grill, and I only realised they cut it as on one of them they cut too wide and you could see the hole out the side of the speaker grills! It looks really good apart from that error! The thin rubber was my addition, as it thought it may make it look neater at the contact point if done right, and since the grill would glue better to the rubber than the car grill (I'd presume), be better for lengevity. The rubber can be wider on the car grill on the inside edge (depending on how the car grill is cut), so that overcomes the slightly less effectiveness of the glue on the grill. Use a clear setting glue! The contact edge of speaker grills can be fairly thin, thats why I would suggest the rubber method.

I should point out you should place the speaker grills on top of the car grills and see what it would look like first. Also if it is hard to fit under the rear window, once cut you can bend the inside edge of the car grill down to give you less height, you should be able to determine if you could do this if it doesn't fit by seeing how much it doesn't fit by!

Okay. I so spent past 2 hours or so working on the car, i decided to cut up the spare tyre lid i had lying around from the VR-X and use that to make spacers. Things seem to be ok at this stage.

Took the foam supports out of parcel shelf that hold the carpet up, don't really need them. making a spacer thats a wide enough width to hide the bare metal underneath the parcel shelf carpet, will just cover the chipboard with old boot carpet i have lying around. If its not thick/high enough i will just cut out another template and make them higher.

I miss the days of my cressida where I ripped out the original parcel shelf and replaced it with 18mm MDF!

OMG - no rattle & bass was astonishing!

Unfortunately the parcel trays in the 3rd gens aren't a flat design.... would take a little bit more ingenuity.

Onky - and the fact its illegal to modify the parcel shelf :P

Its a structural part of the chassis :-/

Onky - and the fact its illegal to modify the parcel shelf :P

Its a structural part of the chassis :-/
Well you wouldn't remove the metal parcel shelf would you, you'd only been changing what sits on top! Thats not a structural change.

Ahk sorry I misread what you wrote lol

All good - bloody monday mornings.

Onky - and the fact its illegal to modify the parcel shelf :P

Its a structural part of the chassis :-/


Well you wouldn't remove the metal parcel shelf would you, you'd only been changing what sits on top! Thats not a structural change.


Ahk sorry I misread what you wrote lol

All good - bloody monday mornings.

Yep, exactly what I meant... Just replaced the cardboardy/papery kinda board with thick MDF and mounted the speakers on that. Metal chassis stayed intact.

I miss the days of my cressida where I ripped out the original parcel shelf and replaced it with 18mm MDF!

OMG - no rattle & bass was astonishing!

Unfortunately the parcel trays in the 3rd gens aren't a flat design.... would take a little bit more ingenuity.

i did the same in mine for a while!

bolt the speakers in from in the boot so they sit under the parcel shelf instead on on it like you have at the moment
just use nuts and bolts to do it
it holds tight and gives a nice tight join between the boot and the cabin giving better sound its how i have mine at moment