The Find
Okay, for those who remember I was blessed with the discovery of a rolled AWD Verada late last year. Manual know's this all to well :D. So, I pilfered the headlights, rotors and calipers. The AWD models got the same spec brakes as the Ralliart Magna. So that's 294mm twin pistons for the front, (up 18mm), and 286mm single piston in the rear, (up 26mm).

The Plan
Put the car in this morning hoping that it's hassle free and can pick it up this arvo. Well, Stage 1 means that there was a hassle which I thought might occur but was worth the risk. After lunch I got a call saying the fronts have been fitted but the rears have hit a snag. I headed out to the wreckers and swiped the rear hub assemblies. They require a bit of work so the car goes back in next week sometime, probably over the long weekend.

The Outcome
So, looking forward to it being completed. In the mean time, oh MY GOSH! I had fun testing them on the way home. Nice firm pedal feel, (which was my main concern), and the stopping power almost feels exponential as you apply the brakes. When you put the foot down, they will stop you hard. I'm still yet to test them for fading and warping but I'll attempt that once the rears are on. A mate said that when they're on, pop over and try throwing him through the windscreen - I reckon I just might be able to do it.

The Comparison
To compare them to the stock brakes, on the way home one night in the wet I broke hard 5 times from 60 and could only lock up the Falken 235/45R17's once. The best way I can describe them is they are spungy at best and leave a lot to be desired when braking hard.

The Summary
A brake upgrade of any type is better than anything stock and if you can find / source these units or the similar spec RPW can provide, then I reckon it's worth it.

The Credits
Revelstone2 and TBuTcher, thanks for your input, comments and advice. You're right, these are an awesome combo. Rav, I will enjoy having these.

Work is being carried out by a mob at Kippa Ring just north of Brisbane. PM me if anyone wants details.

what a find.. did u pray for guidance? stock 3rd gen brakes even with performance pads are gay, im wanting an affordable upgrade but worried about the abs not working.

what a find.. did u pray for guidance?

:D - I'm always praying. Not for worldly things though. I just pray for friends and for a girlfriend :roll:

I reckon you're on the money there. I can't wait to update this thread to Stage 2. And the next two mods I hope should be bought and fitted within the next 4 weeks, God willing.

:D - I'm always praying.. I just pray for ... a girlfriend


hahaha.. i hear you brother! :D

Very Interesting! Might have to add this to my to do list :D

hehe, booya and redav, hahah, yes, haha. anywyz, yes praying=essential part of life ;)
good work tho :)

...I headed out to the wreckers and swiped the rear hub assemblies. ...

So in order to fit the rears, you definitely have to change the rear hub assemblies from stock? Just want clarification. Do you need to change anything else? Are the calipers a straight changeover item also do you know?




The Summary
A brake upgrade of any type is better than anything stock and if you can find / source these units or the similar spec RPW can provide, then I reckon it's worth it.


What sort of cost is involved in this sort of upgrade?

So in order to fit the rears, you definitely have to change the rear hub assemblies from stock? Just want clarification. Do you need to change anything else? Are the calipers a straight changeover item also do you know?

The fronts are a straight swap. The rears we're trying the hubs from the AWD. You have to remember this is from an AWD so it's slightly different. If they're from a Ralliart then you're fine. He tried some machining to achieve the desired result but he wasn't happy with it. I reckon there might be a brake place or two who would fit them and not do it right and leave it at that. This guy's picky and I like that.

Once they're on I'll complete the write up and get details of what was required.


What sort of cost is involved in this sort of upgrade?

The 4 calipers and rotors cost $900 from the wreckers, the rear hubs were $250 and I haven't paid labour yet. I'm expecting over the $500 mark but we'll see. Last work I had done was about $150 under what I was quoted.

Being a larger disc, what does the caliper bolt on to. The caliper has to bolt onto something solid at the back, does it just have a larger body and fit to the existing *frame* (can't think of the right word) behind the disk, where the old caliper bolted to, or did you also get the piece (frame, hub) from the AWD also?

Further to my post before, can you just swap the fronts and leave the stock setup for the back or would this cause problems?????? :confused:

[QUOTE=Redav]:D - I'm always praying. Not for worldly things though. I just pray for friends and for a girlfriend :roll:

"...and lead us not into temptation...."

Being a larger disc, what does the caliper bolt on to. The caliper has to bolt onto something solid at the back, does it just have a larger body and fit to the existing *frame* (can't think of the right word) behind the disk, where the old caliper bolted to, or did you also get the piece (frame, hub) from the AWD also?

Only got the hubs for the rears. Can't answer your first question yet. Once we finish the rears I'll get the details. I thought the same but the fronts isn't a huge increase in size so I imagine this is made easier.

Note: You need 16's at least to fit these. I think even my VR-X wheels look like a tight squeeze.


Further to my post before, can you just swap the fronts and leave the stock setup for the back or would this cause problems?????? :confused:

Yup, that's what the car is like at the moment. Considering the front does most of the work, (65:35), that's a smart way of doing things.


"...and lead us not into temptation...."

Heh heh... it's quite possible to have a girlfriend and not be led into temptation. ;)

So I take it with just the fronts done its not causing any odd problems like weird braking or anything like that and obviously its already an improvement?

Also you mention that the Ralliart rear disks and calipers are a straight swap with no machining required. Is that correct? Do you require the ralliart rear hub assemblies also or can you use the stock ones? Do you know if the ralliart uses the same specs as the awd verada? in terms of disk diameter, thickness etc?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but it sounds all very attractive :)





Heh heh... it's quite possible to have a girlfriend and not be led into temptation. ;)
I hear that LOL :clap:

I will answer all these questions as I have done the brake swap already.
Fronts swap straight over no problem(make sure you get the brake hoses)
Rallairt and AWD fronts the same.
As for rear Ralliart will fir all 2wd magnas
AWD brakes at rear same size as Ralliart but different.
AWD has to allow for drive shafts.
Hand brake set up is also different.
When I got mine done we did a lot of research on the with the help of a Mitsubishi trainer
No problem with any thing like abs or such.
AS has been said watch you head on the windscreen the first time you step on the Brakes
Geoff

Schweeeet!!! :D Thanks revelstone2, I think you have answered everything I was wondering about except 3 things:


1st: you say change hoses...help. Obviously, by this comment the hoses have to be replaced from the caliper back, but how far do the hoses go, do they go all the way per the standard stock hoses or are other bits required to be replaced, i.e. the resevoir or the brake booster etc, anything else? (forgive my ignorance, I am an amatuer)

2nd: Still not sure if you can get away with doing just the fronts and leaving the rears alone per stock setup?

3rd: Are the rear calipers a straight changeover given the different size of the discs?

Thanks.

As far as hoses go you only need the flexible ones that fix to the calliper
Cant change rear callipers un less you change rear discs
You could do the front only if you wanted.
Shhould be some more awd in the wreckers now, maybe a Ralliart or two aswell

Cant change rear callipers un less you change rear discs
What I meant was, DO you have to change the rear calipers IF you change the rear discs? i.e. can you use the stock calipers on larger discs? Are there any special requirements for upgrading calipers on the rear or is it like the fronts? i.e. a straight swap when using ralliart parts?

Shhould be some more awd in the wreckers now, maybe a Ralliart or two aswell
Dunno about anyone else, but I would love to hear the stories behind them if there were :) Sorry if I sound like a ghoul, but I always love hearing about people destroying large assets in idiotic ways LOL :badgrin:

if you do rear brakes it is a straight swap discs callipers and hoses
Front and rear swap on my took less than 2 hours

Thankyou...not much else to say now... LOL :)

Is it possible to just get New/Upgraded Brakes on the front, then move the existing (larger) stock front brakes to the rear?

no, no ,no

Thanks, Rev. If you upgrade the rear rotors you have to do calipers as the rear rotors are ventilated therefore thicker and differing offsets.


So I take it with just the fronts done its not causing any odd problems like weird braking or anything like that and obviously its already an improvement?

Yeah, it's weird. My head gets really close to the windscreen now when braking hard :badgrin:


Also you mention that the Ralliart rear disks and calipers are a straight swap with no machining required. Is that correct? Do you require the ralliart rear hub assemblies also or can you use the stock ones? Do you know if the ralliart uses the same specs as the awd verada? in terms of disk diameter, thickness etc?

Correct, Ralliart front and rears are a direct swap as Rev mentioned. The Ralliart rear hubs would be the same for a similar ABS equiped 3rd gen, (I'd imagine). The AWD uses the same specs as the Ralliart but the rear wheel drive component was accomodated.

Hey, Rev. I know everyone's said that the handbrake setup is different. What is it supposed to be? Is it the handbrake uses the calipers as opposed to the drum brake? I have a sneaking suspision that I'll still be using a drum brake. Couldn't work out how or where the handbrake cable attaches to the rear calipers. Guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Correct, Ralliart front and rears are a direct swap as Rev mentioned. The Ralliart rear hubs would be the same for a similar ABS equiped 3rd gen, (I'd imagine). The AWD uses the same specs as the Ralliart but the rear wheel drive component was accomodated.

Do you happen to know wether the ralliart and the verada AWD use the same rear calipers? Going by whats been said I am assuming they are, but would like clarification if possible?

Thanks.

Yes the rear callipers are the same for ralliart and awd

Sorry if its been said before, but where can i find a brake upgrade for the 2nd gen model?? would the 3rd gen fit??

Dumb question but here goes....anyone know of a wrecker that has at least the front brakes from an AWD or ralliart. Stuffed if I can locate one anywhere in Australia.

Spoke to Mitsubishi and got a price on new calipers only...$550 each!!!!! :shock: I need other options :D

Being a structural change - is "Engineer's Certificate" required?

Being a structural change - is "Engineer's Certificate" required?

For me or Dave's stuff? I'm not sure. I'm going to query my installer when I get the rears fitted, (weekend after next now). I don't imagine so however with the rear hubs being swapped, maybe but we'll see. I'll check with him to see if anything I've done needs something. I'm almost positive there isn't. I haven't done anything extreme anyway. Besides, I think there's a place opposite him who does inspections. In fact, I have a sneaking suspicion he might be able to do it himself.

RPW has brand new packages in stock with new rotors (Slotted), calipers and EBC brake pads all the time. Cheaper than genuine and better qaulity not warped rotor issues.
I did get a price from you on this, but I was looking at a cheaper option if possible. I dont mind using second hand parts. I know EBC are excellent quality and so forth, but probably more than I realistically need. But thanks for the information in any case. :D

Well, it's getting interesting at the moment. Let's just say the rear brakes from a Ralliart are way easier than an AWD. I was aware there could be issues, and there are, but once we sort out a solution, I'll post the findings.

Sorry if its been said before, but where can i find a brake upgrade for the 2nd gen model?? would the 3rd gen fit??


a backward step, 2nd gen brakes are the better, just upgrade the rotors and pads and they would be plenty good enough.

Further to my post before, can you just swap the fronts and leave the stock setup for the back or would this cause problems?????? :confused:

Yes you can swap just the fronts. The NAS cars ran the same twin piston front caliper (only mounting bracket was different) but they used standard 276mm size rotors and standard rear brakes.

:D - I'm always praying. I just pray for friends and for a girlfriend :roll:

But - I'm your friend. :)
As long as YOU pay for the donuts, that is.