Hi guys

seems a lot of posts are about removing the spare..well mine is in the garage.

i was thinking of getting a space saver to chuck in my wagon on long trips. there small, light and with a nice vinyl cover shouldn't look out of place. I know the laws and that it has to be bolted in etc if there.In vic spare not needed but if fitted needs to be RWC and bolted etc. I'll probable make a bracket or something as it cant go in the tire well as its got a second battery and sub fitted.

any way the question is when did magnas start having space savers if at all and were would i get a good one cheap?

many many years ago i went to a place in dandenong and they had a pile of them but i had to measure them up for my use. no ideal if it still exsists or they have them. think it was a pick and go place?

would like a suitable one from a magna if possible?

If any one in melbourne has one let me know, can do a deal with my spare. 15 inch steel with rwc tire.

thanks for your help.

Don't think Magnas ever had them.

Not sure about the legalities of these on a car not originally supplied with them?
Having said that - it's a good idea anyway.

Maybe try a few wreckers - they may have a few of the more modern cars that may have them.

one off a skyline should fit but im not sure if its legal. i have seen them on ebay but im sure you could get one from a wreckers cheaper.

Thanks So far ......i just had a thought! magnas use ford territory wheels! Fords have a space saver! should fit?

As far as legal goes if it's off a ford , sorry officer its my mates. just picked it up for him...lol no legalities.

prefer a magna one if possible.

If fittted to car well i'll have to check that out with RTA.... should be ok.

As long as the track and diameter is similar. Speed rating might be an issue.?

more info much appreciated!

cheers.

magnas never have had space savers. Maybe in the US, but not in AUS

A couple of points:
- Magna from TM to TW was never sold with a space saver wheel.
- Most space savers carry 40 Km/h speed limits, an issue on long trips
- The 380 in SX, VRX, GT and LX with 17 inch wheel option have a 16 inch full size road wheel as a spare, however due to legislation of it not matching the 4 alloy 17 inch alloy wheels 80 Km/h is the max permitted.
- Even if you find it is legal to use a space saver you will have the speed limit and your insurance compnay will try and use it to not pay out, eg you were doing 45 Km/h on a wheel only capable of 40, no payout.
- I was so paranoid about this issue due the amount of freeway / highway driving I do that I purchased the proper 17 inch alloy to replace my factory 16 inch spare steel wheel in the 380.

Awesome points made there s311_bvm. I think for all the hastle your going to go through, either buy another rim to match yours and/or keep your current, or just go with out and take your chances. TBH, ive owned 3 cars in 6 years now and I've never carried my spare at all. Have had rims and std wheels and have done LONG drives and never had a problem.... Touch Wood!

Thanks heaps...............

never had a full flat yet in over 15 years and i have a punture repair kit in the boot, eg glue stuff and a compresser.

Still for peace of mind i would like something and 80k's would be fine.Just as a back up..Even if its for 5-35 k's to get home or a service cetre.

Rang mitsubishi and they just chucked out a load of 380 spares to the tip...WTF! brand new....

waiting on a phone call back to see if any are left.

Any ideal if the 380 will fit mine ,i have 15 inch rims and tyers. as long as it bolts up and is with in an inch or two that's fine by me.

thanks again..heaps....

cheers

touch wood...cuased me a lot of bad luck that word.

ok

got a call back, they have a few. Will 380 or outlander fit.? im not after legality as its only for extreme emergency.An inch or so ether way is fine as long as it clears the std brakes and goes over the bore hole...etc.

any one interested! if they have more than one i'll post it or grab a few if possible.Price:beer:

Thanks

Guess what? Just rang vic roads and the safty department ,also the road worthy department.

Drum rollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllll..........Legal for emergency use to get to a repairer. The tire must be in good nick, fit appropriately and you must head the 80 kph rule. eg a 380 space saver is legal on my 95 magna!

Now all i need to know is will a 380 or mitsu challenger wheel fit?

he he!

thanks.

Wrong. There were some TR/TS model cars with Space Savers. I know this as I once went to the wreckers and stumbled accross one with a space saver and a neat compartment to put like, tools n stuff in. has a mitsu part number, so it must be supplied here...

- Most space savers carry 40 Km/h speed limits, an issue on long trips
All the one's i've seen have an 80km/h limit (Echo, Focus, Clubsport)

Guess what? Just rang vic roads and the safty department ,also the road worthy department.

Drum rollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllll..........Legal for emergency use to get to a repairer. The tire must be in good nick, fit appropriately and you must head the 80 kph rule. eg a 380 space saver is legal on my 95 magna!

Now all i need to know is will a 380 or mitsu challenger wheel fit?

he he!

thanks.

Or an outlander one. You definitely have to heed the speed limit on space saver spare wheels and never put them on the front. If you have a punctured front tyre, replace it with a rear one and then fit the space saver on the rear. I was driving along Main North Road here in Adelaide once heading south towards Grand Junction Road when I spotted a car approaching from behind and weaving all over the road. I slowed down and let him pass and thats when I noticed he had space savers on the front and everytime he braked, the car would vear to the side with more traction. I also remember seeing this guy that worked at DSTO who had a RX8 who had a space saver (those bright yellow ones) on for a month driving to and from work before fitting a proper replacemet.

well i think that most of us here just want a wheel that is space saving! just in case...and would have more common sense than to speed on them.

Good point though as i've seen people speeding and going around corners flat out on them....tools! they are skywalker! lol

- Most space savers carry 40 Km/h speed limits, an issue on long trips
80km/h for 80kms is the limit for most.

I wouldnt mind one if it's reasonable price and it's 16':P

Well thats a lot of walking lol..

If we can stay on track for emergency use only even at 30 kph for 30 km until the real tyer is repaired etc ..

Does the 380 and or mitsu challenger fit. The 380 should be fine but the challenger might be a bit bigger but as ther very thin should fit?

help...before i turn up and make a tool of myself.lol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Mitsubishi_Challenger.JPG

Here's a large picture of a Challenger. It has 6 studs. Won't fit.

Well thats a lot of walking lol..

If we can stay on track for emergency use only even at 30 kph for 30 km until the real tyer is repaired etc ..

Does the 380 and or mitsu challenger fit. The 380 should be fine but the challenger might be a bit bigger but as ther very thin should fit?

help...before i turn up and make a tool of myself.lol

hi i could find out from work and let you know might even be able to pick one up cheap i am in melb and work for mits
cheers liam

thanks heaps to all.

I'll let you know how i go.

Let me know what you can do Liam!

im in emerald vic and have been talking to country dealers. heaps of left overs (space savers) but as the rule goes be in the right place at the right time.

thanks again guys and girls.

Justin

More information for you:
- The 380 spare is NOT a space saver, it is a full size spare, simply not the same as the road wheel.
- The 380 spare is a 16 inch rim fitted with a tyre of 215/60/R16 95H
-Your TR V6, assuming it has the factory wheels has a spare tyre of 205/65/R15 95H
- The rolling diameter of the 380 wheel is 664mm, the TR wheel is 647mm, the 380 wheel will travel 17mm further with each revolution. Or a difference of approximately 3 Km/h at highway speed.
- The Outlander space saver wheel will bolt on however it is fitted with a tyre size of T155/90 D16, this has a diameter of 685mm. This is 38mm greater than the TR wheel for a difference of almost 6 Km/h at freeway speeds
- You could get a TR 4 Cylinder 14, if width is a huge problem as it is a 185/75 R15 89H or 20 mm narrower, however this may only fit on the back hubs and is 4.5 km/h slower at highway speeds
- Given that the standard TR wheel is 10mm thinner than the 380 wheel and you state you have your spare in your garage why not just use that? You will only gain small increases and add all kinds of risks for opting for the Outlander or TR 4 Cyl option.

More information for you:
- The 380 spare is NOT a space saver, it is a full size spare, simply not the same as the road wheel.
- The 380 spare is a 16 inch rim fitted with a tyre of 215/60/R16 95H
-Your TR V6, assuming it has the factory wheels has a spare tyre of 205/65/R15 95H
- The rolling diameter of the 380 wheel is 664mm, the TR wheel is 647mm, the 380 wheel will travel 17mm further with each revolution. Or a difference of approximately 3 Km/h at highway speed.
- The Outlander space saver wheel will bolt on however it is fitted with a tyre size of T155/90 D16, this has a diameter of 685mm. This is 38mm greater than the TR wheel for a difference of almost 6 Km/h at freeway speeds
- You could get a TR 4 Cylinder 14, if width is a huge problem as it is a 185/75 R15 89H or 20 mm narrower, however this may only fit on the back hubs and is 4.5 km/h slower at highway speeds
- Given that the standard TR wheel is 10mm thinner than the 380 wheel and you state you have your spare in your garage why not just use that? You will only gain small increases and add all kinds of risks for opting for the Outlander or TR 4 Cyl option.

Thanks heaps as your really gone out of your way for this one.

Was at Mitsubishi today and yes some 380's had a std small spare while others had a proper space saver. why i don't know?

Any way they had heaps for free from the lancer....remember the new lancer is the same stud and bore as a ts and they run from 15inch to 18 inch factory nowadays with similar tire rim sizes. eg 205/60/16
Any way moving a long it fits fine on the front but haven't tried the back

Its about 2cm smaller overall diameter than std 205/65/15 and as a weight comparison the stock weighs in at 21 kg and the space saver at 11kg. the space saver is 125/70/16

I have the wagon and the wheel well is full, has second battery and a sub install. i have a compressor and glue stuff but as im in the country if i plan on a long trip etc its just nice peace of mind...i;d rather drive at even 40 kmph than walk at 5..lol. the wheel is rated at 80kph. and yes in vic is legal.

My normal spare is simply to big and heavy for me to lift in and out of the wagon as i have a back injury.

Hopefully i wont ever need it!

Next is to make up a bracket for it!

thanks for all your input.

here are some pic's

Yer it fits the back!

Here's a pic.

looks funny as! track is about the same but doesn't look it.

little bit lower so i'll go for a drive around the block tomorrow to see how she handles.

I know there for limited use but i grabbed two!

So what do you think?

I am glad you got what you want but am about to get very negative, I apologise now for this now.

Yes I was aware that the Lance space saver will fit your TS however I did not suggest it as it is a T125/70 D16.
- The T125/70 D16 has a rolling diameter of 581mm compared to the 647mm diameter of your stock wheels, a difference of 66mm or almost 12 Km/h at highway speeds.
-The other issue is that the Lancer ES has a load rating of 92 however your magna tire placard states a load rating of 95 for your road tires, I do believe you could get in trouble if VicRoads / RTA / Police find you with this on the road. Check the load rating on the side wall of the space saver.
-I did intend to warn of the load rating issue in my previous email but I think quicker than I type, sorry.

If you must use these wheels please only use them on the back, I personally would never take this risk.

In reference to the 380 and space savers, I believe who ever told you that is lying as I have been around a number of 380s and have never seen space saver. Also when the 380 was first promoted it was a sales feature that the 380 was re-engineered over the US Galant so that Aussie buyers would never receive a space saver.

Bugger, was going to say for epic burnouts stick em on the front.
The diamante at the wreckers we saw today had FOUR space savers ALL from japan, work that out!!

I am glad you got what you want but am about to get very negative, I apologise now for this now.

Yes I was aware that the Lance space saver will fit your TS however I did not suggest it as it is a T125/70 D16.
- The T125/70 D16 has a rolling diameter of 581mm compared to the 647mm diameter of your stock wheels, a difference of 66mm or almost 12 Km/h at highway speeds.
-The other issue is that the Lancer ES has a load rating of 92 however your magna tire placard states a load rating of 95 for your road tires, I do believe you could get in trouble if VicRoads / RTA / Police find you with this on the road. Check the load rating on the side wall of the space saver.
-I did intend to warn of the load rating issue in my previous email but I think quicker than I type, sorry.

If you must use these wheels please only use them on the back, I personally would never take this risk.

In reference to the 380 and space savers, I believe who ever told you that is lying as I have been around a number of 380s and have never seen space saver. Also when the 380 was first promoted it was a sales feature that the 380 was re-engineered over the US Galant so that Aussie buyers would never receive a space saver.

thanks for the update as i never thought about load rating.

The tire states 96m and max weight of 750kg.

don't know what 96m means but 750kg should be right? its only for an emergency at low speed.

That is a surprise, 96 being greater than your tyre placard of 95 indicates that the load should be fine.

M is the speed category, H on your stock tyres = 210 Km/h, M on the space saver = 130 Km/h.

I still think that the size difference and induced speed difference is of great concern and on this alone I would not use it.

Your original post indicates that this spare is only for long trips. As an alternative I notice your have a towbar. Can someone fabricate for you a bracket similar to a bike carrier to hold the original spare vertically on your towbar?

This wheel carrier idea would need something like a heavy duty gate hinge to enable it to be swung down to enable the tale gate to be opened and to make your lift height almost zero when removing the wheel. You would need a bike carrier number plate, from memory your can get these from VicRoads for $22. If using this at night it will need to be lit but this could connect to your existing socket.

didnt realise i was on page 1 while convo was on page three!

That is a surprise, 96 being greater than your tyre placard of 95 indicates that the load should be fine.

M is the speed category, H on your stock tyres = 210 Km/h, M on the space saver = 130 Km/h.

I still think that the size difference and induced speed difference is of great concern and on this alone I would not use it.

Your original post indicates that this spare is only for long trips. As an alternative I notice your have a towbar. Can someone fabricate for you a bracket similar to a bike carrier to hold the original spare vertically on your towbar?

This wheel carrier idea would need something like a heavy duty gate hinge to enable it to be swung down to enable the tale gate to be opened and to make your lift height almost zero when removing the wheel. You would need a bike carrier number plate, from memory your can get these from VicRoads for $22. If using this at night it will need to be lit but this could connect to your existing socket.

Well there you go! it works. full stop

Im only having it in the car in trips to the country....20 percent of the time. Max 80K distance for a servo.
I will bolt it to the floor and yes i know how to do that.! Check the Photos and that's were im going to have a bolt place?. It will be a self thread bolt.....stay tuned

thanks for the info but the load and speed is fine. If i have to use it it will be at a slow speed to home or a servo and never had a blow out or a flat yet in 15 years.....i have a compressor in the car also.

yes i have a tow bar and that is for my trailer not a spare tire holder no pun intended, but a good ideal/!
My ideal of a long trip is 150 k's lol...........but im in the bush.

Thanks heaps


you have been very helpful and thank you for that.

im sure the next update you'll have a comment and thats what this forum is about.

- The rolling diameter of the 380 wheel is 664mm, the TR wheel is 647mm, the 380 wheel will travel 17mm further with each revolution.

In that case the the 380 wheel should catch up to the front wheel in next to no time.... ha ha ha
Sorry, I had to get that one in. lol

LOl.....................lol............lol thats a pissaaaaaaaaaaaaa i cryed! so funney