View Full Version : how do i get rid of swirls in the paint?
TJ Sports
17-05-2009, 10:29 AM
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lowrider
17-05-2009, 10:38 AM
use a softer polish, usally in liquid form rather than paste, harsher polishes and cutters, are used to remove stratches, then you use a really soft polish to get rid of the swirls, make sure the cloth is perfectly clean, any dirt in it will also cause swirls,
[TUFFTR]
17-05-2009, 10:45 AM
That scratch remover you used is good for removing swirls but you should polish it after that to bring up the paint a bit more, then wax over the top to protect it all
Waxing wont cover swirls, mainly used as a protectant
(correct me if im wrong havent done detailing in a while lol)
lowrider
17-05-2009, 10:49 AM
;1046416']That scratch remover you used is good for removing swirls but you should polish it after that to bring up the paint a bit more, then wax over the top to protect it all
Waxing wont cover swirls, mainly used as a protectant
(correct me if im wrong havent done detailing in a while lol)
i was under the impression that scratch removers were harsher, hence to remove scratches, side effect of having a harsher polish is swirl marks.
normal polish is to bring back the shine, and remove imperfections such as water marks, and swirls.
i only use scratch removers/cutters, over the scratch, not to go over the whole car with.
thats what polish is for
Mrmacomouto
17-05-2009, 11:11 AM
Scratch-X from meguires and a cheap orbital buffer. (could also finish up with swirl-x or colour-x, never needed to)
Might take two good hits to get rid of everything, the first time I used a whole tube on my car.
[TUFFTR]
17-05-2009, 11:17 AM
i was under the impression that scratch removers were harsher, hence to remove scratches, side effect of having a harsher polish is swirl marks.
normal polish is to bring back the shine, and remove imperfections such as water marks, and swirls.
i only use scratch removers/cutters, over the scratch, not to go over the whole car with.
thats what polish is for
Nah polish wont put swirl marks in.
Finer polish will then cover up a few more swirls aswell.
I usually start with a heavy polish, with alot of cut to take all the deep ones out, then a finer cut polish to cover some of the finer swirls, and I do as many passes of each until I'm happy with the paintwork, only then will I move onto another panel
Water marks Do not come out. once they are in the paint they are there.
you do use cutters to go over the whole car. or else your gonna have patches of untouched paint all over the car.
different for you since your paint is new though
lowrider
17-05-2009, 11:41 AM
;1046432']Nah polish wont put swirl marks in.
Finer polish will then cover up a few more swirls aswell.
I usually start with a heavy polish, with alot of cut to take all the deep ones out, then a finer cut polish to cover some of the finer swirls, and I do as many passes of each until I'm happy with the paintwork, only then will I move onto another panel
Water marks Do not come out. once they are in the paint they are there.
you do use cutters to go over the whole car. or else your gonna have patches of untouched paint all over the car.
different for you since your paint is new though
yeah polish wont leave swirls, but a cut/scratch remover will
when i mean water marks, i was refering to, were water has spilt on the paint and dried, leaving rings, i usally get rid of them with a soft polish, rather than washing the whole car, and drying it.
you seriously go over the whole car in a cutter???
wow! well mabey my idea of a cutter is differnt to what your idea of a cutter is.
mine, will get out scratches, but leaves dull patches, and swirls, as its too abrasive, then i go over it with a polish, then if im still not happy ill go over with a softer shine/n wax polish.
basically, TJ sports should go over his car again in a polish, and not a scratch remover.
dainese
17-05-2009, 09:43 PM
yeah polish wont leave swirls, but a cut/scratch remover will
when i mean water marks, i was refering to, were water has spilt on the paint and dried, leaving rings, i usally get rid of them with a soft polish, rather than washing the whole car, and drying it.
you seriously go over the whole car in a cutter???
wow! well mabey my idea of a cutter is differnt to what your idea of a cutter is.
mine, will get out scratches, but leaves dull patches, and swirls, as its too abrasive, then i go over it with a polish, then if im still not happy ill go over with a softer shine/n wax polish.
basically, TJ sports should go over his car again in a polish, and not a scratch remover.
swirl marks are almost inevitable.
happen over time with washing and wear etc.
rough polishers smooth paint by 'evening' out surfcace.
scratch x from meguiars is a 'deminishing' abrasive. the abrasive particles actually 'wear' away as you rub it in.
i have done a few spot repairs and its quite good.
i wanted to do whole car, but haven't had the time.
http://www.meguiars.com/video/index.cfm?playURL=rtmp://meguiars.flashsvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/meguiars_vitalstream_com/_definst_/RM_SX.flv&VideoName=How%20to%20remove%20fine%20scratches%20o n%20paint
http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2409
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13318
Munky
18-05-2009, 12:18 AM
Scratch X is good stuff...in fact the whole Megs range is great.
I use the 3 step system (being a paint cleaner, then polish, then wax) and only needs doing every 12 months, but I will apply a wax every 3 to "top-up" the shine.
Use Scratch X to eliminate swirls, and proceed to polish and wax. Use a cleaner if you can before Scratch X...it basically removes paint contaminants and old wax allowing you to polish the paint.
Good luck :)
Jonts
18-05-2009, 12:39 PM
Scratch-X from meguires and a cheap orbital buffer. (could also finish up with swirl-x or colour-x, never needed to)
Might take two good hits to get rid of everything, the first time I used a whole tube on my car.
Mate of mine and myself did the same on his Legnum straight out of Jap land to get rid of ****e all over the car from swirls to scratches etc and came up a treat. Just take your time and follow the instructions..
Also told a good clay bar routine will sort that out. The black car I seen that had this treatment looked like a mirror.
GL
spider-ken
18-05-2009, 04:05 PM
Cutting compounds are totally different to polishes.
Cutting compounds are actually like super super super fine sand paper that takes less than a micron of paint off the car. They remove scratches by literally cutting below the level of the scratch.
Polishes are different in that they put a layer of polish over the top of the paint work to protect it.
You should always polish the car after using a cutting compound on it. Also, dont go beserk with the cutting compound too often as you will eventually cut through to primer (easily done with an orbital buff and too much enthusiasm). Especially on any edges.
gtrtwinturbo
19-05-2009, 02:50 PM
also try using a damp sponge when polishing creates a better result but keep the polish up otherwise u will end up with swirls in the polish. easily removed with a bit more polish and some more arm work, better to work in circles too, don't do polish the car while its wet ie just after a wash or when the paint is hot or u will end up with a bad result.
auspest
19-05-2009, 03:04 PM
Swirl marks are scratches, removing them also removes paint. The harder you rub the more paint comes off, the more often you do it the more paint comes off. So if you only intend to keep the car for a couple of years then go for it and let the next owner suffer when the paint is so thin it shows through.
All i do is Claybar once a year, paint cleanse once a year and wax every 2 months. My 380 had swirls and small scratches in paint when it was purchased but wifes new car is 12 months old and looks fantastic.
Also dont use a sponge, dirt gets caught and will scratch. Mirco fibre with a 2 bucket system(one with suds one to rinnse before it goes back in suds.
Also i use Bowdens Own product
dainese
19-05-2009, 03:28 PM
also try using a damp sponge when polishing creates a better result but keep the polish up otherwise u will end up with swirls in the polish. easily removed with a bit more polish and some more arm work, better to work in circles too, don't do polish the car while its wet ie just after a wash or when the paint is hot or u will end up with a bad result.
wet?
no way...
are you sure?
Ange71
19-05-2009, 03:50 PM
All polishing is removing material. Whether metal or paint. When buffing say a new acrylic paint job for eg you would use a co****r cutting compound then finish with a fine one then hand polish. 3M has always made good stuff for this purpose. On 2pak paints, i use a Spies Hecker polishing compound even when available Glasurit products.
With the Mitsi paints, more so COB's or Clear over base, you DO NOT want to ever use a co**** buffing compound as the Clear coat is fairly thin and easy to cut through.
EDIT just realised the software had censored the word co****...lol.
Supra_t
19-05-2009, 04:20 PM
Cutting compounds are totally different to polishes.
Cutting compounds are actually like super super super fine sand paper that takes less than a micron of paint off the car. They remove scratches by literally cutting below the level of the scratch.
Polishes are different in that they put a layer of polish over the top of the paint work to protect it.
You should always polish the car after using a cutting compound on it. Also, dont go beserk with the cutting compound too often as you will eventually cut through to primer (easily done with an orbital buff and too much enthusiasm). Especially on any edges.
Sounds like your confusing polish with wax there
spider-ken
21-05-2009, 03:08 PM
Sounds like your confusing polish with wax there
yeah that. my bad.
robssei
27-05-2009, 04:59 AM
i did the same as the OP. I used CRC paint conditioner folowed by the wax and it came up awesome. took all the swirls out. its a liquid polish.
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