Hi there,

This is my first time post here.

I have an 07 Series 2 VRX 380....great car and i love it.

I have one issue with it which i wonder if other owners think also is that my view is that the rear indicator lights are hard to see from behind in broad daylight.

I have had both friends following me in their vehicles as well as other drivers who have commented on this also.

As the indicator lens is clear and both quite small/slim and is located in a vertical position on the very corner and not really face on so to speak.....

I think it almost to the point of dangerous...does anyone else feel the same....I have had drivers toot me as when i make a turn they only see it when get quite close so have to stop/slow suddenly.

Its only a problem in the daylight...at night its fine.

Is there anyway to improve it?? Could I put a stronger globe in?? would it be interchangebale with a series 3....i doubt as the series 2 is all intergrated?

any thoughts appreciated.

Cheers

Tom

Hello,

I have never noticed it, depending on how strongly you feel about this issue, you could change to the Series III tale lights and also change the wing to the Series III VRX wing, or the more subtle lip spoiler as placed on the 380 Series II Platinum pack cars.

You will defiantly require the assistance of panel shop with the wing change.

You could recoup some of your costs as your tail lights are sought after.

VR-X Wing
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb7/s311_bvm/backsmall-1.jpg

380 Series II Platinum Edition Wing
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb7/s311_bvm/platinumwing.jpg

I have noticed the exact same thing when behind a 380, very hard to notice the indicators on the upper models. On the lower models it's not a problem.

+1 to being hard to see in the VRX

they do look SOOOO good tho - so i can deal with it.

IMO - current model Subi Impreza Hatches are VERY hard to see the indicators - esp when the driver is on the brakes as well - its just LED and reddish orange and you cant see the flash.

IMO - the subi ones are worse than the 380VRX ones for sure

You could swap the reverse and indicator positions, dont know why they didnt make them that way in the first place.




Probably them silly ADR's

You could swap the reverse and indicator positions, dont know why they didnt make them that way in the first place.




Probably them silly ADR's

I removed my rears to see if this is possible

unfortunately they cannot be swapped the harnesses for the globes are two different sizes so apart from rewiring it can not be done :rant:

There are other vehicles out there the same too! Ridiculous really that a manufacturer in this day and age would 1:make them knowing they are hard to see and 2: be allowed to get away with it!:wtf:

You could put your hand out and do hand signals.....:) :)

You could put your hand out and do hand signals.....:) :)

Yeah, already use hand signals of sorts!:upyours:is a favorite :woot:

Yeah, already use hand signals of sorts!:upyours:is a favorite :woot:


GOLD

I like those hand signals too

Hi there,

This is my first time post here.

I have an 07 Series 2 VRX 380....great car and i love it.

I have one issue with it which i wonder if other owners think also is that my view is that the rear indicator lights are hard to see from behind in broad daylight.

I have had both friends following me in their vehicles as well as other drivers who have commented on this also.

As the indicator lens is clear and both quite small/slim and is located in a vertical position on the very corner and not really face on so to speak.....

I think it almost to the point of dangerous...does anyone else feel the same....I have had drivers toot me as when i make a turn they only see it when get quite close so have to stop/slow suddenly.

Its only a problem in the daylight...at night its fine.

Is there anyway to improve it?? Could I put a stronger globe in?? would it be interchangebale with a series 3....i doubt as the series 2 is all intergrated?

any thoughts appreciated.

Cheers

Tom

My guess is that you can't put significantly brighter globes in there, but not sure.
I have noticed that heaps (the weaker indicators), whenever I see a VRX/GT. I do like the tail light assembly, but the indicator section is too large for a single globe. You will definately be OK with the base model assembly... but you need to change your full length boot lid spoiler for the curved-ended one. Hey... I have one of those!

you should see the size of globe in there Grubco it could be used as a globe in your house its huge

you should see the size of globe in there Grubco it could be used as a globe in your house its huge

Only other thing I can think of, is perhaps being on the edge/corner of the car, the indicator gets sunlight filling its cavity/shape, which drowns out the actual light when it goes off. Not sure though, would have to see one up close.
I considered upgrading to these lights, but prices for brand new are too expensive.

simple fix rewire swap the reverse lights to the indicator and vice versa. prob need to cut and solder the wires though. but thats what id do.

:stoopid:

Although it'd feel wrong cutting into a new car's loom It's what I'd do aswell. I have noticed this problem aswell and HATE those taillights.

I wouldn't worry what happens behind me as the law says it's their problem.

(though many men in heaven are screaming they had the right of way...LOL)

I wouldn't worry what happens behind me as the law says it's their problem.

(though many men in heaven are screaming they had the right of way...LOL)

True, But better to be safe then sorry.

I am thinking of doing LED amber strips in place of the bulbs

Might learn a bit about auto electrics and flasher units first
or I might swap them round in a fit of madness

we shall see

Now we are getting ricey!!:rofleek:

LOL I was going for BMW kind of look

I am only going to do it once so it is going to take awhile til I plan the look

Yeah I like that look. I have seen Lancers and other small cars with converted tail light assemblies (part LED, part Altezza). Good luck with that.

The headlights fitted to some new Audi's look trick! Not like BM's angel eyes and I think they stay on always?

I actually like the bright white led strips on the newer audis under the headlights. I was looking to see if I could do something similar to the 380 but have put it in the too hard basket for now.
Yes I know it would be ricey too lol

Matey thats on the list too

How come Lancers can have that angel-eyes thing, and 380s cannot? I saw a Lancer (Evo9 equivelant I think) on the weekend with this mod.
As for the Audi LED line, that would require need head light assembly I reckon.

How come Lancers can have that angel-eyes thing, and 380s cannot? I saw a Lancer (Evo9 equivelant I think) on the weekend with this mod.
As for the Audi LED line, that would require need head light assembly I reckon.

You could run the LED between the bar and light assembly

I actually like the bright white led strips on the newer audis under the headlights. I was looking to see if I could do something similar to the 380 but have put it in the too hard basket for now.
Yes I know it would be ricey too lol
I saw today a current-model Lancer with these exact LED headlight strips. Unfortunately it was dark, 5.30am, and the car passed me on the other side - so I didn't get a good look at it. I assume these strips cannot be fitted inside the headlight assemblies as they are supposed to sealed (so on the outside then???). But if the mod can be done somehow, you could possibly do this to your 380.

Ok doing some TROLLING on Ebay

was looking at the Ralliart galant and the rear lighting assembly

http://www.iranecar.com/res/wallpaper/1500/p800x600_1548.jpg




You notice something different ????

Oh while I was TROLLING I also got me some Brighter Xenon Brake LIGHT BULBS from Phillips and just thinking about brighter blinkers

Ok doing some TROLLING on Ebay

was looking at the Ralliart galant and the rear lighting assembly

http://www.iranecar.com/res/wallpaper/1500/p800x600_1548.jpg




You notice something different ????




but will it fit ours.....i think i see what they have done.....swapped the reflector for the blinkers where we have them,and made the reflector bit on ours into the reverse light.and put the blinkers into where we have our reverse lights....looks better..and should have been done like that originally...

Only thing is the globe wiring but surely that would be the same

and I cant find any on EBAY right now


http://www.rchillmitsubishi.com/parts/order-form.htm

150 each + delivery

simple fix rewire swap the reverse lights to the indicator and vice versa. prob need to cut and solder the wires though. but thats what id do.

Well its not as simple as it seems.....pulled mine apart last night,and sure,cut and swap the wires,but the real problem is that the globes(at least in mine)are such a bullshitty design.

In order to swap the indicators with the reverse lights,you need to change the bulbs as well,and here is the root of the problem

The indicators run a b15au something,which means the pins are offset,and you cant get them in clear....

Problem two is the reverse light is a t10/15 and you cant get it in amber/yellow....

so unless the other model taillights run a different globe..then this looks like a non goer,or i might see what the other tails run,and see if i can rig up using the brake/parker plug to get reverse light,but i still have the problem of indicators....may have to look around for a plug that will fit in the hole and run a different globe.....

I also replaced my brake lights with a set of led globes and i now have a centre boot "parker and brake light."

weird........

yeah I looked into that as well now I will just have to wait for some galant ones on Ebay and go from there I suppose

ha............success...........no cutting...no soldering etc....so ..im thinking,the answer to the problem lies in swapping the wires...solution...swap the wires at the plug....


yes...take the whole tail light out and disconnect the loom...:roflwtf:

Now the hardish bit...removing the wire from the plug.

In the end i used a bobby pin from my daughter,and all you do is slide the pin in the plug from behind and some how lift/depress the plastic lug that the crimp sits on...and pull the wire out...once you see it ,you will know what i mean.

so once you get the wires out...bitch of a job..but..got there..:hmm:

swap them around,for reference the brown is the reverse and the indicator is green/yellow,but its pretty damm obvious when you look at it.

Next step is to get some nail polish remover or any solvent and clean the dye off the indicator lense,

and ba boom..clear reverse lights.....:woot:

The indicators are still a touch iffy atm ,and i have put orange sleeve (condom thingo) on them...works all right ,but the sleeve isnt quite long enough and some white light shines out at the rear,might cut another one in half a slide it all the way down,damm,why didnt i think of that while i was doing it....lol...Oh well,a job for the morning then...

but im just waiting for these BEAUTIES (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200418668907&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT) to arrive......:facejump:

Pics or ban!!!

this is going to be done by all of us so pics would be great plus I work from seeing things rather than writing

(I is done)

i cant complaint about this as my tailights are tinted. evan then tho you can see them in broad daylight from 50 meters away. (makeing them legal)

Pics or ban!!!

this is going to be done by all of us so pics would be great plus I work from seeing things rather than writing

(I is done)

gee sorry mate...phone was flat...so no pictures...was getting on dusk.....mmm..what other excuses can i find...lol...

Seeing as i have to put more condoms on the globes and to change the globe ,you have to take the tailight off any way....:nuts: so i was going to take picture's any way when i had a bit more time.....

had a look at the lcd replacement bulbs? they seem to be brighter. can pick them up from autobarn

had a look at the lcd replacement bulbs? they seem to be brighter. can pick them up from autobarn

wtf.............led you mean....very subjective,and very hard imo to find a led that actually "fills" the lense the way a normal globe does and is as bright......also...i havent been able to find a t15 in amber/orange and one that is rated at 21 watts.....

wtf.............led you mean....very subjective,and very hard imo to find a led that actually "fills" the lense the way a normal globe does and is as bright......also...i havent been able to find a t15 in amber/orange and one that is rated at 21 watts.....


He wants us 380 owners to put TV screen in were the indicators are Maggie :roflwtf:

this aint pimp my ride this is the 380 area we dont know rice (well apart from me ricest GT)

LEDs are not even close to as bright for what we need them for Matt

The indicator globe is as big as a globe you would put in a desktop lamp its is BIG

where did you get the condoms from Maggie??

Orange condoms...

The new 380 mod.

:hmm:

Orange condoms...

The new 380 mod.

:hmm:

lol...............just till my led's rock up,and if they dont work will look at adapting/changing the plug,

and the colored sleeves are available at any good auto store...there are the Narva brand and come in various colors and sizes........just like a good range of condoms...............:facejump::facejump:

I put some LED's as tail lights in my subi and they were useless. They were dim compared to the incandescents. I will be interested to see a comparison between the two.

Well i got some new Xenon filled Phillips Brake light globes from the UK thats my job for this morning

remember, those "dim" indicators have been ADR approved, legally you cannot go brighter or dimmer,replacements must be the same light output.If you are involved in a prang the other parties insurance co can prove the lights arent legal then you are at fault AND in an expensive mess.IF you do buy replacements get in writing from the retailer (or box) that they do meet ADRs. This will cover you in a legal sense.Also, in SA you need to confirm with the sales person at point of sale that you only want the goods if they are legal and approved, this will give you some recourse if you do get in trouble, as the retailer cannot misrepresent the goods for sale.....

Seems stupid you cant go brighter ! these globes also light up quicker

when you have been hit twice in the arse in 3 weeks well I am going to do what I can to stop it from happening cause I dont want to be hit in the ARSE a 3rd time

If my insurance company had a counter claim that my BRAKE light GLOBES were the cause of the accident when someone runs into the back of me do you REALLY think they will investigate me and my brake lights considering?

And BTW HOW many people know the ADR on indicators

I worked as a insurance claim manager and well we never had a course on ADRs EVER

Someone runs into the back of you, the offenders insurance company pays out, why?? clear cut case. Their insured ####ed up! simply they hit you in the ARSE

we could determine who was at fault 99.9999999% of the time and guess what it was all due to driver error OMG did not matter if it had a POD filter and 20 inch rims and a huge stereo and 5%tint it was the driver nothing else that

So stop the scaremongering

Every thread has someone say this or that about insurance FFS

New brake globes are in

alot brighter and cleaner light as well

Seems stupid you cant go brighter ! these globes also light up quicker

when you have been hit twice in the arse in 3 weeks well I am going to do what I can to stop it from happening cause I dont want to be hit in the ARSE a 3rd time

If my insurance company had a counter claim that my BRAKE light GLOBES were the cause of the accident when someone runs into the back of me do you REALLY think they will investigate me and my brake lights considering?

And BTW HOW many people know the ADR on indicators

I worked as a insurance claim manager and well we never had a course on ADRs EVER

Someone runs into the back of you, the offenders insurance company pays out, why?? clear cut case. Their insured ####ed up! simply they hit you in the ARSE

we could determine who was at fault 99.9999999% of the time and guess what it was all due to driver error OMG did not matter if it had a POD filter and 20 inch rims and a huge stereo and 5%tint it was the driver nothing else that

So stop the scaremongering

Every thread has someone say this or that about insurance FFS

Youre right, those fandangled globes that light up a quarter of a fraction of a second quicker really make no differance to yours or my daily motoring experience.So forget that if your vehicle has been altered in any way you can be left in the cold by your insurance company.I wouldnt want to scaremonger. All you need is a grumpy copper to go over your vehicle and defect it for something minor, send you to the pits , then youre stuffed.No one NEEDS to know ADRs because your car manufacturer has to take them into account before they make or sell a vehicle in this country.This obsession with changing every single aspect of a vehicle (as much pleasure that gives to us car owners) can at times be ridiculous.If special super deluxe globes were so good why doesnt EVERY vehicle have them standard from the factory?
Its like all those excell owners who drive in broad daylight with their rear foggies on, brighter is not better, it dazzles other drivers which is in itself a HAZARD, thats why its ILLEGAL(when theres no fog), thats why ADRs state a MAXIMUM light wattage or output.

Whatever

Seriously

HEARD OF COST

my globes look to light up the same brightness as the Aurion LED brake lights oh and the have the same WATTAGE as STANDARD GLOBES just filled with a different gas OH NO !!!!

I am not obsessed with changing every facet of my vehicle. I am sick of not having my vehicle cause I have being hit in the ARSE twice in 3 weeks when it is dry and I am being stationery at a stop sign or red LIGHT FFS

I worked claims for one of AUSTRALIA largest insurers seriously you think I dont know the ins and outs of claims with that company who I still insure with???

While yes you have some validity in you post most of the 380 owners are NOT new to motoring so you do not need to lecture us

As for excel drivers. Is there such a thing maybe steerers but not drivers

So you can go back to your perfect Honda and leave us alone to get our claims rejected for our non standard brake light globes

THANK YOU and MERRY Christmas

Merry Christmas all. Peace to all men, including forum users.

Whatever

Seriously

HEARD OF COST

my globes look to light up the same brightness as the Aurion LED brake lights oh and the have the same WATTAGE as STANDARD GLOBES just filled with a different gas OH NO !!!!

I am not obsessed with changing every facet of my vehicle. I am sick of not having my vehicle cause I have being hit in the ARSE twice in 3 weeks when it is dry and I am being stationery at a stop sign or red LIGHT FFS

I worked claims for one of AUSTRALIA largest insurers seriously you think I dont know the ins and outs of claims with that company who I still insure with???

While yes you have some validity in you post most of the 380 owners are NOT new to motoring so you do not need to lecture us

As for excel drivers. Is there such a thing maybe steerers but not drivers

So you can go back to your perfect Honda and leave us alone to get our claims rejected for our non standard brake light globes

THANK YOU and MERRY Christmas

enjoy your christmas mecha-wombat :-p

Youre right, those fandangled globes that light up a quarter of a fraction of a second quicker really make no differance to yours or my daily motoring experience.So forget that if your vehicle has been altered in any way you can be left in the cold by your insurance company.I wouldnt want to scaremonger. All you need is a grumpy copper to go over your vehicle and defect it for something minor, send you to the pits , then youre stuffed.No one NEEDS to know ADRs because your car manufacturer has to take them into account before they make or sell a vehicle in this country.This obsession with changing every single aspect of a vehicle (as much pleasure that gives to us car owners) can at times be ridiculous.If special super deluxe globes were so good why doesnt EVERY vehicle have them standard from the factory?
Its like all those excell owners who drive in broad daylight with their rear foggies on, brighter is not better, it dazzles other drivers which is in itself a HAZARD, thats why its ILLEGAL(when theres no fog), thats why ADRs state a MAXIMUM light wattage or output.

I hate those bl00dy excel fog lights too, also those people who drive with their front fog lights on (yes you will be booked in NSW for that!! Same offence as driving with high beam on). The brake lights mecha is talking about are, from his commentary, the same wattage as standard. Again you're seriously disturbed if you think any cop is going to defect you for this, unless you have been driving like a total idiot on the road and then you deserve it!! and how are they to know that they are not standard eh? It is hard enough to keep up with what car has what and all the different headlights etc. And why dont cars come out with these super dooper bits and pieces? (I can't believe I am answering this as it should be rhetorical me thinks but here goes...) cost $$$ money, the bottom line, keeping things cheaper, under cutting the opposition etc. That is why the 380 ECU didnt get remapped for aussie conditions after all. Most of the things we have been angling towards on this 380 part of the forum are in regard to efficiency and safety ( with a bit of bling on the side). I would love to see someone try and argue in court that "his stop lights were too bright so I ran up his rear end" lol you would be:uzi:
PS I hope you all had a Merry Christmas and have a safe and happy New Year!

WHY dont all new cars have Heads up displays, radar brake assist/guidance, GPS, HYBRID engines, run on water, have BOSE sound systems ete etc etc

COST

Why didnt the 380 get ESP why didnt the 3rd cat just not get deleted, why didnt it get HIDs, LED brake lights, LIQUID METAL DAMPERS, MIVEC, side curtain airbags ETC ETC ETC

MMAL ran out of room in the budget. = COST

MMAL did however deliver a great car with some flaws which we can correct which let us feel that we have made our cars unique

making mine more visible is pertinant to me as I carry my son around in it 95% of the time

lucky for me he was not in it the 2 times I was hit in the arse

BTW had an unmarked car follow me for 10 mins on my way home at night and he did not seemed phased by my "NON COMPLIANT" globes

although I do believe they are compliant

Hey execblue!! Tell me how you or anyone else is going to tell the difference between these ones and factory standard? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PHILIPS-P21-5W-380-FAST-REACT-BRAKE-LIGHT-BULBS_W0QQitemZ310187608347QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C arsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item48389f491b
They are the same outward appearance and the same power rating. As to the light output, seriously now you are joking right? As these are the same wattage the only thing that would be different would be the gas inside. This would give you a different heat range (Kelvin) making it a whiter light. With such a range of globes around it would be totally unrealistic to have a Lumen limit on your globe. Far more appropriate for a wattage limit (which they have) You really should make more of an attempt to have a look at what someone is talking about before you go off half cocked and cynically get into someone. If you dont like what Mecha is doing, ignore it. We all like doing different things to our car and from what I have seen of Mecha he is a really sensible bloke and isnt going to do anything that makes his car illegal. It just make you look a tad silly to say the least.

I upgraded my interior lights, parkers and rear number plate lights to 'xenon white' SMD LEDS some time ago. Some bigger/brighter/better than others.

But the GF still wasn't happy with the intensity of the reading lights (the front interior dome lights). Still too dim for her liking.

I read maggie's post about high intensity LED indicator globes and followed this link (see post #34 ):

but im just waiting for these BEAUTIES to arrive......

They looked good to me so I ordered a pair, which rolled up yesterday.

But stoopid me didn't check that I had in fact ordered the amber ones (same as maggie), which are no good at all to me as interior reading lights.

I've now ordered a set of 'xenon white' ones from the same eBay supplier, AFAICT tell the exact same type & size as the ones that rolled up. This size is a bit longer than the stock bulbs but will just fit in the housing.

So if anyone is doing the same as maggie with amber SMD LED rear indicator bulbs, I now have a set looking for a good home.

Will post up a thread in the For Sale section soon.

KJ.

Hey hey. i bought some interior map reading lights for mine. i went to put them in and the idiots at mitsubishi decided it would be a good idea to have to take your car down to an authorized dealer to have 2 $5 bulbs changed.

But i would like to change my rear indicators cause they suck

Hey hey. i bought some interior map reading lights for mine. i went to put them in and the idiots at mitsubishi decided it would be a good idea to have to take your car down to an authorized dealer to have 2 $5 bulbs changed.

But i would like to change my rear indicators cause they suck

Why would Mitsu insist that the dealer must change the globes? It's a five minute that an untrained monkey could do! Or do they just want to gouge you an hour's labour charge for a five minute job? And what are they going to do if you tell them to get stuffed and you'll DIY? Can't see how some DIY after market map light globes could possibly void the warranty or effect an insurance claim.

KJ.

Why would Mitsu insist that the dealer must change the globes? It's a five minute that an untrained monkey could do! Or do they just want to gouge you an hour's labour charge for a five minute job? And what are they going to do if you tell them to get stuffed and you'll DIY? Can't see how some DIY after market map light globes could possibly void the warranty or effect an insurance claim.

KJ.


If I can change em them a monkey can do a better JOB

Straty just pull down the map light assembly it is just clipped in tight remove the old globes and put in new ones test polarity if it is sweet place back in roof