Just found an article with good info on the 4.5l V8 we all want to know about (found HERE (http://www.sae.org/automag/globalview_03-00/04.htm) ), and from what I can gather should fit into a Magna without to much modification as it is only 5cm wider and about 10kg heavier than a DOHC 6G74, and is setup for FWD

It's hard to say but considering it's from a vehicle which has a 3.5 as an option then there's probably a good chance. Good luck finding one though.

ok 1st of all, look at what position the throttle is facing, this might fit the 2nd gen model mostly cause the TB sites on the left hand, i dont think it would go into the 3rd gen mostly because the TB in the 3rd gen is facing the right, but correct me if im wrong :P

It comes from the Proudia I think, ask Manual..he was looking at it

Ha - yeah well if you can find one buy a lotto ticket - only a few were ever made and were only released in teh Mitsu Flagship model in Japan - as Killbilly said - this vehicle is called hte Dignity or Proudia - now this car came optioned with either the 8A80 or the 6G74 - in the third gen shell - so after asking a few Jap friends i have in the great land of J - was assumed that the engine should bolt in out of place of the 6G74.

Now - the 8A80 - only came in Auto (tiptronic) form - but - if you have a 6g74 Manual - then chances are it should fit - if I could have laid my hands on one of these - it would have been in my car INSTANTLY!!! however - after searching for 6 months - contacting Japanese Wreckers, import wreckers etc etc etc - i couldn't find any one who had one the closest somebody came was - yeah i have a shop in Kobe that had on - but didn't last long

SO yeah - if you can find one - congrats - and yes it would be a magic engine - 4.5L V8 in a Magna - a magna with the rumble - ooh yeah!!

Manual

v8 on FWD, somebody thiking about traction issues here?

stuff traction - how cool would it sound

']v8 on FWD, somebody thiking about traction issues here?

pfft - ppl are turboing these days - traction is a thing of the past!! hahahaha

Manual

']v8 on FWD, somebody thiking about traction issues here?Most American v8 police cars are front wheel drive these days, or so I heard.

its all about how you drive it... :cool:

ok people... read the article that was posted initially and half of you have repeated everything it said!! not that i'm worried.. its just that i've now read that article twice!

considering it uses the same engines and gearboxes as the jap spec diamante's one can only assume it will be the same as our GenIII.

And yeah, rarer than hen's teeth!! i went looking around the same time as Manual... not a trace!

How much do you reckon one of these GDI type-8A80's would cost if you could even find one?

You'd probably have to purchase a "Proudia" to do the conversion, doubt you'd manage to find a front cut of one of those to easily!

How much do you reckon one of these GDI type-8A80's would cost if you could even find one?

at a guess $3K-$5K depending on which bits you get... thats what i would pay... but you can get imported 4.5L DOHC toyota V8's (210kW soarer engines) for 2K out of the parts peddler. so i could be way off!... i'm going googling.. i report if i find anything!

why dosent tonsley park take all the tooling if they dont make it enymore........
4.5 V8-mivec-awd-tt....yehbaby!

I think when Manual was looking for one it was more like 6-8k

why dosent tonsley park take all the tooling if they dont make it enymore........
4.5 V8-mivec-awd-tt....yehbaby!
now theres a good idea... buy the **** and bring on that aussie spirit!!

yeah - for an engine it was up to 10K

also the reason teh Toyota 8 is much cheaper is because they are a lot more common.

unlike this 8A80 ;) also - i don't think the GDI Engines work in aus due to the SUlphur levels in the fuel

Manual

i just remembered a mates dad does alot of importing... so i've sent him on a mission for u guys... will let u know how he goes.


Tim

well i found a cool pic of a 8A80 engine :D

thanks booya, made my day :cool:

well i found a cool pic of a 8A80 engine :D

Since there is a secondary car built into the exhuast manifold for reduced emmisions, I recon that the 8A80 would be very responsive to performance extractors, man, I recon we all chip in and buy the tooling for the V8 if MMC closes down :D

if it goes broke it might be a good chance.... i think it maybe valued by others as well!! the GDI is not a widely used technology yet!!

so what is GDI ???

Gasoline Direct Injection.

A little googling got me somewhere

http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/plug/list/mitsubishi.pdf
That pdf lists (I think) spark plugs for the 8a80. They have 8 in stock for the Pradia and 8 in stock for the Dignity. (I never knew there were two cars with the 8a80 as an option)
They have an english web page and they clearly know their stuff, so an email to them couldn't hurt.

There were another few places like this that listed parts for the engine, but not the whole thing.

Hmm this makes me think I should have been into cars a little more when I was in Japan.. I might get some of the Japanese guys around this place to run their eyes over some of the pages google is giving me that I can't read.

Meh.

-Dan

Link, if anyone can read this:
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/docs4/web_archives/archives/2000/proudia00/power.html

Go here to translate the above website to english from japanese, makes for easier reading - well kinda!
http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Link, if anyone can read this:
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/docs4/web_archives/archives/2000/proudia00/power.html

Go here to translate the above website to english from japanese, makes for easier reading!
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
dunno... it all seemed still funny to me!!

After wet sanding with gasoline mixing the air beforehand, making just the air suck abundantly inside the cylinder the former engine which it sucks unlike, the direct injection gasoline. lol lol

(I never knew there were two cars with the 8a80 as an option)
-Dan
dude, go to the top of the page, and read the article that Pheonic originally posted... it quotes the two cars!!! they are made in a joint thing between Hyundai and Mitsu!

dude, go to the top of the page, and read the article that Pheonic originally posted... it quotes the two cars!!! they are made in a joint thing between Hyundai and Mitsu!

There are actually more than two cars with this engine... the Japenese versions of the Challenger & Pajero came with it as an option also I believe.

There are actually more than two cars with this engine... the Japenese versions of the Challenger & Pajero came with it as an option also I believe.
really?!? sweet! they would have rocked! its a wonder we didn't get the pajero with it hear to contend with the Landcruiser and hiPo Patrol engines!

I wonder if this AutoSpeed article will tell us anymore about the 8A80 ?

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2071/article.html

Everything i'm reading says that the Proudia Type-C which has the 8A80 motor is a RWD vehicle, this being the case it'd be a costly exercise getting one of these into a Magna one would think!!!

But having said that the Japense Pajero / Challenger also came with an optional 8A80 so perhaps an AWD Magna would be better suited to the task considering they allready have the same type of gearbox as the Proudia!

Yeah, I think we've supposedly got too much sulphur in our fuel for it (average unleaded is approximately up to a maximum of 500ppm, according to BP's unleaded fuel data on their website). Mind you, that was the excuse at the time (probably about mid-to-late '90's, before Ultimate 98 and other 98 RON fuels became available at the bowser). Again, according to BP's fuel data, Ultimate 98 has supposedly got average sulphur concentration of 50ppm in Ultimate 98, so that should be fine for running the GDI engine, I think (well, sulphur-wise anyway).

According to a link I was checking a few days ago (can't remember what it was, for the life of me, but it took me a bit of googling to find it), the Japanese standard is about 100ppm maximum or so for sulphur. I think the 8A80 engine should run ok on decent fuel like U98, at a rough guess.

I definitely wouldn't mind playing with one, if I had the money. :D

Everything i'm reading says that the Proudia Type-C which has the 8A80 motor is a RWD vehicle, this being the case it'd be a costly exercise getting one of these into a Magna one would think!!!

But having said that the Japense Pajero / Challenger also came with an optional 8A80 so perhaps an AWD Magna would be better suited to the task considering they allready have the same type of gearbox as the Proudia!

If your read the article I posted in my first post you would come accross this:



"As with the Debonair sedan, the Proudia/Dignity employs a transverse powertrain driving the front wheels. " :D

If your read the article I posted in my first post you would come accross this:
yeah, some people don't read hey!! not bagging anyone... its just that people haven't even read the first post properly!!

yeah, some people don't read hey!! not bagging anyone... its just that people haven't even read the first post properly!!

its typical... :roll:

But having said that the Japense Pajero / Challenger also came with an optional 8A80 so perhaps an AWD Magna would be better suited to the task considering they allready have the same type of gearbox as the Proudia!

Hard to say but I'd doubt it. I reckon the engine would be the wrong orientation. If it's RWD then it's NS and our AWD are EW.

I KNOW WHAT I"M THINKING!!! TURBO V8 FRONT WHEEL DRIVE!!!! YEH!!! LETS MAKE SOME FIRE ON DA ROADS!!! YEH... OWWWW SO AWESOME!
:dancin: :clap: :badgrin: (EVIL LAUGH)

I KNOW WHAT I"M THINKING!!! TURBO V8 FRONT WHEEL DRIVE!!!! YEH!!! LETS MAKE SOME FIRE ON DA ROADS!!! YEH... OWWWW SO AWESOME!
:dancin: :clap: :badgrin: (EVIL LAUGH)
haha, now where have i heard this before :shifty: .... oh thats right... i think someone made the exact same comment in the old fastmagna forums!!! (manual most likely??) except we wanted a V8-T AWD!!! still, bloody good idea!!

Cadillac have made FWD V8's since the 70's

Cadillac have made FWD V8's since the 70's
yeah, but turbo ones???? (and we didn't get them in Aus, so they don't count! :D )

If your read the article I posted in my first post you would come accross this:

Perhaps the V6 version of the Proudia/Dignity are FWD and the V8 version is RWD?

I've read the article you posted as has everyone else, but other articles i've seen about the V8 version in particular state that they are RWD. *shrug*

Happy to be proven wrong though in which case i'll go and buy one for my magna. :D

Perhaps the V6 version of the Proudia/Dignity are FWD and the V8 version is RWD?

I've read the article you posted as has everyone else, but other articles i've seen about the V8 version in particular state that they are RWD. *shrug*

Happy to be proven wrong though in which case i'll go and buy one for my magna. :D
(hmm, the only ones i've read have been fwd) but anyway, i cant see them making a whole new drive train for the V8 versions.... it would be kinda wierd way of doing things.... even though it would be pretty sweet!! (as it could be easily modified to plug in under a magna!)

Perhaps the V6 version of the Proudia/Dignity are FWD and the V8 version is RWD?

I've read the article you posted as has everyone else, but other articles i've seen about the V8 version in particular state that they are RWD. *shrug*

Happy to be proven wrong though in which case i'll go and buy one for my magna. :D
I'd say everything about the pic that Booya posted would indicat it being EW mounted... & I've never seen a EW motor with RWD train..

Back to the pic...e Sticker, the dipstick, the oil filler & the throttlebody are all positioned in EW format... then there is the exhaust manifold... goes straight back under the block... I'd say the motor pictured is undeniably EW/FWD layout..

As for the pajero having one.. isn't it NS mounted? The Pic on the CAPA website shows it that way (to much sh*t in the road, but the throttle body & drive belt on the charger shows it)... so if there really was one in the Pajero, it's quite possible there could be 2 versions of the motor? http://www.capa.com.au/pics/kits_mitsubishi_pajero_eaton_front_big.jpg


Any other thoughts?

Well, I was pretty sure that the Proudia was FWD. There's always a chance that there's two versions as that's the case for the V6 Pajeros and Magnas that share the same engine.

http://www.conceptcarz.com/folder/vehicle.asp?car_id=5767

seems to me there must be both ES and NS, the proudia in the article is stated to be FWD, and pajeros are NS layout the pic above looks like a challenger, so as REdav points out some engines are used both ways in diff cars like the V6's are NS in pajero/challenger and EW in galant/magna.
sandman i cant think of any EW RWD layout either, my wifes saab is NS with gearbox forward of engine, and FWD...weird, subaru also made NS FWD.

there are definately NS versions of the 6G7 series of motors... the pajeros, tritons (and challenger i suspect, i never looked in one) all use NS versions of the 6G7 motors... i have had to service tritons so i know they are for sure..

otherwise it doesn't help a lot! i reckon the 8A80 could have been used as both NS and EW.... but in the case of the Proudia etc... i reckon it would be inconvinent to design its chassis to hold both a EW (we know the 6G74 in there) and an NS motor!! it would mean totally different bracing.. everything... very uneconomic!!

Yet Rover(the ones owned by Ford) I think did this with one of their models, FWD, then converted to RWD for the V8 models that run Ford engines :D

Yet Rover(the ones owned by Ford) I think did this with one of their models, FWD, then converted to RWD for the V8 models that run Ford engines :Dah, true, rover 75 maybe.... i know the one... they put one up against the Ralliart a few years ago in MOTOR/wheels.... now they have a limited ed V8 version... well there goes that theory!

this is true the rover was fwd with the 2.5 v6 130kw, new v8 will be rwd.
but its a lot more than mountings its a whole new rearend to be developed including a diff or diff and drive shafts, tailshaft etc etc, theres just about no way, very unlikely they (mitsi) would do both on the same car.

mmm i am definately buying a tattslotto ticket this week...

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Greetings All.

How do you guys think the Nissan SR20DETfwd motor would go? would it fit? :p

Cheers,
--Tonba
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there are definately NS versions of the 6G7 series of motors... the pajeros, tritons (and challenger i suspect, i never looked in one) all use NS versions of the 6G7 motors... i have had to service tritons so i know they are for sure..

otherwise it doesn't help a lot! i reckon the 8A80 could have been used as both NS and EW.... but in the case of the Proudia etc... i reckon it would be inconvinent to design its chassis to hold both a EW (we know the 6G74 in there) and an NS motor!! it would mean totally different bracing.. everything... very uneconomic!!

Perhaps that's why they discountined the Proudia/Dignity model in the end, because it was too expensive with two few sales to warrant it's existence?

Perhaps that's why they discountined the Proudia/Dignity model in the end, because it was too expensive with two few sales to warrant it's existence?
Well, lets see if we can buy both of 'em

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Greetings All.

How do you guys think the Nissan SR20DETfwd motor would go? would it fit? :p

Cheers,
--Tonba
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sure it could fit those go into much smaller engine bays. remember its half the capacity, and fast in cars half the size. of course it would not bolt straight in and the money and time u spend in doing the conversion would probably get you the 8A80.
btw there is a 2.6 mitsi 4cyl engined drag car running sub 10's so if its a 4cyl u want, the one that bolts straight in can be made to go just as hard as the nissan.

Think you can use the SR as a replacement for the Astron, but it does take a bit of modifications, (first series cars)

why use a SR when a 4g63 is a bolt up???


Tim

I only repsonded to the question asked. Perhaps he has a SR lying around, but not a 4G93?