Just Wondering who has what up front ???

Do you use splits or Co-axial??

What tunes do you listen to (PS don't just say Techno or Metal be alittle more indepth)

Reason why I am asking is because at the moment I have the 6 inch Stockies and I am unsure if a 2-way Coax is going to give me the clarity I am after.. I have had Splits before (pretty much in all my cars I have had except my Vitara) and I was wondering should I go for Entry Level Splits or a decent 2-way ....

i reckon a decent set of 6 1/2" splits with powerful enough amp would be the go i reckon
currently got some eclipse splits up the front running off a eclipse amp that has enough power to run them at full potensial
that aswell as sound deaden doors makes it sound good
oh and i listen to mainly dance type music

Def go with some splits. I have some Hertz 6.5" splits up front and I love em. I mainly listen to dance/pop/bassey stuff....

Im running Polk Audio SR 6500's upfront, off a soundstream 2 channel amp. Plus soon around 7 layers of dynamat on the doors....

I listen to everything, from electro, trance, metal (marilyn manon, nine " nails, disturbed, fear factory, pantera), classical music, rock, pop, anything literally.

I would go with decent splits, save a bit extra for them (for semi entry level/mid range I love soundstream speakers....but they are rather power hungry and need a solid amp behind them).

The thing is, splits are useless if you dont take advantage of why you buy them in the first place. Personally in a 3rd gen they are seriously wasted if your tweeters are sitting in the kick panels (IMO).

I've done 3 installs in this car, with 3 different speakers (Soundstream TRC6.N, RE Audio XXX 6.5 Comps, Polks) I've tried 5 different tweeter locations (two different positions in the kick panels, one set down low in the door, one set up high in the door, and A pillar).

I personally really prefer the A pillar, as the others the stage sits around knee height, and I just could not raise it regardless of what I done. Now it sits at more or less head height, with only slight seperation issues on certain frequencies.

If you dont plan on really moving the tweeter around too much, or dont want to chop A pillars, then a good set of coax's will be just as good as a good set of splits set up too quickly IMO.

If you dont want the trouble of finding the best tweeter location for you, then get the coax's.....

If you can be bothered - get the splits and play around a bit.

In my old car (cressy) i had focal splits, NEVER again will i have them, the midbass in them was shocking, really needed to be a 3 way setup! looking at something from DD when i get around to doing it, after hearing sams setup it has awesome midbass!

i listen to mainly house / electro type stuff as well as Rap/Hiphop (hilltop hoods, bliss n esso, timbaland, lupe fiasco) and then a bit of metal as well (system of a down, metallica etc)

Liverpool - how well did you set up the doors in the cressy if you dont mind me asking?

I thought the mid bass from my soundstream's were poor at first, then I sealed off the service holes, couple more layers of dynamat and they were amazing...

The speakers are only as good as the enclosure you put them in :)

i mate some custom fibreglass moulds for them, sealed them up pretty good, though main issue was no sound deadning, which would have made a big difference, after hearing the same splits set up well (a different car, sealed off, sound deadened etc) i still think sams were 10x better for the same cost, the focals were just too bright for my liking unfortunately, but thats what focals are known for, and to some people who like music with not as much midbass they would have been excellent speakers!

Fair enough, I dont think in the midrange-top end there's such a thing as bad speakers, just for different tastes. One reason why I dont particulary like Bostons (even Boston Pro's) they are a tad bright for my liking.

Out of interest Trav, which Focals did you have and how were you running them?

Out of interest Trav, which Focals did you have and how were you running them?
I'm gonna take a stab and say he had 165KR/KR2 or 165KP/K2P splits depending on age.

I've got Focal Polyglass 165VR splits in mine atm, and the reproduction from them is great imo, they do recreate a very balanced and rich sound. They do lack mid-bass though, and thats with thick mdf baffles and a fully deadened door, which did make a difference to when I originally wacked them in on the factory plastic baffles. Not much I can really do with them, they're designed to play with a sub, and when they do they sound fantastic.

I personally will probably end up replacing them with something with more mid-bass, leaning towards DDA comp's atm. I do listen to a very vast range of music too, and its hard to create a setup that shines with everything played through it.

splits all the way!!! which brand depends on how much moolah you got. if you got alot, go for some focals. if not, soundsteams are awesome or alpine R types. dont even look at the ddlinear's.

I run a set of MTX TX6001 up front running of an Alpine 4ch (along with the rears). They are fairly loud and nice and punchy. I listen to mainly metal inc a lot of extremely fast black metal like Dimmu Borgir etc and these speakers handle that stuff fine. On the other side of the coin though, i also listen to a bit of cruisier music like Delirium and it sounds fantastic - crisp and clean.

I had a set of these in my old car and loved them enough to put them in the new one too.

Jay-car Splits CS-2338's and a 2 x 100 watt Clarion amp.( 4 x 50 Bridged ).
Eagles, Dire straits, John Mayer, Paul Kelly, ACDC, some Pop, and hitting a little piano Jazz... Very versatile and super crisp, can't beleive this is the first time I went to splits, why did I wait so long.....

Love it so much and so much value for money I got some for the 380 too...

I run Morel splits up the front and currently have the tweeters in the kick panels, but want to shift them higher as the sound stage is quite low. Fully sealed and deadened doors with Focal Plain Chant tiles behind each midbass driver.

Out of interest Trav, which Focals did you have and how were you running them?

i had the polyglass 165v1's, so similar to Rhys' ones, i think they are one model down to his?

they needed something to play that mid section as i only had the splits and then the subs, whjen i had it judged they said it really needed either to be 3 way or have some 6x9's tuned well in the rear as the gap was a little too big.

i had the speakers mouned down low in the doors poining up and the tweeters firing into the windscreen to dull them a little

Tweeters firing into the windscreen wont dull them....

You will get a 'reflection', like an echo and will actually make them brighter.

A good way to stop this is to mount them on the A pillar, and use a dash mat to stop reflections.

Tweeters firing into the windscreen wont dull them....

You will get a 'reflection', like an echo and will actually make them brighter.

A good way to stop this is to mount them on the A pillar, and use a dash mat to stop reflections.

ha, well there ya go! im no expert on this stuff!

in my old car there wasnt anywhere to mount them on the a pillar so it wasnt possible really!

Also really not sure why they said to use those speakers in a 3 way set up, if you are lacking midbass, this would be created by the 6.5" mid (frequency lets say 100-250Hz) then you would have a mid-range (3" or 4") for things like vocals (250-3000Hz) and your tweeter for 3000+ (give or take, its early in the morning).

who knows :)

but all i know is that in my opinion they lacked mid bass, now wether this was due to the cars design, the speakers design or my installation (or a combination of the three) i wont be getting focals again (unless another set comes up super cheap like mine were) and i will be getting some DD's

who knows :)

but all i know is that in my opinion they lacked mid bass, now wether this was due to the cars design, the speakers design or my installation (or a combination of the three) i wont be getting focals again (unless another set comes up super cheap like mine were) and i will be getting some DD's
V1's aren't brilliant for mid-bass, but I don't find them too bad, Nemesis has a pair of V1's in his car. The VR's actually have less mid-bass, but have a more accurate mid range and high end, they're designed to play with a sub, playing without one they definitely lack. Try a set of K2 Power comp's or if your game Utopia BE's, they're much better as far as low end is concerned.

Out of curiosity what did the V1's set you back?

something around the 200 mark, bought them second hand from MEA

I found the Kicker KS series speakers to be excellent value for the sound they produce. I'm running the 6" splits up front in a coaxial configuration (You have the option to mount the tweeter on the middie :D) and the KS 6x9 in the parcel tray. I listen to everything...soft rock, classical, hard rock, techno, top 40, you name it and these speakers sound great. I look forward to the improvement once I get my new deck and amps in.

I was running the Hertz DSK splits in my last car, found the sound on the Kickers to be more 'solid' with a stronger vocal range and smoother tweeter. The 6x9 are pretty alright, although being a 3 way the upper end of the vocal spectrum sounds off, but nothing a bit of EQ can't fix. Not that it really matters that much, it's just for rear fill.

Well IF I was going a decent set of 2-way Coax I was going to angle them up a little...

I sat in my folks TH Altera with the stock Splits in the fronts and liked the level they achieved (Just not the Brightness as they were too dull)

Unlike most I desire a crisp front end.. and as it stands now, the stock 6x9's are Brighter then the door speakers... (Angled Glass playing apart in that I suspect)

My Budget is not Brilliant and I wont be amping the front end.. (cause then I have to deaden the damned doors to stop the rattle !!)


I had a good look at some MB Quart 2-ways


Some Orion Cobalt 2-ways Splits and a set of Clarion 6 inch Splits...

http://www.orioncaraudio.com/Products/Products.aspx?ProductID=565

http://clarion.com/au/en/products/2009/audio/speakers/quality/SRQ1620S/au-en-product-pf_1172419833204.html

something around the 200 mark, bought them second hand from MEA
Get some of these next time if you want more mid-bass :P
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_component_subs.php?series_id=31

Kick the door cards off with mid-bass :P

Too bad about that 4K pricetag on Utopia BE's lol....

That said if you run an active set up, the cost is down a lot.....hrm.....next car.

Magnat - where abouts in NSW are you?

I have a mate with a second hand pair of MB Quart entry level's sitting in his garage, had them for 3 weeks in his lancer, then upgraded to boston Pro's....

Bugger all use on them :)

Too bad about that 4K pricetag on Utopia BE's lol....

That said if you run an active set up, the cost is down a lot.....hrm.....next car.
Look even if you just picked up a set of Utopias, 165W's are about a grand, and they're sensational, most people (except those who love lots of bass) could run them on their own off a decent 2 channel amp and be quite happy.

ERS : Moss Vale ..
My Total budget is really restricted ... and I always try speakers BEFORE I buy them lol...


So I have listened to a set of Fusion 6 inch splits and they had a sort of metallic sound to the woofer and the tweeter was loud but sorta flat on some frequencies.. Where as the clarions were clean and clear but the 6x9's needed for the back end were a little too bright..

Hey not saying they are not great speakers, I just shudder at the pricetag lol

Im quite happy with my Polks - though next set up will be active.

Magnat - the other option since you are not running a sub, would be to listen to the clarion range. Last one's I heard were a coax, running off an entry level pioneer deck in a Mirage. The low-mid range on them was damn good for $200....

The MB's are around $80 (was a $200 something speaker), but mossvale - sheesh, I would have brought them around but thats a bit far :P

Will keep that in mind... I am also looking at going with JBL... always liked their gear..

Im quite happy with my Polks - though next set up will be active.
I wonder why, the SR6500 Polks are some of the best splits around without being too extreme with throwing money at speakers, I'd rather have SR6500's than my Focals.

Have you looked at the Jaycar range for cheaper splits? I've been quite surprised by them for what you pay.

That said if you run an active set up, the cost is down a lot.....hrm.....next car.

mmmm active setup.... looks at headunit.....if i HAVE to hahaha

Magnat, everyone will give you their 2c worth, but at the end of the day, make your choice with your own ears, that's the best way.
I currently have Rainbow Profi Kick's (http://195.243.203.21/rainbow/index.aspx?pm=1261132&lan=ENG). You don't see these around everywhere, but they work for me.
I've had these tuned to many different varieties, and have a good range of highs & mids.

But all this info is useless if you don't have a price range. You need to first determain how much you want to invest, or at least an aprox value, and then look at what's available in your price range.

Magnat, everyone will give you their 2c worth, but at the end of the day, make your choice with your own ears, that's the best way.
I currently have Rainbow Profi Kick's (http://195.243.203.21/rainbow/index.aspx?pm=1261132&lan=ENG). You don't see these around everywhere, but they work for me.
I've had these tuned to many different varieties, and have a good range of highs & mids.

But all this info is useless if you don't have a price range. You need to first determain how much you want to invest, or at least an aprox value, and then look at what's available in your price range.

this translates to buy jvc stuff :P

I like bright... Boston, Hertz, Focal. When you have big bright tweeters they work well down in the kicks. :happy:

This weekend shall undertake an active 3 ways front stage with Boston SL60's and a set of RF tweeters... shall be interesting. :think:

Go auditioning dude, as Righty said everyone will have an opinion.

If you are on a budget (Like I was), I am running MTX Thunder Dome Axials off Alpine HU. It goes pretty well considering.

I like bright... Boston, Hertz, Focal. When you have big bright tweeters they work well down in the kicks. :happy:

This weekend shall undertake an active 3 ways front stage with Boston SL60's and a set of RF tweeters... shall be interesting. :think:

Go auditioning dude, as Righty said everyone will have an opinion.

Yes one of the few people that adore bright tweeters lol Not that there's anything wrong with that :ninja:

run hertz hsk165 off an audison srx2s (2x200wrms) in all honesty i find the hsk's sound bad running anything under a decent 150wrms amp, the reason i went for hsk's is because rallairtgal drives the car more than me and they suit the type of music she listens to,

I would of personally gone for the morel elates or polk signature, but find the morels are to mellow for her liking and the polk sr6500 don't play as loud as she likes without breaking down, and the pioneer prs i find sound best active but didn't want to go active

so take a good cd NOT AN MP3 into a shop and have a listen see what you like, but splits would be my choice

(i have a full hertz energy system in my work car running of a pioneer Deh-p80rs and love it as well)

run hertz hsk165 off an audison srx2s (2x200wrms) in all honesty i find the hsk's sound bad running anything under a decent 150wrms amp, the reason i went for hsk's is because rallairtgal drives the car more than me and they suit the type of music she listens to,

I would of personally gone for the morel elates or polk signature, but find the morels are to mellow for her liking and the polk sr6500 don't play as loud as she likes without breaking down, and the pioneer prs i find sound best active but didn't want to go active

so take a good cd NOT AN MP3 into a shop and have a listen see what you like, but splits would be my choice

(i have a full hertz energy system in my work car running of a pioneer Deh-p80rs and love it as well)

Im running the Hertz HSK165's is my car too, but im only feeding them 130wrms. I wouldnt say they sound bad (I love mine!, I think they sound great..), But they could definately do with a bit more power than im giving them...

polk sr6500 don't play as loud as she likes without breaking down

Quality over quantity my man LOL

That, and they play plenty loud.....atleast in my set up - and still have more to go....

ive only got 6" pioneer coaxils in the front with verada door tweeters.... and im happy enough
except i want tweeters in the rear.... and i wanna fit my sub in one day

Gave MGNTZD a hand tonight tuning the gains properly on his system, DDA6.5 comp's up front and DDCX6x9 rears, jesus do they go loud and clear. Left the car after 15 minutes with seriously affected hearing but very pleasurable listening at the same time. Awesome amount of midbass from those DDA's too, can't wait to get a set of my own :woot:

Quality over quantity my man LOL

That, and they play plenty loud.....at least in my set up - and still have more to go....

Very true, I put the Hertz HSK's up against the Boston SL60's. Hertz splits played a lot louder off the given 80WRMS however the Boston's did have a much better sound to them ( for my ears, Boston tweeter was harsher which made symbols and the like sound good, god bless the wiggles ). So my brother got the Hertz and I got the Bostons. All about individual tastes. :D

Anyone know if you can buy stock Tweeters? or the speaker covers.. I am looking at flush mounting my tweeter in the factory location ..

Anyone know if you can buy stock Tweeters? or the speaker covers.. I am looking at flush mounting my tweeter in the factory location ..

Yeah the tweeter pod things cost like $30 a pair ($15 each) at mitsubishi.

For better sound quality I would go with Verada sail mount tweeters (around $30 for a pair aswell IIRC).

Those one's in the dash are for midrange (3"? or 4"?) speakers.

lol in an Altera they are Tweeters lol.. they do lift the stage rather well..
I am thinking I am going to have to go splits....
Since I don't want to amp the speakers I am thinking of dash mounting the crossover and using the factory wiring to the woofer in the door...

Any one have the specific mounting hole size for the front doors and mounting depth.... (This will be helpful in the choosing of my fronts and would be handy to have as an Car Audio sticky)

I bought a set of Clarion SRQ-1620S 6.5 inch Splits...

Got them for a Good price...

Focal 165V1 Splits here - I'm hardly an audiophile so these do me just nicely. Powered off a Focal FP 2.75 amp.

I bought a set of Clarion SRQ-1620S 6.5 inch Splits...

Got them for a Good price...

Nice, clarion front splits are very good bang for buck....

;1064700']Nice, clarion front splits are very good bang for buck....
Agreed!

Yann89 has a set of Clarions in his car from memory and as far as bang for buck goes I can't knock em, good sounding speaker!

Yeah a Swivel mount Tweeter in the SRQ-1620's is going to be very handy

Im running Clarion splits in the front, Love them to peices.