while ago my friends said that my lights weren't as bright as other cars and so weren't my high beams so they told me i should get HID's in my head lights (but i was told HID's in 1pce parras melt the plastic) so i told him maybe i should put them in my fog lights and use them when im out in the middle of know where to get a better vision on things.

so here are my questions
1) is it ok to put HID's in the standard TH fog lights
2) what is the highest K i could put in the foggies (would 15000k be to much)
3) and i have sports plastic covers on the foggies will they melt ?????
4) are the fog light globes H1

thanks for any help (i know that fog light use illegal in SA)

h3 for the fog lights i thing, 15000k is useless as it will be almost purple and dull (a guy a few houses down has hid's that are almost purple and they do nothing) and my hid's put out little heat, no more than a normal globe!

oh and 6000k in good iv found prob wouldnt want to much higher K than that

Have you looked in this (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57256) thread?
May find some of your answers there....


I feel the same way about the lighting performance in my TF. Came to the conclusion that HID conversion is a waste of time and money, given the cost and the legal requirements.

I'm going to splash out on a pair either IPF Fatboy H4 bulbs (~$150 from ARB, and I'm told are amazing for plug and play bulbs), or a set of Philips X-tremePower or DiamondVision, then look at set of Philips Power2Night H1 bulbs...

Have you looked in this (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57256) thread?
May find some of your answers there....


I feel the same way about the lighting performance in my TF. Came to the conclusion that HID conversion is a waste of time and money, given the cost and the legal requirements.

I'm going to splash out on a pair either IPF Fatboy H4 bulbs (~$150 from ARB, and I'm told are amazing for plug and play bulbs), or a set of Philips X-tremePower or DiamondVision, then look at set of Philips Power2Night H1 bulbs...

yeah i have a set of 4000K Philips Diamond Vision in my paras but still not that bright

I've got 6000k's in my spotties and i find them pretty useless, you can hardly even tell the difference when you switch them on while the headlights are on which are 6000's also. Not bagging the HID's i mean the lenses don't do much, they spread the light to the side of the road a little but not alot.

Anything over 6000k is going backwards and looks crap anyway, even 8000's look way too blue IMO.

hmmmm might have to abandon the idea, i was looking forward to doing the hid fog lights

Oh you gotta be kidding me another HID haters post.

It quite simple Phillips Diamond dont come close to HID. Ok i have had HID in my standard headlights, then upgrated to parras & got HID there.

You gotta be completely out of you mind to say any standard globe is better then HID. And yes i had phillips.

Also higher color temperature in HID does not mean they run hotter! They run much cooler then any standard globe espesially high wattage phillips.

Legal requirements, yes thats one downfall of HIDs, they are not legal unless factory made.

Cost???? I have $80 kit from ebay in my car had it running for 2 years already no problems whatsoever, it takes about 1 hour to install.

If you want the most light then dont go much higher then 6k, although i have 12k & its still very bright & performs extremely well.

Just to explain bit futher color temperature is NOT brightness or how hot the globes are its the intensity. I.e color temperature (like the stars in the sky are different color) this follows the same scale SIMULATING Kelvin color you get at a given Kelvin degree of temperature. The higher Ks the closer you are to purple, i.e new stars are alsways purple due to their high surface temperature, hence closer you get to the yellow/red the lower the color temperature is like our sun. Deep Red in low Ks color scale becomes infrared hence it emits most light in non visible spectrum (heat) (infrared heaters).

Our HID globes are simply simulation of that process.

Oh you gotta be kidding me another HID haters post.
Ooops, methinks I misread hypermagna's original post and got it into my head that he wanted to put them in his headlights.........

As for HID hating - wasn't. Made a statement that in my opinion the HID thing was pointless unless you did it right, i.e. ensuring everything meets ADR standards and satisfies the relevant legislative requirements. Which from what I understand, rules out most, if not all HID kits available.

That is if you were to use them in your headlights - hypermagna is talking about using them in his fog lights.....





hmmmm might have to abandon the idea, i was looking forward to doing the hid fog lightsNot necessarily....Andrei1984 mentioned something about $80 kit from eBay you might be able to try in the fog lights.....Remembering that the 'colour temperature' (i.e. 6000K value) has nothing to do with the heat output from the globes, but rather the colour output. I think the HIDs used in the BMWs, mercedes etc is around 4500K (not sure).

Hyper magna - have you tried rewiring your headlights with a relay and new wiring?? might not be getting full voltage..

i did this in my gemini for the lights and the starter motor.. wonderfull things the old relay setups with better wiring :)

Has anyone tried Osram Night Breaker. Someone on some 4x4 forum did a test against Philiips Extreme and it was better then the phillips.

I've got Night Breaker's in the TJ. H1's & H4's, Exec spec Hella's, standard wiring.
Nothing to compare them to other than the standard bulbs it came with.
Low beams a little whiter & brighter. Hight beams, OMFG - huge difference, way more throw :D. Noticeably whiter too.
I purchased mine from autobulbsonline (http://www.autobulbsonline.co.uk/), good upgrade. ADR legal as well.

I've got Night Breaker's in the TJ. H1's & H4's, Exec spec Hella's, standard wiring.
Nothing to compare them to other than the standard bulbs it came with.
Low beams a little whiter & brighter. Hight beams, OMFG - huge difference, way more throw :D. Noticeably whiter too.
I purchased mine from autobulbsonline (http://www.autobulbsonline.co.uk/), good upgrade. ADR legal as well.

They are selling for approx $19 + shipping from UK on eBay at the moment. Might see if the misus wants her outlander lights upgraded as well.

pretty happy with the 6000k HID's in my 1 piece parra's. they run quite cool really, i leave them on for a few hours at a time for extra light when im working on the missus car at night and they are merely warm to touch.

this said however, hid's in parra's will never compare with the awesome power of the light output of non-parra 3rd gen lights! they are just epic. brightest highbeams ever and sweet low beams.

I purchased mine from autobulbsonline (http://www.autobulbsonline.co.uk/), good upgrade. ADR legal as well.I'd pay the tiny premium to buy from http://www.powerbulbs.com/ they actually designed their website properly

The mechanic friend that fitted my transmission cooler also retro-fits HID kits (from Japan). All up approx $250. Very tempting to do it. Only worry about the boys in blue.

ok stuff it im gunna do it but might only use 8000K

this said however, hid's in parra's will never compare with the awesome power of the light output of non-parra 3rd gen lights! they are just epic. brightest highbeams ever and sweet low beams.

I agree, performance difference is amazing (HID vs HID). Standard headlights have much wider coverage, heaps brighter, if only they didnt look so bad.

have philips xtremepower 80%+ or whatever they're called, they are brilliant

im running 6000k HID's in my Exec.. they are focused @ - 2Deg in leiu of -1Deg to over come the glare due to a larger hot point
(HID's will always be illegal if not accompanied by a 25c or 50c headlight washing system and phare adjustment.... but MEH!!!)
the BiB haven't pulled me up for a chat yet.... personally i dont think they will because they cant tell the difference between halogens and HID's if installed correctly

unlike the knob behind me the other night in their lancer running 8000k HID's and yellow fog lights.... all of which were incorrectly focused.... was tempted to pull up and thump him for being a tool and giving HID users a bad rap
(fog lights must be @ -4Deg)

those spherical fatboy lights look pretty great

I just fitted the Narva Blue Power (fully ADR approved, 80% brighter and 20% whiter). Both H4 and H7. These are rebranded Osram Night Breakers according to the email from Osram Oz. Repco is the only seller in SA. They are noticeably brighter with a very slight bluish/aqua tinge. I've taken photos of standard bulbs and will take photos of these and post pics (possibly in a separate thread).

I just fitted the Narva Blue Power (fully ADR approved, 80% brighter and 20% whiter). Both H4 and H7. These are rebranded Osram Night Breakers according to the email from Osram Oz. Repco is the only seller in SA. They are noticeably brighter with a very slight bluish/aqua tinge. I've taken photos of standard bulbs and will take photos of these and post pics (possibly in a separate thread).

So how did the install go Vlad?,wasnt too bad i hope for you!

So how did the install go Vlad?,wasnt too bad i hope for you!


Driver's side was ok. Was a bit of a pain trying to remove the connector for the H4. The H7 was a breeze. As for the passenger side, I initially just loosened the battery and had enough space to replace the H7. Then proceeded to remove the fuse box by removing the bolt at the rear. The thing wont budge. I then noticed there was another bolt at the front under the fender. I then had to remove the battery so that I could shift the fuse box to where the battery was. The passenger size parker was a pain as well. Had to move the main loom a little bit so that I could get ny hands there and twist it out. All up, took me a hour. Will be much quick next time round. Thanks steve.

Driver's side was ok. Was a bit of a pain trying to remove the connector for the H4. The H7 was a breeze. As for the passenger side, I initially just loosened the battery and had enough space to replace the H7. Then proceeded to remove the fuse box by removing the bolt at the rear. The thing wont budge. I then noticed there was another bolt at the front under the fender. I then had to remove the battery so that I could shift the fuse box to where the battery was. The passenger size parker was a pain as well. Had to move the main loom a little bit so that I could get ny hands there and twist it out. All up, took me a hour. Will be much quick next time round. Thanks steve.

Hey no worries,

My mistake with the extra bolt,havent had to do it in a while thank christ!,yeah parkers are a pain in the bum,but once you have done it ,you can do them all in about 10 min flat

Good work
Steve