Hey guys
I picked up a KS the other day and im having a few troubles with the std alarm / immobilizer or whatever it has. Ive searched through the forums and couldnt find anything relevant.

Ok firstly the car didnt come with a remote which from what i can gather it should have. When i go to turn it on (run the engine) i flick it over to start, nothing happens, sometimes it takes several attempts for the car to actually start. (when i mean nothing happens i mean nothing at all, no starter, no relays no nothin). Although it sometimes starts not a problem first time :nuts:

Also i cant work out how to just switch the alarm off. even with the keys in the ignition when i open the doors the alarm goes off. Ive had to disconnect the 3 horns that i found in it before my neighbour torches the thing.

Now it may be simple answer, i may be just stupid but its doing my head in. im getting over this car already its driving me nuts.

would getting the remote solve my dramas?

cheers

There is a little grey box under the parcel shelf in the boot. As far as I know that is the alarm receiver module. You could try unplugging that.

When you lock and unlock it with the drivers door, can you see 'security' come up on the dash?

I am not sure if they have immobilisers in them......... I know that I use an aftermarket cut key without a chip of any sort to start mine and it starts fine.

There is a little grey box under the parcel shelf in the boot. As far as I know that is the alarm receiver module. You could try unplugging that.

When you lock and unlock it with the drivers door, can you see 'security' come up on the dash?

I am not sure if they have immobilisers in them......... I know that I use an aftermarket cut key without a chip of any sort to start mine and it starts fine.

do you have the remote for yours?

yeah that security light comes on for a bit when you lock it with the key. If i lock it by pushing the button then close it when i goto open it again it goes off. and if i dont hold the key to the left whilst im opening the door it goes off. rather anoying. my keys are pretty thrashed too. looks like they are going to snap.

Ill try unplugging it. Im pretty sure i only have the slave key for the car too.. dont know if that makes a difference

do you think the key set from my TS would work in the ks? like ignition barrel, door and boot locks?

thanks

Possibly.....

No my factory alarm doesn't work and I didn't get a remote with mine - so i went to a full aftermarket system with mine. 2nd gens should be able to pair up to a new remote. Put the key in the ignition and flick it on/off/on/off 3 times in 5 seconds and the blinkers should flash. If it does that then that means you should be able to purchase a new remote for it and pair it up to your car.

Your drivers door keybarrel might be stuffed or it might just be the wiring behind it. I have 2x keys, ignition barrel, white door handles off a KS verada if you are interested in swapping the whole system out.

As I said I am not sure if you need an immobiliser with the system, but you can also have the ECU or whatever you want too if you need it for a swap.

Failing that, you could probably take it to mitsu and they will be able to check out the alarm for you, but they are $100 an hour...... when you could spend $600 and have a decent aftermarked system installed with keyless entry and immobiliser.

All you need for an aftermarket system is the central to be working.

Regarding your TS, if they have a similar alarm system then it would possibly work, does it do the SECURITY thing when you lock it via the key?

Try the key switching thing and see if you can get the blinkers to flash (make sure all doors are closed when you do it). That will tell you if the keyless system is working or not

Possibly.....

No my factory alarm doesn't work and I didn't get a remote with mine - so i went to a full aftermarket system with mine. 2nd gens should be able to pair up to a new remote. Put the key in the ignition and flick it on/off/on/off 3 times in 5 seconds and the blinkers should flash. If it does that then that means you should be able to purchase a new remote for it and pair it up to your car.

Your drivers door keybarrel might be stuffed or it might just be the wiring behind it. I have 2x keys, ignition barrel, white door handles off a KS verada if you are interested in swapping the whole system out.

As I said I am not sure if you need an immobiliser with the system, but you can also have the ECU or whatever you want too if you need it for a swap.

Failing that, you could probably take it to mitsu and they will be able to check out the alarm for you, but they are $100 an hour...... when you could spend $600 and have a decent aftermarked system installed with keyless entry and immobiliser.

All you need for an aftermarket system is the central to be working.

Regarding your TS, if they have a similar alarm system then it would possibly work, does it do the SECURITY thing when you lock it via the key?

Try the key switching thing and see if you can get the blinkers to flash (make sure all doors are closed when you do it). That will tell you if the keyless system is working or not

thanks for your help mate,

I just tried the on / off thing then and couldnt get the blinkers to flash, then realised that box in the boot was still unplugged. Plugged it back in and still no luck doing so.

I just started the car, turned it off, got out, locked the door with the key then walked inside. Forgot to get something out, went and unlocked it with the key and the bloody thing went off again. Surely this isnt normal aye, this is my 24th car i have owned and never had a alarm like this.

How much u looking at for that KS key set u have? at least its the right colour!. If i get a day off on the weekend i might try and rig up the one out of the TS (which btw doesnt have any kind of alarm). I dont even want a alarm on the thing i just want to be able to work on it, open the doors, the boot and start it in peace! And for some reason the central locking doesnt work from the drivers door.. might be that actuator thing

KS EI came with only keyed central locking as standard afaik. Pete is yours an EI or XI cause maybe that was an option the OP hasnt got. Sounds like an aftermarket system to me that being said +1 with Pete. Rip out the old and fit up a new one with features you want. Central locking module is mounted under the fuse box in drivers footwell. Most systems are able to integrate with this module to give you remote keyless entry as well as alarm.

Hmmmm if the central doesn't work in the drivers door, then it sounds like you have a problem with the electrical sensor in the keybarrel. Maybe you could change the sensor and keep your barrel.

I'm not 100% on how the system actually works, it might be worth downloading the mitsu manual if you haven't already and read the wiring diagram on the alarm system.

Does it still go off if you unplug that grey module?

I will PM you a price on the locks etc.

Mine and petes are both the KS Xi.

Still goes off after unplugging that box thing in the boot :(

ill try and find that manual to d/l and take it from there i guess

thanks again

Just had a quick look through the wiring diagram. EI doesnt have the alarm as standard. The sensors in the door lock are 2 micro switches at least on mine. Could be wire broken or as in my case the cam rollers were stuffed. If you dont want an alarm but want keyless entry you could do what I did and buy the remote control setup. Mine was from Autobarn and consists of the wireless control box and two remotes. Will post up a picture of wiring hookup to mitsi central locking control if you need it.

Just had a quick look through the wiring diagram. EI doesnt have the alarm as standard. The sensors in the door lock are 2 micro switches at least on mine. Could be wire broken or as in my case the cam rollers were stuffed. If you dont want an alarm but want keyless entry you could do what I did and buy the remote control setup. Mine was from Autobarn and consists of the wireless control box and two remotes. Will post up a picture of wiring hookup to mitsi central locking control if you need it.

thanks for that. if i were to get a aftermarket alarm, how do i disable the standard one then? thats what im trying to do. and mine is a Xi not a Ei

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in short, you dont need to disable the factory alarm

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in short, you dont need to disable the factory alarm

haha sorry man.

ill look into it more then.

I dont want a alarm because they piss me off when your trying to work on your car, and i dont get my license back till 2011 anyway so it will only be sitting in my driveway till then. I dunno anymore. maybe i should just leave the horns unplugged lol. im starting to like my TS exec better

Are you sure all three horns come on with the alarm?

I thought the two under the bumpers were the normal horns and the one in the engine bay is the alarm one..... might be worth checking that out.

Strange problem you have there mate..... Hmmmm

Are you sure all three horns come on with the alarm?

I thought the two under the bumpers were the normal horns and the one in the engine bay is the alarm one..... might be worth checking that out.

Strange problem you have there mate..... Hmmmm

i didnt look into that side of things too much. i was already expecting my neighbours to come out with shotguns. Ill check that tomorrow, thats a good start :) thanks

Ok, the KS XI from memory is similar in ways to the KR XI, the over ride is actually the boot lock

If the alarm is going off, use the key to open the boot and it should turn off

The main ETACS module is right up under the RHS of the dash

Ok, the KS XI from memory is similar in ways to the KR XI, the over ride is actually the boot lock

If the alarm is going off, use the key to open the boot and it should turn off

The main ETACS module is right up under the RHS of the dash

my boot doesn't open with the key :(, not sure if its because i only have the "slave" key (possibly) or the boot lock has been changed.

Ive got a update on this situation. I pulled my driver side door trim off and found a 4 pin plug that wasnt plugged in. With that plugged back in my central now works BUT when i goto unlock the car with the key on the driverside the car unlocks, locks, unlocks, locks constantly. it wont just simply unlock. If i pull the handle whilst trying to unlock from the drivers side the door will open and only the drivers door will remain unlocked. I can then close the door which will unlock the other doors or simply push and pull the inside lock on the door.

Hope that makes sense....

The switches on the drivers door key mechanism have either come loose or shat themselves. From memory they are micro roller switches. Either that or the other culprit is the actual central locking relay located behind the drivers kick panel under the fuse box.

Neil

Ok, the KS XI from memory is similar in ways to the KR XI, the over ride is actually the boot lock

If the alarm is going off, use the key to open the boot and it should turn off

The main ETACS module is right up under the RHS of the dash

Before I went aftermarket, if my car was in 'armed' mode, and I opened the boot with the key, it would activate the alaram.... and the only way to make it stop was to use the drivers door to disarm it

might try and swap those microswitch things on the inside of the door handle. Ive got the handles out of the TS so i can see what you mean. Ill try and swap them over tomorrow and see how that goes

Had a simular problem on my wagon with the central locking going nuts. It would lock then unlock lock etc by itself. I worked out it was due to the inside door lever adjustment, You must make sure then have no pressure on the rod. Eg move the unit back (rearward) a fraction.