ok im upgrading from the capa unit i have now, not really chasing a great deal more power but i want it as soon as i push the pedal

my options are:

harrop/eaton
http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/engine_components/supercharger_kit.html
price: new $18000
second hand $11000 + freight from WA and install/tune
producing over 400rwkw

and

kenne bell
http://www.bluepower.com.au/forcedproducts.html
price: new only $16500ish
producing 380rwkw but add ons can produce up to 550rwkw

i know i should post on the ford forums but it just starts a huge debate with no clear answer, so some unbiased opinions are needed

ok im upgrading from the capa unit i have now, not really chasing a great deal more power but i want it as soon as i push the pedal

my options are:

harrop/eaton
http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/engine_components/supercharger_kit.html
price: new $18000
second hand $11000 + freight from WA and install/tune
producing over 400rwkw

and

kenne bell
http://www.bluepower.com.au/forcedproducts.html
price: new only $16500ish
producing 380rwkw but add ons can produce up to 550rwkw

i know i should post on the ford forums but it just starts a huge debate with no clear answer, so some unbiased opinions are needed

I don't know too much about either but I'd go the Harrop and do the second hand one. The Kenne Bell can do more with the add-oms yea but still 400rwkw is enough to knock your socks off.

360 still knocks my socks off, im not even chasing 400, ill get the tuner to get 380-390 max. at the end of the day its an unbuilt engine and 400 will stretch the friendship, even though the second hand one is producing 412rwkw on a BOSS 290

harrop/eaton
http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/engine_components/supercharger_kit.html
price: new $18000
second hand $11000 + freight from WA and install/tune
producing over 400rwkw



I think this is the winner

crap im sure for that money you could get a small twin turbo setup that will have next to no lag...

360 still knocks my socks off, im not even chasing 400, ill get the tuner to get 380-390 max. at the end of the day its an unbuilt engine and 400 will stretch the friendship, even though the second hand one is producing 412rwkw on a BOSS 290

LoL if I had a V8 that would knock my socks off. 380-390 at the wheels I'd be laughing non-stop the whole time and crying for joy :P.

are those prices JUST for the supercharger????

It all boils down to the reliability of the product. Surely Ford owners who have them installed can shed some light. And also what fits your budget.

are those prices JUST for the supercharger????

everything needed to supercharge it

im procrastrinating big time. getting a headache.

someone pointed out i could just sell my blower, put this $$$$ and part my car out and buy a FG. i love the new model, look total porn

May I ask why you wanna spend another $10K just to gain a few more kw? Like, hell the 360kw you make now would surely feel not much different to 400kw?

itd be a totally different car.

the end number isnt what im chasing, atm the 6.5lb boost is at 6000rpm. i want 8lb boost at 1500rpm, that way the torque is in my driving rev range.

It all boils down to the reliability of the product. Surely Ford owners who have them installed can shed some light. And also what fits your budget.

ford owners just argue about which kit is better without actually getting a result. if you seen a supercharged thread on those forums youd understand.... they all get locked within an hour

In that case, both the kits must be good. I would go for the Harrop kit second hand being the cheapest option. Furthermore it already gets 400rwkw, which you have indicated that you are happy with. I would beware though, Having such high Torque at low rpm will just send the rear wheel spinning way too easily causing traction control to work almost full time.

Alternatively, FG Falcon Turbo (chipped)

Actually gettin the FG aint such a bad idea. They do look great and if I reckon if you can get your hands on a FG FPV kit, Oh my science they look the goods!

Personally i would sell the BA XR8 and go for an FG XR6T or G6ET. Minimal money needed to get a lot out of the mods you'd do to them.

If buying another car is not an option then go for the S/C that has the best service/support in your state. This is what i'd look at for cars that aren't boosted from factory.

'Selling it' doesn't really answer the man's question about what supercharger he wants to get. And since when does a community that modifies magnas care about money spent versus power gained? lol

I know someone with the Kenne Bell system, fantastic to ride in, so tractable. Harrop have been in the business for a long time though, holden used there cranks in the 5.7lt stroker HSV's and there are plenty of Harrop positive displacement sc kits for LS1's, LS2's and LS3's around. Though I'd go for the 2.6lt Kenne Bell system, one day when you blow your engine, get it rebuilt and up the boost dude, you'll love it!!!!!!!!

Oh you'd be going inter cooled right???????

I know someone with the Kenne Bell system, fantastic to ride in, so tractable. Harrop have been in the business for a long time though, holden used there cranks in the 5.7lt stroker HSV's and there are plenty of Harrop positive displacement sc kits for LS1's, LS2's and LS3's around. Though I'd go for the 2.6lt Kenne Bell system, one day when you blow your engine, get it rebuilt and up the boost dude, you'll love it!!!!!!!!

Oh you'd be going inter cooled right???????

yeah both kits are cooled.

MOHIT, the FG is gaining momentum every waking hour.

Ok... time for hypnosis..... FG---FG----FG----FG---FG----FG----HEFFFFFFFFFFFFF GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...... mmmmm... donuts.

I'd go the newer car, not just for the ease of with power can be extracted for them, but moreso for the updated chassis, suspension brakes etc... It's a new car, less wear!!!

New thread should be a poll... Haha

i've done a bit of playing with a harrop kit on a SRT-8 300c... very nice although i think that water cell in the charger is just a joke...

I'd go the FG in a heartbeat....

Otherwise, Kenne Bell (simply for the name). Its not like you are picking between bob jane wheels and billets - you're picking between two top brands. So Mohit is on the money - pick the one with the best support for tuning in your area.

tuning in my area is next to impossible, trips to sydney look frequent in the future

i went and looked at the FG today, the interier is upgraded big time

then called in for a look at the VE SSv on the way home, i must say the VE looks better value, SSv has leather, 19s and upgraded dash for $1000 more than a stock XR8. also the bogandore does that snazzy AFM thing with the cylinders.... and 6.2l > 5.4l

even though its still a bloody commodore

im just gunna get all my coins together and consider options

tuning in my area is next to impossible, trips to sydney look frequent in the future

i went and looked at the FG today, the interier is upgraded big time

then called in for a look at the VE SSv on the way home, i must say the VE looks better value, SSv has leather, 19s and upgraded dash for $1000 more than a stock XR8. also the bogandore does that snazzy AFM thing with the cylinders.... and 6.2l > 5.4l

even though its still a bloody commodore

im just gunna get all my coins together and consider options

HSV gets the 6.2, the SS is 6.0.

Is your engine a built item or stock internals? If it's built, why not go twin turbo's? Think 450kw at the wheels

Sports - he's not chasing outright power, he's chasing low down torque, which still with a twin turbo set up would be rather impressive.

MAD35L - the Kenne Bell SC - thats a positive displacement SC right?

HSV gets the 6.2, the SS is 6.0.

Is your engine a built item or stock internals? If it's built, why not go twin turbo's? Think 450kw at the wheels

the salesman told me they both had 6.2......... you telling me a salesman lied?:nuts:

Sports - he's not chasing outright power, he's chasing low down torque, which still with a twin turbo set up would be rather impressive.

MAD35L - the Kenne Bell SC - thats a positive displacement SC right?

yeah its a PD blower

tuning in my area is next to impossible, trips to sydney look frequent in the future

i went and looked at the FG today, the interier is upgraded big time

then called in for a look at the VE SSv on the way home, i must say the VE looks better value, SSv has leather, 19s and upgraded dash for $1000 more than a stock XR8. also the bogandore does that snazzy AFM thing with the cylinders.... and 6.2l > 5.4l

even though its still a bloody commodore

im just gunna get all my coins together and consider options

I did the whole VE V's FG thing earlier this year.

Yes the Holden (at the time) seemed better value but after having both a SS manual and a auto SS-V for a weekend each with a FG XR6T for a weekend in the middle, i ended up getting a G6Eturbo instead lol.

Got a awesome price on the G6ET (Ego with cashmere interior) for a better price than the SS-V. Since buying the FG ive lowered it, fitted a LSD (stupid Ford for not factory fitting/allowing to option one on the G6ET's) and have just bought some nice 19" rims (didnt like the factory 19's). Will be doing a few small power up mods towards the end of the year. At the end of the day this is my drive to work everyday car so it has to stay nice and comfortable/streetable.

I did the whole VE V's FG thing earlier this year.

Yes the Holden (at the time) seemed better value but after having both a SS manual and a auto SS-V for a weekend each with a FG XR6T for a weekend in the middle, i ended up getting a G6Eturbo instead lol.

Got a awesome price on the G6ET (Ego with cashmere interior) for a better price than the SS-V. Since buying the FG ive lowered it, fitted a LSD (stupid Ford for not factory fitting/allowing to option one on the G6ET's) and have just bought some nice 19" rims (didnt like the factory 19's). Will be doing a few small power up mods towards the end of the year at the end of the day this is my drive to work everyday car so it has to stay nice and comfortable/streetable.

yeah the G6ET would be an east choice if my budget allowed.

as it stands i can only afford a second hand car and G6ETs just arent getting traded in yet.... so unless youre selling yours im fresh out of luck lol

yeah the G6ET would be an east choice if my budget allowed.

as it stands i can only afford a second hand car and G6ETs just arent getting traded in yet.... so unless youre selling yours im fresh out of luck lol

lol wont be selling it until 2011. I only keep my everyday cars for approximately 2 yrs or until they get around 50000-75000kms on them then i trade up (silly old TH magna of mine is 10yrs old this october).

what is the turbo like on juice? im a bit over paying through the nose for petrol

Thought of LPG for the falcon?

Though, the direct injection kits are $5K alone.......*sigh*

what is the turbo like on juice? im a bit over paying through the nose for petrol

I have to say im very impressed with its fuel consumption especially when compared to my MPS3 that i had before i bought the G6Et

Im averaging around 10.5-10.7 L/100kms driving to and from work everyday, which is a 50/50 mix of city and freeway driving.
On a recent trip away i did just on 700kms when the 80km to empty chime started beeping (about 6L left), which i thought was damn good considering the car was loaded up with 4 people and a boot load of stuff and it has a 68lt tank.

how does LPG go with performance vehicles? no matter what car i drive i cant see me not modding it, its hard to show restraint with my work ute, but its not like theres blower kits out there for 3.2litre rodeos

I have to say im very impressed with its fuel consumption especially when compared to my MPS3 that i had before i bought the G6Et

Im averaging around 10.5-10.7 L/100kms driving to and from work everyday, which is a 50/50 mix of city and freeway driving.
On a recent trip away i did just on 700kms when the 80km to empty chime started beeping (about 6L left), which i thought was damn good considering the car was loaded up with 4 people and a boot load of stuff and it has a 68lt tank.

thats pretty good economy. i was told fuel economy was around the same for the 6t and 8s

how does LPG go with performance vehicles? no matter what car i drive i cant see me not modding it, its hard to show restraint with my work ute, but its not like theres blower kits out there for 3.2litre rodeos

I know of a few XR6Turbos with LPG fitted that the have not had any problems from the liquid gas injection setups.

I know of a few XR6Turbos with LPG fitted that the have not had any problems from the liquid gas injection setups.

what kind of power they pushing? are they just standard?

thats pretty good economy. i was told fuel economy was around the same for the 6t and 8s

Na on a trip the turbo 6 creams the boss 8 for fuel economy even the "factory" combined fuel economy scales are in the turbo 6's favour (11.7 Vs 14 L/100kms). Thrashing the hell out of them ends up with very similar economy between them though

what kind of power they pushing? are they just standard?

The 2 that i know of are both BF XR6T's autos and one of them has around 340@wheels, the other is pretty well stock.

Na on a trip the turbo 6 creams the boss 8 for fuel economy even the "factory" combined fuel economy scales are in the turbo 6's favour (11.7 Vs 14 L/100kms). Thrashing the hell out of them ends up with very similar economy between them though

well the next car i buy will be an auto, that kind of stops me flogging its guts, and im getting too old for these gear changes in traffic.

to be honest the more i think about it i want to sell the v8. it was fun for a while. but i really think b series are too heavy for the power they have.

well the next car i buy will be an auto, that kind of stops me flogging its guts, and im getting too old for these gear changes in traffic.

to be honest the more i think about it i want to sell the v8. it was fun for a while. but i really think b series are too heavy for the power they have.

The FG is the first auto ive owned (well except for my old street/drag car back in the 90's) and its a pretty good unit but im still partial to a nice manual, having said that the ZF 6speed is sooooo damn easy in everyday driving though..... yes im getting lazy too

The FG is the first auto ive owned (well except for my old street/drag car back in the 90's) and its a pretty good unit but im still partial to a nice manual, having said that the ZF 6speed is sooooo damn easy in everyday driving though..... yes im getting lazy too

yeah the new autos are great. much better than the old 4 speed clunkers.

im going to drive my uncles IS250 tomorrow to see how that drives too, love the paddle shifters... hows that for lazy?!

LPG and turbo works rather well - with liquid injection you dont lose power, you can actually gain power over stock fuel set up. Just a question of $.

LPG and turbo works rather well - with liquid injection you dont lose power, you can actually gain power over stock fuel set up. Just a question of $.

what about detonation at higher boost?

Personally i would sell the BA XR8 and go for an FG XR6T or G6ET. Minimal money needed to get a lot out of the mods you'd do to them.

If buying another car is not an option then go for the S/C that has the best service/support in your state. This is what i'd look at for cars that aren't boosted from factory.
If he wants power on tap as soon as he hits the pedal a Turbo 6 falcon is probably going to be worse than what he has now. I've driven a couple of Turbo falcons and they take their sweet time to get up and boogy.

what about detonation at higher boost?

Just need a good tuner, with the right LPG set up you just need more LPG.

Here's 1 system / write up

http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Falcon-XR6-Turbo-on-LPG/A_110942/article.html

If he wants power on tap as soon as he hits the pedal a Turbo 6 falcon is probably going to be worse than what he has now. I've driven a couple of Turbo falcons and they take their sweet time to get up and boogy.

On the older BA/BF models they were a bit laggy (mainly the old 4speed auto models which had a hell tall first gear) and the extra long intake piping BUT i can tell you firsthand that the new FG's have minimal lag (due in part to the slightly smaller compressor side on the turbo), hell they make max torque of 533nm from 2000-4750rpm plus the very low first gear of the 6speed autos get them off there lardy ass's quite nicely. Id much rather the low/midrange grunt of the boosted 6 over the supposidly more powerful new 290kw XR8.

Id be nice if people who havnt driven a turbo FG get into one and see before commenting as they are a lot different in there power/torque delivery than the older BA/BF turbos (I get to compare my FG to my dads BA turbo).

Pretty much all the reviews I've read of the FG F6 say that it's pretty laggy to come on boost and it "apparently" makes it's peak torque at 1950rpm.

If you want instant torque, get a Euro diesel.

Edit: Jason - before you do your head in, the point I'm making is, don't always believe the numbers.

well the next car i buy will be an auto, that kind of stops me flogging its guts, and im getting too old for these gear changes in traffic.

to be honest the more i think about it i want to sell the v8. it was fun for a while. but i really think b series are too heavy for the power they have.

Yea V8's these days have power figures that are huge but then the cars are getting close to weighing 2000kg and its just detracts from their agileness. Light and nippy is the way, thus R34 GT-T :D.

But yea if your having a drive of a IS250 (beautiful) also have a look at its main rival the Accord Euro, nice car.

Yea V8's these days have power figures that are huge but then the cars are getting close to weighing 2000kg and its just detracts from their agileness. Light and nippy is the way, thus R34 GT-T :D.

But yea if your having a drive of a IS250 (beautiful) also have a look at its main rival the Accord Euro, nice car.

IS250 rivals are Audi A4, Merc C Class and BMW 3 series. Honda Accord Euro doesn't come close with it's pissy, torqueless engine and shoddy interior plastics.

Pretty much all the reviews I've read of the FG F6 say that it's pretty laggy to come on boost and it "apparently" makes it's peak torque at 1950rpm.

If you want instant torque, get a Euro diesel.

Edit: Jason - before you do your head in, the point I'm making is, don't always believe the numbers.

Well i find the "lag" very minimal in my FG especially compared to the older STi's, EVO's and my old MPS3.

I just saw that you are talking about the FPV F6, they still uses the older/larger GT3582R turbo NOT the smaller, faster spooling GT3576R that the FG XR6turbo/G6Eturbos now use (although this smaller turbo does limit outright power ups to approximately 320Kw's@wheels), also a auto will help "mask" turbo lag to a certain point because the torque convertor allows the engine to stall up a bit compared to a manual.

Any turbo petrol car will have turbo "lag" to a certain point BUT the larger capacity the base engine is, the smaller that lag will be, IF the turbo is matched/sized correctly to the engine (no point putting a thumping big ass turbo on a everyday street car, hence why ford chose to fit a smaller compressor on the FG XR6T/G6ET).

Example: Go drive a ZF auto BF typhoon and then a ZF auto FG XR6Turbo, same power outputs, slightly less torque on the FG, they also have the same gearbox and diff ratios but the FG feels so much nicer and "perkier" down low its not funny.

Yeah, I guess that's why Ford put the smaller compressor wheel on the newer FG models (less lag than previous models) - boggles the mind why they didn't do the same with the FG F6 (probably for outright power)

I don't know how this helps the thread really - MAD can't afford an FG. I wonder if you could buy a BF F6 or something and fit the smaller compressor wheel from the FG turbo to reduce lag, hence giving a more immediate torque feel which is what he's after.

a guy on the ford forums wants me to test drive his BF F6 R SPEC with 14000km, $45k stock or $54k at 380rwkw

a guy on the ford forums wants me to test drive his BF F6 R SPEC with 14000km, $45k stock or $54k at 380rwkw

I raced one of those a while ago in my EVO on a roll from about 80km/h - dead even we were. They're pretty quick stock - would be mental with 380rwkw. Keith and Scotty who rode in the Typhoon said it was a bit laggy tho.

isnt the r spec different to a typhoon?

isnt the r spec different to a typhoon?

R Spec is a Typhoon with different suspension.

BTW, just looking at Carsales, I would suggest that $44k is a bit rich for a stock one, even with those amount of KMs.

On the older BA/BF models they were a bit laggy (mainly the old 4speed auto models which had a hell tall first gear) and the extra long intake piping BUT i can tell you firsthand that the new FG's have minimal lag (due in part to the slightly smaller compressor side on the turbo), hell they make max torque of 533nm from 2000-4750rpm plus the very low first gear of the 6speed autos get them off there lardy ass's quite nicely. Id much rather the low/midrange grunt of the boosted 6 over the supposidly more powerful new 290kw XR8.

Id be nice if people who havnt driven a turbo FG get into one and see before commenting as they are a lot different in there power/torque delivery than the older BA/BF turbos (I get to compare my FG to my dads BA turbo).
That's fair enough, they've gotta do something at some point to improve it. I've personally drive a BF XR6 Turbo, and a BF F6 Tornado, the XR was less laggy than the F6, but the F6 also had much more power so it may well have been something to do with the tune.

R Spec is a Typhoon with different suspension.

BTW, just looking at Carsales, I would suggest that $44k is a bit rich for a stock one, even with those amount of KMs.

yeah i was thinking the same too.

i meant it yesterday when i said that IS250 caught my eye. and for low 30k i can have an 06 with 40000km, i just dont know what mods you can do to it, or if you would even get into modding it

yeah i was thinking the same too.

i meant it yesterday when i said that IS250 caught my eye. and for low 30k i can have an 06 with 40000km, i just dont know what mods you can do to it, or if you would even get into modding it
Not much apart from the usual intake, zorst and tune. Going from a boosted 8 to a small 6 i bet you won't be happy.
I rekon you should still go for a Ford boosted 6 or a Holden V8 :)

check out the interior on this, i know it wont have the grunt, but itll turn heads

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=7246573&__Qpb=true&Cr=2&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decim al%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_S tring%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965468% 204294965467%20%20415&silo=1011&PriceTo=415&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=28&__sid=1226FE12FC12

id love this interier in a silver IS250, i just vowed id never buy a black car

Interior does look hot but Lexus to me are still an overpriced Toyota. But they will be more reliable than any Ford or Holden.

You could get the IS250 and put a 2JZGTE from a supra into it, one in the current Autosalon just like it. Heavily modified and putting out like 560kw ATW :drool:

Yeah, I guess that's why Ford put the smaller compressor wheel on the newer FG models (less lag than previous models) - boggles the mind why they didn't do the same with the FG F6 (probably for outright power)



They stayed with the larger compressor on the F6 due to turbo efficency, the smaller one starts to run out of puff (puff get it lol) after 5500rpm where as the F6 runs to 6250rpm easily.

The larger turbo makes more grunt in the top end than the smaller turbo'd FG XR6T/G6ET whereas the smaller turbo helps bottom/midrange. There thoughts were that with the FPV's being more "performance" orientated (and more often then not the F6's are powerup further by the owners) that the larger turbo was needed as max boost is able to be kept lower and thus turbo reliabilty should be better and it also achieved internal durability cycles alot easier at the higher power output that the F6 has.

There are many ways to "improve" the lag of the larger turbo's BA/BF's and FG F6's, the first is getting rid of that long inlet tract to the turbo itself (it is improved on the FG's but is still too long in the scheme of things), as has been proven by a cold feed pod directly onto the turbo.

Anyways back on topic: If ya want a family car V8, the chevy is the go if ya want force fed family 6 then the Ford is the go.

Interior does look hot but Lexus to me are still an overpriced Toyota. But they will be more reliable than any Ford or Holden.

Director of my company has one.

Been given a lift a few times and they really do ride nicely, got enough power for sitting in traffic and general commute - but as you said, going from a forced 8 to a 2.5lt 6 may not be all that great.

Apart from that, director also has a new kluger - they use the same satnav/console/entertainment system. Commented on this and he turned it off hahaha but even he says 'its just a toyota'.

If you want 20 to 40 extra hp, just do this.........:iough:

I think there's supercharger kits for the IS250 in the US...

jeebus! thats what i wanna hear