Hey Guys

Sorry to start up another bloody muffler thread, but after trawling through a bunch of other threads trying to compile who has what, it all just got too hard.

Can anyone who has an aftermarket muffler fitted to their 380 please reply in this thread with what model it is, and a quick line about their thoughts.

There are only two definitive models I have been able to identify, so if you have either of these, dont worry about replying:

Berklee BS0655
SuperCat Muffler 2.75" #BSTR003 (This is SH00T's, but I am struggling to find this on the Super Cat website)

I am really interested in what model Lukey goes on our 380's. There is a local place that does both towbars and mufflers, so am thinking of getting the same place to do both at the same time to save on labour costs - http://www.southerntowbars.com.au/ but they are a Lukey, Walker, Redback and Wildcat dealer, and I havent got a clue whether any of those mufflers are any good on our 380s. So if you guys could help out that would be great.

I also read that one member wanted a Berklee installed, but found that there wasnt enough room on his 380 as it had the stock towbar installed. Well here is my dilemma - I want a muffler and a towbar. Am I screwed?

Cheers

Jimmy

Hey Guys

Sorry to start up another bloody muffler thread, but after trawling through a bunch of other threads trying to compile who has what, it all just got too hard.

Can anyone who has an aftermarket muffler fitted to their 380 please reply in this thread with what model it is, and a quick line about their thoughts.

There are only two definitive models I have been able to identify, so if you have either of these, dont worry about replying:

Berklee BS0655
SuperCat Muffler 2.75" #BSTR003 (This is SH00T's, but I am struggling to find this on the Super Cat website)

I am really interested in what model Lukey goes on our 380's. There is a local place that does both towbars and mufflers, so am thinking of getting the same place to do both at the same time to save on labour costs - http://www.southerntowbars.com.au/ but they are a Lukey, Walker, Redback and Wildcat dealer, and I havent got a clue whether any of those mufflers are any good on our 380s. So if you guys could help out that would be great.

I also read that one member wanted a Berklee installed, but found that there wasnt enough room on his 380 as it had the stock towbar installed. Well here is my dilemma - I want a muffler and a towbar. Am I screwed?

Cheers

Jimmy

I installed the berklee with the towbar...no issues. There is more work involved in getting it fitted than having no towbar.

Thanks Braedz

I dont suppose the place that did your Berklee do towbars too do they? I really fancy saving some $ on labour costs if I can.

Cheers

J

Thanks Braedz

I dont suppose the place that did your Berklee do towbars too do they? I really fancy saving some $ on labour costs if I can.

Cheers

J

Possibly, if you want to go to Murray Bridge to get it done. I am not 100% sure if they do towbars though. The business is called Power Exhaust.

If you want to, come out to the next meet check out the sound of the berklee?

Lukey Ultra flow! They have the sound of one of these fitted to a magna on the lukey website.They have the sound of another muffler fitted to a magna also but can't remember what!

Supercat - also have a towbar.

magnaflow p/n 14829 x2 no towbar.


link (http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopexd.asp?zone=main&id=8141)

Poweflow (getting part number tomorrow) stainless muffler. $190 or so fitted, and the poweflow is much more compact than the other mufflers I have looked at, berklee in particular

Supercat - also have a towbar.

Hey Knotched, is yours the same one as SH00Ts? Is his part number correct cos I couldnt find it anywhere.

Cheers

J

I don't know - mine was fitted a number of years ago. I don't have a part number.

what is everyones thoughts on the lukeys. isn't our stock one a larger walker system anyway?

I'll let you know on Saturday. Car's booked in for 8.30am Saturday morning for a towbar and muffler. He is going to let me have a listen to a few different ones before they weld it on to see which one we like.

Cheers

J

OK, car went in this morning, and is now running a 2.5inch Lukey Ultraflow straight through - wow, throaty! Sounds nice and quiet when cruising, but when you put the boot down, grrrrrrrrr

Woohoo, just waiting for the K&N from RPW now and I'm all set

OK, car went in this morning, and is now running a 2.5inch Lukey Ultraflow straight through - wow, throaty! Sounds nice and quiet when cruising, but when you put the boot down, grrrrrrrrr

Woohoo, just waiting for the K&N from RPW now and I'm all set

Is that muffler smaller than the original one? I have a Berklee which is quite large... about the same size as the original one. Wouldn't mind something a tad deeper and definately smaller.

Hi Jimmy,what they slug you all up.I'm looking at getting a t/bar fitted shortly and might do the muffler at the same time. were you happy with these guys? Like to hear it too!

Hi Guys

Compared to the original, the Lukey is tiny!!! About half the size of the original I reckon. They also let me have a listen to the redback (dont know the model though) and both sounded about the same, although the redback was a little bit deeper. When they were showing me the mufflers, they were raw mild steel, all silvery and shiny. But when I got it home I got under the car and had a look, and they have painted all the new pipework and the muffler black. Must be to protect it from the elements which I thought was cool.

Cost all up was $580 for the towbar and muffler. $180 for the muffler, $390 for the towbar, $10 for a new towball. That includes putting the original tip back on the muffler, so it looks completely stock from the rear. Also had a wiring harness for the towbar wired inside on a long thing length of wire. So there isnt an ugly plug on the back of the car. Just unfurl it from the spare well, drape it outside the boot and close the boot on it. Havent had a good look yet, but will tomorrow.

Overall, a great job. No complaints at all, and nice folk to boot.

Cant wait for the K&N now :)

Thanks Jimmy!

[QUOTE=JimmyA;1093226]Hi Guys

Compared to the original, the Lukey is tiny!!! About half the size of the original I reckon.
/QUOTE]

Jimmy,

Sounds like the Lukey Ultraflow you have is the same or very similar to what I had fitted a few months ago.

I still have it for sale, see this thread: http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66890

Pic attached.

I had to change it because it droned like crazy, replaced it with a Berklee BS0655 and was much happier.

Easiest way to test yours for drone is to find a road with a bit of a slope, and go up it in fourth gear at a constant 2,000 rpm (indicated 60 km/h in my manual, I'm guessing 65 to 70 km/h in an auto).

PS - I also have the factory heavy duty towbar for sale, you could have got it a lot cheaper than $390 from me, and I'm in SA too. Too late now though.

KJ.

bugga

Hi KJ,will that t/bar of yours fit a VRX rear bar?Not to sure of the difference if any between bars besides looks!

Witewalzs,

Yep, I'm 99% sure it will fit.

Sold my old Berklee BS0655 to a member here, Braedz.
When he came around to pick it up we had a look under his rear bar to see if it would fit with his tow bar still on, because the mob who fitted it for me said it wouldn't fit without removing the tow bar.
Braedz' tow bar looked identical to mine, and his is a VRX, so my tow bar should fit no sweat on your VRX.
And of course Braedz now tells me he got the Berklee fitted without having to remove the tow bar! Never going back to that dodgy mob again, especially now I've found a good exhaust guy who doesn't charge like a wounded bull.

I'll bump my for sale listing and even drop the price a little for you.

KJ.

Just PM'd ya KJ!

Has any one ever tried to fit the diamante vrx muffler to a 380??? None of the large straight through mufflers {berklee etc} are available in my neck of the woods. Any thoughts on whether it would fit. :hmm:

I will be going for a redback when I get the time (and money lol). I am chasing straight thru performance with no added noise or at least as little as possible. I have been quoted around $240 fitted with tip. Apparently these are better made than the berkeley mufflers. Time will tell I guess

Has anyone had any improvement with fuel economy with a straight thru muffler?

Any issues with CEL after installation?

Has anyone had any improvement with fuel economy with a straight thru muffler?

Any issues with CEL after installation?

I have had an improvement in economy with the straight through muffler with everyday normal driving. You shouldnt get any CELs with a muffler change, I am pretty sure no one has received any. The only time that you may receive a CEL is when you replace the headers.

Thanks for the reply Braedz. I thought that might be the case with the CEL.

Do you know how much more economical the muffler has made the car? Any figures?

Fuel economy improved by about .5 of litre with just the muffler. With the galant intake and muffler, fuel economy improved by around 1.4 litres. I used to average high 12s stock and now I am averaging low 11s or high 10s.

Good news. Thanks Braedz.

I just got the redback muffler on . part number PX H743M. For those of you that are, like myself, interested in a straight through without the noise, this looks like the deal. There is a slightly deeper note to it when you start and under load, but nothing intrusive at all. In fact on the freeway or just cruising you wouldn't pick it from the standard one. I have only had it on for a few k's so I will have to give a better evaluation in a couple of weeks. I have noticed slightly better power and response too.
I know Feff and Chris V were interested.

Did you get the third cat removed as well matey?
what was the costing as this is something I have being looking at

Did you get the third cat removed as well matey?
what was the costing as this is something I have being looking at
3rd Cat removal?!!

WHAT WHERE WHEN HOW WHO?

Yep 380 has 3 cat convertors!

final one is redundant as the two precats do all the hard work

Yep 380 has 3 cat convertors!

final one is redundant as the two precats do all the hard work
Have not seen that one in the forums before..

Ok. Differences in:
Power?
Fuel economy?
Cost of removal?
Thanks..Mecha

You obviously missed all the chats about this...
Some people here removed the third cat, while others fitted aftermarket headers without the primary cats therefore leaving only the original third cat - but then replaced that (as it's not too good anyway) with a higher flowing one.
Just bear in mind that the 3 cats, useless overkill or not, were fitted to comply with emissions regs - so removing any is illegal ($$$$ if caught), but don't let me stop you (just letting you know). As long as it isn't too loud, no one will ever notice (hopefully).
As for your questions (I haven't actually done this, and hopefully someone like Knotched can help you further) but I recall people confirming slightly improved economy and far greater performance.

You obviously missed all the chats about this...
Some people here removed the third cat, while others fitted aftermarket headers without the primary cats therefore leaving only the original third cat - but then replaced that (as it's not too good anyway) with a higher flowing one.
Just bear in mind that the 3 cats, useless overkill or not, were fitted to comply with emissions regs - so removing any is illegal ($$$$ if caught), but don't let me stop you (just letting you know). As long as it isn't too loud, no one will ever notice (hopefully).
As for your questions (I haven't actually done this, and hopefully someone like Knotched can help you further) but I recall people confirming slightly improved economy and far greater performance.

Thanks Grubco. Very interesting. Will do some more thread searching..

The primary cats ensure the 380 complies with Euro3 emissions. The third cat is for back pressure only and not required for the emissions target ADR for the 380.

Knotched knows he has had it done

I am just going follow his foot steps

The primary cats ensure the 380 complies with Euro3 emissions. The third cat is for back pressure only and not required for the emissions target ADR for the 380.

Just wondering where that info came from as i know wink wink a mitsu service centre employee who said that it is required for the emissions as the break down process is done in two stages, and removing the second cat (calling the manifold pair one) removes the second stage of this process obviously.
not saying you wrong but am interested to see where your info as previously id thought along a similar line to you.

I believe that info came from a fella involved in the R&D at MMAL. The 3rd was left there as the tune had already been set in concrete and was to expensive to have rectified after it was found the motor met emissions without the 3rd in place.

I believe that info came from a fella involved in the R&D at MMAL. The 3rd was left there as the tune had already been set in concrete and was to expensive to have rectified after it was found the motor met emissions without the 3rd in place.

yeah thats exactly what i thought the situation was, the third one only being there because it was easier to leave than remove. i guess the only way to get this tested would be to remove it and then get an emissions test done and see if its the same/similar or vastly different result. quite expensive.

I think it was Jasons VRX
(I could be wrong)

To remove it Bosch were going to charge an arm and a leg to remap it so it stayed

Why would removing 3rd cat require re mapping? Would this mean the car would run poorly if it was removed, and finally why would you want to add back pressure isnt that what we are trying to elliminate. Im confused

I will try and dig up the post

edit:found it


380 exhaust manifolds are stainless steel clam shell design ( 2 halves, upper and lower welded together with flange plates), then the cat is welded to it. The 3rd cat isn't a cat as previously noted it's there only to keep thhe exhauust back pressure the same as when the cat was fitted. It was found late in development that it wasn't needed but to delete it would have required a full engine remap and Bosch wanted to shaft MMAL for that so MMAL went the low cost white brick rout.

Dave TJ was one of the workers at MMAL

Has anyone notice that the ECU takes some time to adjust after exhaust/muffler has been fitted? It would seem to effect power somewhat and less back pressure which would lead me to believe it would change. out to those who have done it.
Hey Mecha that is really interesting about the cat. Perhaps if you had a piggy back you could remap that, perhaps. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has a single system with the 3rd cat removed

Knotch has had it done and I am in the process of getting it done in the next couple of weeks

Hey Knotched did you have any problems with it? what about noise, power, economy differences?
Mecha I will stayed tuned for your updates with eager anticipation!!

Hey Knotched did you have any problems with it? what about noise, power, economy differences?
Mecha I will stayed tuned for your updates with eager anticipation!!

And Feff also..

I fitted RPW extractors a few months ago, which obviously got rid of the two pre-cats. I had a dual exhaust fitted at the same time.

I ran around like that for about a month or so, then I replaced the stock third cat with a Zetti 200 CPI hi-flow cat.

TBH, I didn't notice much difference in performance, noise etc after fitting the Zetti. Maybe a slight increase in noise from the extractors/cat part of the exhaust system, but a 'good' noise not a 'bad' noise. Hard to explain, but at WOT it's a metallic paper-tearing noise, not loud but sounds really good to me. I'd say it's mainly down to the extractors, maybe a little due to the new third cat. Plus there is a bit of induction roar and exhaust noise, so under WOT I have three sources of 'extra' noise compared to stock, and it can be hard to separate them and pin point which part of the noise is due to which mods.

Also, the hi-flow third cat may have contributed a bit to my good dyno result three months ago, although there has been a fair bit of doubt expressed here about that result.

Too late now to do a stock third cat vs hi-flow third cat dyno run, but that's probably the only way to tell if going to a hi-flow third cat makes any real difference to power or torque.

KJ.

Too late now to do a stock third cat vs hi-flow third cat dyno run, but that's probably the only way to tell if going to a hi-flow third cat makes any real difference to power or torque.

KJ.

Will let you know...my extractors are on order.

I hope they are worth it.:hmm:

My exhaust was done straight off the bat with no third cat and no 90mm intake. I had it dynoed after for 136 KW ATW (see Dyno Charts).
I think removing the third cat would only make a small difference; worthwhile if you are doing the whole exhaust mod but not by itself.

It certainly had no adverse effects i.e. no CEL warnings.

Removing the front primary cats gives a much greater gain.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Mecha and how he goes.
Hey Knotched did you put 2 high flow cats on the front and got rid of the OEM ones?

It will be interesting to see what happens with Mecha and how he goes.
Hey Knotched did you put 2 high flow cats on the front and got rid of the OEM ones?

I'll answer this for you Knotched, hope you don't mind!

Matey,

The stock 380 pre-cats are an integral part of the stock exhaust manifolds, you can't remove them without removing the manifolds.

AFAIK there are only two ways to get rid of the pre-cats. Replace the stock exhaust manifolds with extractors/headers, as I have done, or replace them with 3.5 (6G74) exhaust manifolds (maybe 3.0 6G72 will work as well, dunno for sure). According to Alan J this can be done, but they won't mate up to the stock 380 exhaust flanges so you would have to do some more work yet, such as get someone to make up some tubing with flanges etc. I don't think anyone here has gone this route.

KJ.

I'll answer this for you Knotched, hope you don't mind!

Matey,

The stock 380 pre-cats are an integral part of the stock exhaust manifolds, you can't remove them without removing the manifolds.

AFAIK there are only two ways to get rid of the pre-cats. Replace the stock exhaust manifolds with extractors/headers, as I have done, or replace them with 3.5 (6G74) exhaust manifolds (maybe 3.0 6G72 will work as well, dunno for sure). According to Alan J this can be done, but they won't mate up to the stock 380 exhaust flanges so you would have to do some more work yet, such as get someone to make up some tubing with flanges etc. I don't think anyone here has gone this route.

KJ.

So what did you do for cats?

The cats are removed. Either by:
A) The first two cats are deleted when the factory headers and replaced by aftermarket headers, and the third cat is replaced with a higher flowing one.
or
B) The first two cats and headers are left in place, and the third one is removed.

The cats are removed. Either by:
A) The first two cats are deleted when the factory headers are replaced by aftermarket headers, and the third cat is replaced with a higher flowing one.
or
B) The first two cats and headers are left in place, and the third one is removed.

Yep, I went option A.

KJ.

Me thinks you would get pinged on emissions if they were removed, correct? The 3rd appears redundent but the primary two wouldn't be.

I went to the exhaust shop that did my rear muffler and the guy simply said don't do it. Big bucks for me if caught and bigger bucks for him if it got back to him. He wouldn't touch it, despite the discussions here which I mentioned. I'm not climbing up on my high horse; if you want to do it, go for it.

I have a magnaflow fitted to my 380.Not too loud.A nice quiet growl.Cost me just under $200.00

I have a magnaflow fitted to my 380.Not too loud.A nice quiet growl.Cost me just under $200.00

Nice work. Did you get any performance gain?

I have a redback PX-H743M. It is a straight through but not noisy, in fact cruising on the hwy you cant hear it at all. Not drone but a nice, subtle note under load or power. For us ol farts who still like something a little on the sporty side.

I have a redback PX-H743M. It is a straight through but not noisy, in fact cruising on the hwy you cant hear it at all. Not drone but a nice, subtle note under load or power. For us ol farts who still like something a little on the sporty side.

This sounds a goer to me. I had a redback on my TE for years and I loved the not-too-loud sound. Did you keep the stock tip? How much did you pay?

I actually have a spare muffler in my garage that used to be on my Camry. Only about a year old. I can't remember what it is though. Berklee maybe. Was too loud for my liking though. I wonder if it would fit 380's/Magna's - might look at selling it..

This sounds a goer to me. I had a redback on my TE for years and I loved the not-too-loud sound. Did you keep the stock tip? How much did you pay?

I actually have a spare muffler in my garage that used to be on my Camry. Only about a year old. I can't remember what it is though. Berklee maybe. Was too loud for my liking though. I wonder if it would fit 380's/Magna's - might look at selling it..

I paid $240 and you cant reuse the tip off the 380 muffler. I kept the old one too including flange.

I paid $240 and you cant reuse the tip off the 380 muffler. I kept the old one too including flange.

I am pretty sure there are a few here that used the stock tip to keep the stock look?

Iv still got the Series II 07 Platinum muffler, including tip, sitting here at home wrapped in plastic.

I am pretty sure there are a few here that used the stock tip to keep the stock look?

Absolutely. But some ppl might be talking the standard tip not the VRX/GT which is chrome. The latter looks really good and doesn't need replacing.

I have a VRX and they said that it couldnt be taken off and put on the new muffler. I would be interested in knowing if anyone has got the chrome oval end off theirs

I have a VRX and they said that it couldnt be taken off and put on the new muffler. I would be interested in knowing if anyone has got the chrome oval end off theirs

Yup
I had my chrome tip fitted to my new muffler

Yup
I had my chrome tip fitted to my new muffler

Damn!! That would have saved a few bucks and probably looked better to boot!

Dan the legend from Custom Pipeworx put a new muffler on my cat back system yesterday and this is the second time I have re used my original oval tip from my 07 SX :)

I have a redback PX-H743M. It is a straight through but not noisy, in fact cruising on the hwy you cant hear it at all. Not drone but a nice, subtle note under load or power. For us ol farts who still like something a little on the sporty side.
My straight through which I had fitted about 6 months ago is getting just a bit droney when the auto changes upto 5th early at about 60kph
If I use the tippy to change back down to 4th its fine. Its just in that rev band in 5th.
Other speeds are fine and motorway its barely audible.
I reckon its a carbon build up which has just slightly changed the ressonance?
Anyone else get this?

My Berklee has def got louder but not a hint of drone. Mine is a manual though which apparently dont tend to drone as much as an auto.

Im hoping to order my two new mufflers from Magnoflow in the coming weeks. Part number is 14807 for those interested.

a lot of the guys running the berkelees were complaining that they got louder as they got older (or their missus' did lol) that is why I went for the Redback as it is made from heavier gauge material and is quiter to start off with. I would be interested to hear Matt's thoughts on the magnaflow mufflers and of course the cost.

Im hoping to order my two new mufflers from Magnoflow in the coming weeks. Part number is 14807 for those interested.

Good looking muffler with twin polished SS tips, see here: http://magnaflowplanet.com/product.php?productid=6078

Not exactly cheap though (and I'm pretty sure the price quoted is $US).

What worries me the most is the (smallish) size, 14" x 8" x 5".

In my experience there's a strong possibilty of annoying drone with that size straight through muffler, even with two of them.

Hope for your sake Matt they don't drone.

If they don't drone I might look into a pair myself, so I'm interested in your report Matt.

KJ.

They look nice! A pair of them, with 4 pipes, on your 380 will look real sexy! But is the original bumper exhaust arch-thing wide enough to fit twin pipes?

um one word no! not my cuppa tea on a 380.

I reckon it would have more drone than a hive of bees!! IMHO

They look nice! A pair of them, with 4 pipes, on your 380 will look real sexy! But is the original bumper exhaust arch-thing wide enough to fit twin pipes?

No the original arch wont be big enough to fit them so there will have to be some more modifying of the rear bumper.

hey guys, sorry to hijack.. i have a te magna with a sports muffler.. I get a lot of drone, so much so my gf hates driving in my car on long trips. She says its like being exposed to heavy machinery which will make me deaf.. :) Anyway, my question is: if i replace with original as i still have it, would i have to retune engine or anything like that? Or is there any way to minimize the drone?

hey guys, sorry to hijack.. i have a te magna with a sports muffler.. I get a lot of drone, so much so my gf hates driving in my car on long trips. She says its like being exposed to heavy machinery which will make me deaf.. :) Anyway, my question is: if i replace with original as i still have it, would i have to retune engine or anything like that? Or is there any way to minimize the drone?

Yeah should be no problems putting the original muffler back on - and you wouldn't need any retune unless you've done some radical engine work. Your original muffler would be very very quiet with next-to no noise at all. I'm guessing you still like a little bit of noise... go to a good muffler shop and tell them you want a muffler with a nice note but no drone.
Or failing or this, ask people in the 3rd Gen section; they'd know what's what.

Yeah should be no problems putting the original muffler back on - and you wouldn't need any retune unless you've done some radical engine work. Your original muffler would be very very quiet with next-to no noise at all. I'm guessing you still like a little bit of noise... go to a good muffler shop and tell them you want a muffler with a nice note but no drone.
Or failing or this, ask people in the 3rd Gen section; they'd know what's what.

thanx Grubco. Don't really wanna buy a new muffler.. I luv the sound, however have to concer with gf that for a long trip its a bit loud.. :(

Mate I also have a TE. I put a vrx factory muffler on about 6 months ago and its PERFECT not loud and no drone at all. The best feature was the power increase I got just from fitting a muffler:facejump: I cant rave enough about this muffler.

Dozens of threads and hundreds of posts in the 3rd gen section about the VRX muffler, which is a Lukey LR2779.

KJ.

Ok fire away and call me a NOOB

OK lads I may be getting a new rear box

question is which magnaflow do I get ???

just single pipe but I dont want drone but a Bark when I put a boot in to it

what is the pipe size 2.5 or 2.75 ??? I have NFI but I will get a free flowing exhaust might be straight through or one with a slight bend???

BTW I need to know by MONDAY if POSSIBLE

the standard pipe is 2.5 inch.

this is what i use

magnaflow p/n 14829 x2 no towbar.


link (http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopexd.asp?zone=main&id=8141)

As far as I know, no one here changed the size of their pipe - just the actual rear muffler itself. Regardless of the brands (each seems to have different reputations and characteristics), what you actually want is a straight-through muffler to enable your exhaust to flow freely (standard muffler has 2 bends in it, like a S shape).

IMHO a single Magnaflow p/n 14829 will be fairly loud and very droney, especially on an auto.

It's measurements are 14" long x 8" x 5".

I recommend the Berklee BS0655, which is much bigger (20" x 10" x 6"), just over twice the volume (1200 cubic inches v 560 cubic inches).

You need a big muffler like this with any 6G motor & single system to avoid the dreaded drone.

Check it out at http://www.bestmufflers.com/bshop/product_info.php?cPath=343_344_500&products_id=602&osCsid=12639099bf041f2b9e1857cff5b871f0

It's a true straight through design and gives a significant performance increase over the stock muffler. Also a nice note higher in the rev range and a gentle burble at idle, but just as quiet as the stocker when cruising. Most importantly, no drone at all.

It's also a bit cheaper than the Magnaflow.

The downside is that it's constructed of mild steel, not stainless, and there are reports that it wears out / rusts out after three or four years.

KJ.

OK so bigger is BETTER

Thanks for the link too

I could always get a berklee and rustcoat it

Wears out rusts through after 3-4 years? I find that hard to believe......Only way your going to actually rust a muffler out is constant short trips where it doesnt get hot enough to evaporate the condensation in the exhaust system, happened to my grandparents TE...only did 38K before it rusted out the exhaust system from the cat back.

that muffler with normal driving should see 15 years +

The Berklee I had on my old TH didnt quite make 3 years because the car rarely travelled more the 10kms after starting. The exhaust guy said the muffler would practically have had water in it all the time as it didnt heat up enough to evaporate. Gee it sounded good when it first rusted out, really deep but still no drone....I was tempted to keep driving it for a while like that due to the sound it made:D:D

I believe the Supercat is another option, I know Knotched runs one & it has a bark with no drone. (I've driven it)

I have dual HUGE Supercats & it sounds awesome! ...... especially with the blower whine :badgrin:

I have the Redback Str8 thru muffler on. It is nice and quiet on the highway but has a sporty growl when you sink the boot into it. It is also a better grade of material and thicker than the berkelee (read will last longer). I did list the part number on the thread somewhere.