Greetings all!

I've been looking around and found out that the 4 speed tippy is really not suited to the Magna's, and for better performance (keep in mind I'm not planning to super mod my car to oblivion or get 14secs down the 1/4), the 5 speed VRX/Sports Tranny's are superior and second to none. "Best in the business" as Drive calls it.

Now I'm wondering if it is at all possible and how much would it cost to install? I've seen a few 5 speed gearboxes go for $400-500 at jolly's, ebay etc and wondering how much more could it cost to install it, and whether it can be done by a non-transmission specialist? Would the performance increase by much? Is it worth it? My mate is mits mechanic so he could probably help me with the conversion, but is it a simple bolt on or does it need serious work?

Now I'm sure I'm going to get inundated with posts about upgrading to a manual gearbox and all, but personally after the last 3 years of driving manuals I'm really over them. I can't see too much point when it comes to performance as a good autobox with better off than a manual due to the perfect timing of the gears (correct me if I'm wrong). Manuals are great to for controlling wheelspin yada yada, but I just don't see the point of always having to change gears, especially since I drive to uni everyday in Caulfield, and peak hour isn't fun in a manual. So unless it super superior to the 5speed tippy I'm not overly interested.

I must say the 5speed still has very decent performance indeed. After sitting in Amin's car (Those at last thursday night's meet with know what I mean ;) lol ) I can see that they do have good potential and performance.

How much can I sell my 4speed 100,000km used tippy for do we reakon?

Thanks all!

How much can I sell my 4speed 100,000km used tippy for do we reakon?
I sold my 120,000 km 4-spd tippy for $400 if i remember correctly. But remember the only difference between a normal 4-spd auto and a 4-spd tippy auto is the gear shifter assembly and the TCU.

Ask Amin how much of a difference it really makes compared to a 4 speed tippy in the real world, he'll know what Im talking about. Plus this has been looked into by a few before and it really isnt an easy or worthwhile thing to do when considering the price of a VRX or Sports magna these days.

I would be interested to do this...change from normal 4 speed aut to 5 speed auto...is the conversion straight forward...is it something that a Mitsubishi service centre could do, or an auto transmission specialist? And any one know how much it would cost....sorry if I sound like a noob dont know much about gearboxes.

Can be done

You will not get a trans for under low to mid $1000's

You will need engine harness, ecu and if you are not getting the immob removed then need bem and key set from donor car

The trans is a bolt in operation and if you want to complete the job a 5 speed cluster and dash harness will be the nice end to the job

5 Speed trans also have larger shafts going into the trans, the pass side shaft and the drivers side intermediate shaft will need to be upgraded as well

Ask Amin how much of a difference it really makes compared to a 4 speed tippy in the real world, he'll know what Im talking about.

So you're saying that it really isn't that big of a difference? I sat in Amin's car, and it went pretty hard. Probably mostly due to his mods, but I did think that if I was to begin modding my car it'd be worth getting a better gearbox. How bad is the 4speed compared to the 5? Noticeable difference?



Plus this has been looked into by a few before and it really isnt an easy or worthwhile thing to do when considering the price of a VRX or Sports magna these days.

Well I just bought my car for 10K, and the nearest VRX is 11K, and my car would've suffered serious depreciation because I bought from a dealer. The dealer prices are about 1-1.5K higher than private. Plus I'm low as on cash, only reason for making this thread is to find out how much out-of-pocket expenses the conversion will be, so I know how much to budget. Simply said, I'm not selling and buying a new car - too much hassle, I just went through it 2 months ago, and don't wanna do it again for a while. My car is in top nick, who knows what lemon I might buy.

I have all the parts you will need here

Have the trans, ecu, bem, engine harness, full lock/key set and if you are wanting it done as well may be able to assist there

PM me if you are interested.

I do not have a cluster at the moment but that having been said, that can change at any time

Can be done

You will not get a trans for under low to mid $1000's

Really? I thought jolly's were selling them for $500 - no? Here's a motor and gearbox for $999 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MAGNA-TH-to-TW-VRX-3-5-MOTOR-5-SP-AUTO-69-000-KMS_W0QQitemZ160358745014QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item25562043b6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)



You will need engine harness, ecu and if you are not getting the immob removed then need bem and key set from donor car

The trans is a bolt in operation and if you want to complete the job a 5 speed cluster and dash harness will be the nice end to the job

5 Speed trans also have larger shafts going into the trans, the pass side shaft and the drivers side intermediate shaft will need to be upgraded as well


So with that all in mind it could well be costing me in excess of 2K? That's really expensive considering I've seen manual conversions for $900. Wouldn't have thought that an auto would cost less (due to no direct access to clutch. How much would I actually be out of pocket if I can sell my gear?

Thanks!

I have all the parts you will need here

Have the trans, ecu, bem, engine harness, full lock/key set and if you are wanting it done as well may be able to assist there



How much for the lot? I'm happy to trade you my current gear. I've got a 4 speed that's only been used for a 100,000k's and previous owners treated it well. (Really nice and smooth ;) )

I would probably need about a month, maybe month and a half to get all the money together.

Auto's are much more expensive due to the massive repair costs. Have you ever had to pay the bill for a reco auto, can be over 2.5k

Manual conversion parts for around 900 perhaps but not drive in drive out

As for the one on e-bay, unless you see the car it came from, i would not touch it as it could also be 269k's lol

To be honest, am not really interested in trading old parts as I have to then try and sell them lol

Better off selling exec, while still stock, and just buying a 5sp dude.

;1112020']Better off selling exec, while still stock, and just buying a 5sp dude.

Mate, I'd be lucky to get 8.5K for my car. Remember I bought it off a dealer, and they charge more than the car's worth. I'd make a loss, and I don't have the cash to recover the loss and still buy a VRX/Sports edition. I was planning to on saving some dosh, depending on the cost of the 5speed conversion, and later down the road converting.

By the time I save the money my car would loose value again, and the gap would be bigger again..... no chance of buying a vrx again.....

Well if the conversion's gonna cost my over 2k out of pocket, I'll give up on it and instead just get the manual conversion when I'm ready to switch back, but otherwise if its maybe $500-800 I'll seriously considering doing it in the next few months when I get the money together. Could be a while tho.

Mate, I'd be lucky to get 8.5K for my car. Remember I bought it off a dealer, and they charge more than the car's worth. I'd make a loss, and I don't have the cash to recover the loss and still buy a VRX/Sports edition. I was planning to on saving some dosh, depending on the cost of the 5speed conversion, and later down the road converting.

By the time I save the money my car would loose value again, and the gap would be bigger again..... no chance of buying a vrx again.....

Well if the conversion's gonna cost my over 2k out of pocket, I'll give up on it and instead just get the manual conversion when I'm ready to switch back, but otherwise if its maybe $500-800 I'll seriously considering doing it in the next few months when I get the money together. Could be a while tho.

I know mate, I didnt say VRX! I meant a 5sp..

Personally I'd be selling up and buying this right now
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=6774357&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|1|| pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434

If thats not your taste;

TJ VRX Lowered with wheels 5sp auto
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7102961&__Qpb=true&Cr=10&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|1|| pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434

TJ VRX 5sp in VIC
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=6578637&__Qpb=true&Cr=2&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434

Another one (QLD)
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7572190&__Qpb=true&Cr=7&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434

TL ES Lowered rims stereo (not bad (QLD))
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=5842136&__Qpb=true&Cr=12&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434


if you got $8K for your car which to the right buyer you can get (hard but not impossible) Its just a stonesthrow away from a better one :) Just keep saving those pennies

just one more note

if doing the 5 speed conversion i believe the 5 speed has different mounting position/bracket compared to the 4 speed transmission.

reason I'm saying this is because when i went to get a new engine mount for the auto side there are 2 different mounts 1 for the 4 speed and 1 for the 5 speeds.

So you're saying that it really isn't that big of a difference? I sat in Amin's car, and it went pretty hard. Probably mostly due to his mods, but I did think that if I was to begin modding my car it'd be worth getting a better gearbox. How bad is the 4speed compared to the 5? Noticeable difference?



He also just recently got a tune and has over 140kw atw which is probably close to 20kw more than a stock VRX and close to 30kw more than a stock exec. Im thinkin thats probably the biggest thing you would have noticed.

;1112052']I know mate, I didnt say VRX! I meant a 5sp..

Personally I'd be selling up and buying this right now
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=6774357&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|1|| pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434

If thats not your taste;

TJ VRX Lowered with wheels 5sp auto
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7102961&__Qpb=true&Cr=10&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|1|| pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434

TJ VRX 5sp in VIC
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=6578637&__Qpb=true&Cr=2&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434

Another one (QLD)
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7572190&__Qpb=true&Cr=7&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434

TL ES Lowered rims stereo (not bad (QLD))
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=5842136&__Qpb=true&Cr=12&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294964597%20408%204294964374&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=435&__sid=121F53A44434


if you got $8K for your car which to the right buyer you can get (hard but not impossible) Its just a stonesthrow away from a better one :) Just keep saving those pennies

Thanks for finding the cars there Tuffy. :) Going through the whole sale process is just a real pain in the rear end. Having get the car checked, then spending the money on the car to get it roadworthy and selling costs ($50 carsales add etc), and finally waiting weeks and weeks with no certainty when and if the car will sell. Its something that I'd really prefer not to go through if I don't need too.

Its just I'm going to have a hard time justifying to everyone why I've suddenly decided to sell up and buy another car. I wouldn't hear the end of it in my family. Parents would go nuts at me. Again, who knows what I buy - could be a lemon or a botched up car. My current car I'm certain about. Its in top nick and its from a dealer with an extra 9 months warranty. Its just too much hassle, if I can mod my car a little bit. Really the only thing the vrx/sports has is the gearbox and the muffler. If it that will cost less than 1.5-2K, then why not just upgrade mine?!

If I saved up let say $2000, my car by then would be worth much less than 8K. It would take me the better part of 3-5 months to get that kind of cash. The current gap is around 2K b/w a 5sp and my car, surely a 5 speed autobox conversion wouldn't cost over 2k?

I might have to give up on this idea. I still have no idea how much out-of-pocket expenses would be. A good ballpark figure would be very helpful.

Honestly - if you want to make the car quicker, get a manual. The 5 speed auto is still going to be a slushbox which would typically lose 1s for the 0-100 sprint over a manual. Why bother? If you don't want to deal with a manual in peak hour traffic... well, good luck to you.

*edit - the warranty from the dealer will probably not include the gearbox being replaced with something else hence any associated drivetrain issues would be met with "you're dreaming".

The 5sp auto makes the car a lot more drivable than the 4sp, particularly around the 40-70km/h region on acceleration which tends to be a major flat spot in the 4sp's and also the most common area I at the very least find myself trying to pickup speed from. That said its very exxy to do the conversion and for the most part not worth the money spent, I looked into it a while ago and it honestly was more expensive than you really could say was worth it for the benefits.

Try driving one back to back with your own and see what you think.

Honestly - if you want to make the car quicker, get a manual. The 5 speed auto is still going to be a slushbox which would typically lose 1s for the 0-100 sprint over a manual. Why bother?

Main reason because the car is still being used for daily driving, and I drive to uni which is inner city, and the manual is annoying in peak hour traffic. I'm not an absolute performance nut, so I'm not planning to drag down the 1/4 mile. But I was planning to chuck on some small performance mods and thought maybe a good mod would be actually chuck in a new gearbox. Maybe it was a little far fetched, but I thought if its a few hundred dollars, then why not upgrade to a better and much nicer autobox.

At this stage in my life I'm just planning on what to do in the future, not exactly right now because I'm poorer than a church rat.

I'm really enjoying the pleasures of auto - free hand, easier driving, smooth ride, less work, (can eat and drive :P). So if I really don't have too I wouldn't. But by the sounds of it, the 5 speed doesn't sound so impressive as I originally thought. If its still 1 second off a manual, I can't imagine what the 4 speed would be.

Guess so. I find autos annoying full stop, so that's personal preference. Not like it's hard to drive a manual ultra-smoothly when you need/want to.

keep what you got till you need something bigger and stronger... if you just want the wank factor of the trippy its bit costly... do some simple mods and get some power increases you will be happy if ur not chasing big power figures... type40 did a good write up in a thread about simple cheap mods for 3 gens

Could consider this I suppose...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MAGNA-TH-to-TW-VRX-3-5-MOTOR-5-SP-AUTO-69-000-KMS_W0QQitemZ160358745014QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item25562043b6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_882wt_1007

Could consider this I suppose...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MAGNA-TH-to-TW-VRX-3-5-MOTOR-5-SP-AUTO-69-000-KMS_W0QQitemZ160358745014QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item25562043b6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_882wt_1007

Thanks :) but I did quote that earlier on. Unless on can inspect the car itself its anyone's guess how many k's it has clocked up. For all we know if could be a 300,000 k motor ! lol

I might skip the whole 4speed to 5speed conversion idea. The 5speed is nice and all, but it'll be alot of work for not so much gain considering my investment will still be slower than a manual. I figure the 4sp is still pretty decent, plenty of users run off it around here and they live. I may at some stage in the future covert to manual, but at this stage with my daily putt-putt around town, I think the 4sp should serve me well enough.

Thank you again for everyone who posted! I really do appreciate the advise alot :)