I don't know much about wheels at all so i thought i'd ask here before giving up and just buying another pair.

I just picked up a pair of nice konig unknowns from a forum member here, the front two 8"s fit fine, but the rear two 9.5"s don't clear the upper control arm (i think thats what its called, slender bent arm coming from top of vehicle down to brake assembly).

Someone here mentioned that you can possibly mod the control arm or play with camber to get them to fit? Is this true, and if so, could anyone please explain to me how/where this could be done.

My car is a 1997 Verada KF XI. Rims came from a Ralliart.

Thank guys,

Ali

I don't know much about wheels at all so i thought i'd ask here before giving up and just buying another pair.

I just picked up a pair of nice konig unknowns from a forum member here, the front two 8"s fit fine, but the rear two 9.5"s don't clear the upper control arm (i think thats what its called, slender bent arm coming from top of vehicle down to brake assembly).

Someone here mentioned that you can possibly mod the control arm or play with camber to get them to fit? Is this true, and if so, could anyone please explain to me how/where this could be done.

My car is a 1997 Verada KF XI. Rims came from a Ralliart.

Thank guys,

Ali

i said that, just a though... how did dainese make them fit his car? Becuase im sure i saw them on his car. Maybe the upper control arm (not sure if thats the right name) is different on the ralliart? Madmagna is the man to ask for this stuff

Spacers in the rear?

I think the Ralliart had a different rear brake hat height to start with so maybe start looking there... could be a different hub assembly?

Spacers in the rear?

thats another option, whats the gap like to the guards though?

Those unknowns are sexual!

I'd swap ya for my osaka rims :P

Yeahi bought them from dainese and yes they came from his ralliart. I'm assuming ralliarts have a different suspension setup going/ different arm. Only mod he said he needed was to roll the flares, i have no flares and the guards should clear it no problem, just the control arm thats getting in the way.

Regarding the spacers, thats what the tyre guys mentioned, they said its illegal but my main worry is that i'm 90% sure the wheels will jut out of the vehicle profile which i don't want (and is also illegal afaik).

Hey liverpool, got pics?

Yeah they looked sick on dainese's car judging from the pics. Probably won't look as good on mine but should still have worked half well with my black tint/white paint job.

pics

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/Ashneel911/R34/DSC_0094.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/Ashneel911/R34/DSC_0097.jpg

you'll need a VRX rear control arm, bit that sits behind the top of the wheel attached to the car/suspension cant remember which and the rear sub frame
if you look under the rear arch you'll see the bit im talking about
also is your car lowered at all?

Yeah that sounds exactly like what i saw today. How much would it costroughly to get a pair of those fitted?

No it hasn't been lowered BUT i've noticed it seems to sit much lower than stock. Most likely this is because i have an 80l lpg tank in the boot... Do you think this could be another issue? I thought that any size rim/tyre combo i'd get would have same overall outer dimensions as the original stockies so that wouldn't really matter.

Like Mr_Roberto said, VR-Xs/Ralliarts had different rear control arms. If I recall correctly, EGO had a similar issue after his VR-X control arm was replaced with a standard control arm - his rim simply wouldn't fit.

Like Mr_Roberto said, VR-Xs/Ralliarts had different rear control arms. If I recall correctly, EGO had a similar issue after his VR-X control arm was replaced with a standard control arm - his rim simply wouldn't fit.

You mean rear "knuckle". This is the main "forged arm" that the upper control arm, trailing arm, lower arm and toe control arm bolt to.

The ralliarts, VRX's and GTV (GTVi) that had factory fit 17" rims used a "knuckle" that had a larger bend in it to give more tyre clearance

I'm pretty sure I fitted these rims to my 03 TJII Advance. maybe the knuckles were "upgraded" on the later models...?

I'm pretty sure I fitted these rims to my 03 TJII Advance. maybe the knuckles were "upgraded" on the later models...?

Ya can fit the ralliart/VRX/GTV (GTVi) 17" rims to the other model magna/veradas, its just that MMAL use a +46 offset for there alloy rims on the magna/veradas which makes the tyre close to touching the "knuckle" when the factory 17's are fitted. Hence why MMAL designed a newer knuckle with a different bend in it to make more clearance for the 17' with 225 tyres.

Hope that makes sense.

Anyway if your fitting aftermarket rims the offset is normally around the +32 to +40 range so this actually moves the tyre/rim away from the knuckle BUT closer to the outer guard.

when i had 245s on my 99 verada (19"x8" rims) they scrapped the rear suspension arms or "knuckles" lol

I was going to replace the suspension arms to TJ VRX ones but ended up just getting a smaller rim/tyre combination.

your 9.5" wide rims will most likely foul on your

So in answer to your question, don't mod the existing arms, try and source some TJ VRX ones. ;)

You mean rear "knuckle". This is the main "forged arm" that the upper control arm, trailing arm, lower arm and toe control arm bolt to.

The ralliarts, VRX's and GTV (GTVi) that had factory fit 17" rims used a "knuckle" that had a larger bend in it to give more tyre clearance

FFS!!! I assume this is why my old 235/45 17 tyres rubbed on the control arms i take it?

Ya can fit the ralliart/VRX/GTV (GTVi) 17" rims to the other model magna/veradas, its just that MMAL use a +46 offset for there alloy rims on the magna/veradas which makes the tyre close to touching the "knuckle" when the factory 17's are fitted. Hence why MMAL designed a newer knuckle with a different bend in it to make more clearance for the 17' with 225 tyres.

Hope that makes sense.

Anyway if your fitting aftermarket rims the offset is normally around the +32 to +40 range so this actually moves the tyre/rim away from the knuckle BUT closer to the outer guard.


I mean, I'm pretty sure I fitted these exact rims (reference to the OP) on my car (they are Cummins old rims). IIRC I didn't have any suspension clearance issues. my issues were with the guards.

cheers,
.wook

mmm...ive got 235-45-17 on 03 TL VR-X RIMS on a 2000 TH Sports and dont have an issue......

mmm...ive got 235-45-17 on 03 TL VR-X RIMS on a 2000 TH Sports and dont have an issue......

Yes Mike but the tyre will be closer to the "knuckle" by approximately 5mm compared to those tyres and rims on a factory fit 17" magna/verada.

They never actually touched but MMAL being MMAL wernt happy with the clearance the standard knuckle had to the tyre, so they made different ones.....

Remember MMAL also said that 17" or bigger rims wouldnt fit on a AWD (hence why they only came with 16" rims from factory) but we all know that big rims will fit..... Its all about the "offset"

So which cars got the 'upgraded' knuckle? Any of the AWD's get it?

Part number anyone?

I mean, I'm pretty sure I fitted these exact rims (reference to the OP) on my car (they are Cummins old rims). IIRC I didn't have any suspension clearance issues. my issues were with the guards.

cheers,
.wook

Hi wookie, i looked up an old thread with pics of yours and cummins ralliart. Looks like you had a newer Tj magna? I'm assuming then that my older kf verada must have different knuckle/control arm/whatever its called setup if you didn't have a problem on yours.

BTW, i'm a bit confused by this whole knuckle business... The thing that was stopping the wheels from going in was a slender bent steel bar with a nut on one end of the bend (from memory). 'Knuckles' seems to describe the assembly that this bar is attached to near the middle of the rim??? Sorry if i'm just completely misunderstanding... sorta makes me wish i took a photo of it when the wheels were off so i could point a big red arrow and question mark next to it.

Anyway, i think i've learnt enough for my purposes, basically will go for thinner rims next time, 8.5 inches or less. CBF modding/swapping the control arm when i can just get decent 18" with rubber brand new for $1350 and sell these existing ones off. I realise some of you have fit 9.5's without this problem, but all i can think of is your suspension setup is different because none of your models were kf veradas like mine?

Finally, i was scouring some old threads on rims and legality etc. And err, looks like 18" is as large as i can go anyway, as my stock rims were 16"? Would this mean i could fail pink slip if i had 19"s on?


Thanks for all the replies guys, i'm learning a lot rather quickly, gotta love these forums =).

oops, i stand corrected. it was indeed the lower control arm all along. This bugger: http://www.racepages.com/images/products/thumbs/mevotech/MS9879.jpg

Finally, i was scouring some old threads on rims and legality etc. And err, looks like 18" is as large as i can go anyway, as my stock rims were 16"? Would this mean i could fail pink slip if i had 19"s on?


Thanks for all the replies guys, i'm learning a lot rather quickly, gotta love these forums =).

nope, you can put these 19s on... however, you should get them certified by an engineer as they are different widths front to back and the offset will be close to the maximum allowed change.

the +2" rule has been replaced by +/- 15mm on stock Outside Diameter (OD).

cheers,
.wook