Hey guys.

Ive posted prior about my current magna (TF Executive) and the roof paint peeling and CV joints.

Well it seems its going to cost too much to get the roof/car repainted and cv joints fixed when the car itself is not worth alot. Ive always liked mitsubishis and i love the magna (decent car for an affordable price)

But now the time has come for me to sell and buy a new car...

1st car was a 1994 5th Gen Lancer (1.5 Carby lol) and i did alot of work on making it look "nice".

After a year i upgraded to a R33 GTS-T Skyline. This was a sweet ride but i bought it right before the petrol prices skyrocketed and sold it months before they plumeted... It essentialy cost me a fortune to run, insure and maintain and it also wasnt the most safest car on the road (i nearly spun out doing 110k on a country road after hitting a slight "bump")

So i then downsized to a 1997 TF Magna Executive and everything was sweet untill about 6 months ago where the paint started peeling on the roof and the cv joints started making noise.

The car cost me $3500 and i know even with the crap involved with it i can use it as a $3000 trade in.

So without finding a cheap solution to the problem ive decided its best i buy a new/near new car.

The cars i have on the list that i might buy are:

2008 380 VR-X S3
2008/7 Mitsubishi Lancer VR/ES
2006 Nissan Maxima ST-L
2009 Dodge Avenger (Brand New)
2009 Holden Cruze (Brand New)
2005 Honda Accord Euro
2007 Toyota Aurion

Now i REALLY like mitsubishi but what is preventing me from getting a 380 VR-X is the fact its one of the most expensive on the list AND missing vital Traction and Stability control.

With all of that being said i can buy a VR Lancer which comes with more features than the 380, Traction Control, Stability Control and is cheaper. Sure its smaller but if i wanted a larger one i would have to go with the Maxima. Its much cheaper, full leather and features inclusive, TC and SC plus its a large car.

I really want a 380 but i also really want TC and SC. Does anyone know why these features were left out when they are now standard on most cars as of 2005?

It looks like ill probably end up getting the Lancer. Can anyone give me reason to choose the 380 over the rest or am i just missing something?

P.S. i know TC and SC are features not needed and are purely once off occasional accident preventers but my GF and family members (quite possibly my younger sister who is 17 and brother who is 16) will be driving this car at times and these features will go well with resale in the future.

380 VR-X has traction control, just not ESP. Reading what you've written it sounds like you've talked yourself out of it.

380 VR-X has traction control, just not ESP. Reading what you've written it sounds like you've talked yourself out of it.

What the hell?

I swear i didnt see anything about Traction Control before and i just jumped on google and Bam, There it is...

That changes things a bit...

Is TC standard across the board? or only on the VR-X Models?

Edit: P.S. You're right about me talking myself out of it. But thats just how i work. I plan on buying a car in 2 months. If you'd of asked me 2 weeks ago i would of said 380 without a doubt. But ive had all this free time to research and i really dont want to regret buying something i plan on having for years. (hence why i would never buy a commodore or falcon :P)

P.P.S. if i get a 380 i could join some of my clubs cruises in WA (im too embarrased with my current TFs state to go).

GT has it

SX got it standard too (at least as of Series II). Any particular reason for a VR-X over an SX?

You'd better get a trade-in quote/valuation on your Magna before you assume it is worth 3 grand. It might be less than that if it has some visable glitches.

SX got it standard too (at least as of Series II). Any particular reason for a VR-X over an SX?

3 reasons mainly:

The rims on the VR-X are sexy
The Lights (front and back) on the VR-X are Sexy
and the body kit on the SIII VR-X is god damn sexy.

Also the VR-X isnt a major jump ahead in price from the SX for the asthetics.

Edit:
P.S. @ Grubco: The TF isnt a deal breaker. if they say minimum 3k trade in and then point out it needs work ill happily sell it for 1-2k depending on how much they push or fix it up and sell it privately. I honestly just dont have the time to spend fixing it up. price isnt a major factor here. Im not looking at what i can afford and choosing a car in that range. im looking at cars i like and picking the best one out of them. I bought the skyline when i was 18 yrs old and had it for 5 Years. You can imagine what insurance was like... lol.

If you have $50k...go and buy the last TMR380, never registered (Horsham mitsubishi)
If you have $30k...go and buy a Series 3 Gt with less than 5000k's on it at carsales
If you have $20k...go and buy a Series 3 Vrx with leather and sunroof about 40,000 k's on it
If you have $15k...go and buy a Series 2 Vrx with about 60,000k's on it
If you have $11k...go and buy a series 1/2 SE with about 120,000 k's on it


I will bet you have never driven a 380?

Everyone i know who drives one has been amazed at them in terms of value for money.

If you have $50k...go and buy the last TMR380, never registered (Horsham mitsubishi)
If you have $30k...go and buy a Series 3 Gt with less than 5000k's on it at carsales
If you have $20k...go and buy a Series 3 Vrx with leather and sunroof about 40,000 k's on it
If you have $15k...go and buy a Series 2 Vrx with about 60,000k's on it
If you have $11k...go and buy a series 1/2 SE with about 120,000 k's on it


I will bet you have never driven a 380?

Everyone i know who drives one has been amazed at them in terms of value for money.

Never driven a 380 :O

But i have driven a VR Lancer.

I was planning on a S3 VR-X. Theres a dealer down the road from my house. Full leather, sun roof, molten metalic red paint. i was planning on taking it on a test last Sat but the saleman was a retard. I asked him what were the major differences between a platinum edition and VR-X model (i knew the answer, i was just testing the dealer to see if he knew what he was talking about). He said "Well theres a VR-X..." (he then spent about 20 seconds looking for a platinum edition model when i was standing infront of one) "and theres a platinum". He then said "well they both have leather"... i just walked off. lol

They're a bloody good drive the 380's. If it was my money I'd be getting into a Toyota Aurion. In WA, I was just looking now, 2007 model Aurion Prodigy (Leather, 6 air bags, HIDs - auto headlights, dual zone climate control, traction control, electric drivers seat, 6 speed Lexus auto box, the list goes on...) 55,000kms, $25k. It's got the 380 beat for equipment and comfort (IMO, I've driven both) It's up to you at the end of the day, drive all of them and make a decision. The Aurion is where my money would go for all the reasons I listed.

Never driven a 380 :O

But i have driven a VR Lancer.



Bite your tongue and ego, call him back,VRX with leather is a rare beast now.

then...after a drive betcha you'll want to go home with the keys in your hand.



@Disciple-such blasphemy in a mitsi forum....(you forgot the superior Aurion resale)...:)

3 reasons mainly:

The rims on the VR-X are sexy
The Lights (front and back) on the VR-X are Sexy
and the body kit on the SIII VR-X is god damn sexy.

Also the VR-X isnt a major jump ahead in price from the SX for the asthetics.

Edit:
P.S. @ Grubco: The TF isnt a deal breaker. if they say minimum 3k trade in and then point out it needs work ill happily sell it for 1-2k depending on how much they push or fix it up and sell it privately. I honestly just dont have the time to spend fixing it up. price isnt a major factor here. Im not looking at what i can afford and choosing a car in that range. im looking at cars i like and picking the best one out of them. I bought the skyline when i was 18 yrs old and had it for 5 Years. You can imagine what insurance was like... lol.
P.P.S. if i get a 380 i could join some of my clubs cruises in WA (im too embarrased with my current TFs state to go)

jsut making sure you realise that the lights such as in my display pic are not on s3 vrx. they were on s1+2 however.
the gt is the only one to have those tails in s3. if you gonna get a 380, id go a s2 vrx if you want manual, otherwise get an sx any series.
if you want you can come have a zip around on thursday night in mine, s1 gt although its not quite stock anymore (close compared to fooz etc!)

they're a bloody good drive the 380's. If it was my money i'd be getting into a toyota aurion. In wa, i was just looking now, 2007 model aurion prodigy (leather, 6 air bags, hids - auto headlights, dual zone climate control, traction control, electric drivers seat, 6 speed lexus auto box, the list goes on...) 55,000kms, $25k. It's got the 380 beat for equipment and comfort (imo, i've driven both) it's up to you at the end of the day, drive all of them and make a decision. The aurion is where my money would go for all the reasons i listed.

....and that bloody horrible foot brake!! That really stuffed the aurion in my books, apart from that nice drive, but how the hell do you do a handbrake turn (in emergencies only of course lol)
PS Did I mention I hated the foot brake in lieu of the handbrake?

....and that bloody horrible foot brake!! That really stuffed the aurion in my books, apart from that nice drive, but how the hell do you do a handbrake turn (in emergencies only of course lol)
PS Did I mention I hated the foot brake in lieu of the handbrake?

You know, when I first had a drive of an Aurion and my mate told me it had a foot operated hand brake, I was like, "WTF?! How gay!" Then I used it a few times and it really wasn't a big deal...

You know, when I first had a drive of an Aurion and my mate told me it had a foot operated hand brake, I was like, "WTF?! How gay!" Then I used it a few times and it really wasn't a big deal...


used to have them in the Toranas....no big deal, and they work really well when arthritis starts to get a grip.:)

Hey guys.



The cars i have on the list that i might buy are:

2008 380 VR-X S3
2008/7 Mitsubishi Lancer VR/ES
2006 Nissan Maxima ST-L
2009 Dodge Avenger (Brand New)
2009 Holden Cruze (Brand New)
2005 Honda Accord Euro
2007 Toyota Aurion

Now i REALLY like mitsubishi but what is preventing me from getting a 380 VR-X is the fact its one of the most expensive on the list AND missing vital Traction and Stability control.

With all of that being said i can buy a VR Lancer which comes with more features than the 380, Traction Control, Stability Control and is cheaper. Sure its smaller but if i wanted a larger one i would have to go with the Maxima. Its much cheaper, full leather and features inclusive, TC and SC plus its a large car.

I really want a 380 but i also really want TC and SC. Does anyone know why these features were left out when they are now standard on most cars as of 2005?

It looks like ill probably end up getting the Lancer. Can anyone give me reason to choose the 380 over the rest or am i just missing something?

P.S. i know TC and SC are features not needed and are purely once off occasional accident preventers but my GF and family members (quite possibly my younger sister who is 17 and brother who is 16) will be driving this car at times and these features will go well with resale in the future.
Out of curiosity, what did you think of the Maxima to drive? I have a 2007 TI. Performance wise in my opinion, it kills the 380 in a straight line- anywhere from taking off from the lights and even more so at overtaking at 100kph (the cvt plays a big part i think). Once you hit a corner though, its hats off to the 380 by a country mile. They are both quirky beautiful machines. Just one other suggestion, if you are thinking of converting to lpg, make sure its lpg compatible (plenty on these forums about that if interested).

They're a bloody good drive the 380's. If it was my money I'd be getting into a Toyota Aurion. In WA, I was just looking now, 2007 model Aurion Prodigy (Leather, 6 air bags, HIDs - auto headlights, dual zone climate control, traction control, electric drivers seat, 6 speed Lexus auto box, the list goes on...) 55,000kms, $25k. It's got the 380 beat for equipment and comfort (IMO, I've driven both) It's up to you at the end of the day, drive all of them and make a decision. The Aurion is where my money would go for all the reasons I listed.

Yep, maybe beat for comfort, but a 380 outhandles an Aurion no worries. So what is higher priority to you - nice comfy drive but handles like a marshmallow, or nearly as comfortable a drive but handles way better? Put another way, are you a driver or just a steerer?

KJ.

Yep, maybe beat for comfort, but a 380 outhandles an Aurion no worries. So what is higher priority to you - nice comfy drive but handles like a marshmallow, or nearly as comfortable a drive but handles way better? Put another way, are you a driver or just a steerer?

KJ.

Well for me it's a no brainer because I already have my play thing, so the answer is Aurion. Not taking anything away from the 380.

Good point tho - I knew someone would mention the Aurion's lack of handling prowess - I agree, it does handle like a boat.

My opinion is, test drive the cars you have listed and purchase the car that you like the most to drive instead of asking us what we think you should buy.

We all have different opinions of what a good ride is.

Well for me it's a no brainer because I already have my play thing, so the answer is Aurion. Not taking anything away from the 380.

Good point tho - I knew someone would mention the Aurion's lack of handling prowess - I agree, it does handle like a boat.

Disciple,

I wasn't talking about you, you're obviously a driver most of the time, I was referring to the OP and in general anyone who might be tossing up between an Aurion and a 380.

KJ.

Disciple,

I wasn't talking about you, you're obviously a driver most of the time, I was referring to the OP and in general anyone who might be tossing up between an Aurion and a 380.

KJ.

Yeah I know, hence why I said, "Good point" Hehe.

One very good reason to buy a 380 is that you get to hang out with all the cool tech guru's here

without having to hang your head in shame for buying a non Mitsi. :)

UPDATE!

I went down to the yard last night with my GF. They had 2 S3 VR-Xs, a GT and a bunch of Platinums. However im being dragged more towards the Platinums now. I took it for a spin and its a really really nice ride (i even took it over a bunch of pot holes and it wasnt that bad). Suprisingly im favouring the platinum edition atm.

Its cheaper and comes with more features than the VR-X Model (expect the body kit but with that being said i can always replace that in the future if i really wanted).

So ill probably end up with the Platinum edition for the extra features, the fact its cheaper, full leather interior, lpg convertible and less than 10ks on the clock. Essentially ticks off all of the plusses on my list and would go well with resale in the future.

As soon as i got in the car i was sold. If i get it ill post some pics up soon!



....and that bloody horrible foot brake!! That really stuffed the aurion in my books, apart from that nice drive, but how the hell do you do a handbrake turn (in emergencies only of course lol)
PS Did I mention I hated the foot brake in lieu of the handbrake?

I hate that footbreak. My housemates boyfriend was a volvo car salesman and took home a Passat often with that stupid footbreak and he would always park behind my car so mornings werent the best for me then.


Out of curiosity, what did you think of the Maxima to drive? I have a 2007 TI. Performance wise in my opinion, it kills the 380 in a straight line- anywhere from taking off from the lights and even more so at overtaking at 100kph (the cvt plays a big part i think). Once you hit a corner though, its hats off to the 380 by a country mile. They are both quirky beautiful machines. Just one other suggestion, if you are thinking of converting to lpg, make sure its lpg compatible (plenty on these forums about that if interested).

Yup. i checked and it is LPG Compatible. umm... I did give the Maxima a drive... But at the end of the day it was still a Maxima and i felt like it was my dads car and not mine yaknow? If i was to get one i would have to put a custom kit on it and the colour would have to be black. lol.

Did you take a manual or an auto for a ride? Test drive any other 380s or just the platnum?

Just the platinum. But from what im aware they had the same engine and suspension... The VRX was a manual and the Platinum an Auto .i have a manual license but i do like my autos for sunday drives and plain old cruising. The 380 seems to have a nice balance of Curiser and Muscle put into one decent sized car with heaps of extras and a nice price. The only thing its really missing is Stability Control...

UPDATE!




Yup. i checked and it is LPG Compatible. umm... I did give the Maxima a drive... But at the end of the day it was still a Maxima and i felt like it was my dads car and not mine yaknow? If i was to get one i would have to put a custom kit on it and the colour would have to be black. lol.
Ive never driven an older model maxima and mine is black:happy:

As soon as i got in the car i was sold.




That is a normal reaction, don't feel guilty, just put it in the garage and give it a rub down twice a week. :happy:

Make sure it is LPG compatible!!

Make sure it is LPG compatible!!
If i could drill 2 holes in your engine, i would......:pray:

Make sure it is LPG compatible!!

Lol yeah i checked that. The VR-X wasn't but the platinum is. 3 neat little holes on the front of the engine.

The Platinum Edition was great value, and had a few things the higher VRX model did not.
One member here, TJ Sport, changed the front+rear lights on his Platinum to the VRX/GT one, so now (as the body kits is same as VRX) his 380 looks like a VRX. I considered this too, but the full set (plus a bootlid spoiler I need) is uber$$$... so I didn't bother.
Don't expect great resale on your 380 though. They are great value to buy second hand cos the prices are quite low for the condition/miles on the car, etc, but you'll see the other end of this slide when you decide to sell. (Some of us bought our 380s brand new, so its not a good prospect... but it is a fact)

The only thing its really missing is Stability Control...

Pssst...

That's because the others really need them, not the 380.

Pssst...

That's because the others really need them, not the 380.

Hopefully you're being funny Richard. Stability control is a safety device.

Hopefully you're being funny Richard. Stability control is a safety device.

While I agree with what you're saying Disciple, I just think that if you adjust your driving to match the conditions, there really shouldn't be a need for stability control (unless it's there to mask a dynamic flaw in the cars design...which the 380 doesn't have, if anything it's a very well balanced car).

it all started with the A series mercedes a few years ago, the car is so unstable it failed the "moose test".

they fixed an unstable body with a countermeasure.

While I agree with what you're saying Disciple, I just think that if you adjust your driving to match the conditions, there really shouldn't be a need for stability control (unless it's there to mask a dynamic flaw in the cars design...which the 380 doesn't have, if anything it's a very well balanced car).

IMHO stability control is designed to compensate for either or both a poorly designed car or a poor driver. Mainly a poor driver.

If you are a good driver employing COAST (Concentration, Observation and Anticipation creating Space and Time) driving a well balanced good handling car, then you should never need stability control. No matter what. Period.

Unfortunately the vast majority of drivers do not employ COAST and by no stretch of the imagination could you call them good drivers. So stability control makes sense, as it might save some of these drivers from a crash.

Again, IMHO, stability control is just the latest in a long line of driver aids which can have a dumbing down effect, and if we're not careful we'll end up creating a whiole generation of drivers who can't actually drive, all they can do is steer. And not very well at that. I see more and more evidence of it every day.

I would hope that most of the members of this forum are good drivers. The fact that they are members of the forum shows that they are at least 'enthusiasts', and that's a start to being a good driver.

KJ.

I'd have to agree entirely with you there kj. I've also noticed that the vast majority of people just steer instead of drive. I can plan my driving on what the people ahead of me are likely to do. If they do x, I'll do y, etc. Just happens, but I've been driving since I was 12 so I've had lots of practice. Most people seem to drive according to what the car in front is doing, with no thought as to what's happening 10, 20, or 200 metres up the road, what the conditions are, what time of the day etc. And when you add in talking on mobile phone, or as I see often, doing hair and make up while they're driving, you can see why the average sheep like steerer needs stability control. I suppose it's part of society's general trend of taking as little responsibility for yourself as possible...

Guys, wow.

Have a browse on Youtube for a Fifth Gear clip of Stability Control in action. Or for that matter, any Best Motoring clip testing Stability Control. It is proven, even with professional drivers, to be a faster way through a slalom or handling course. Not to mention the staggering statistics that ESP, ASC, whatever you want to call it, can prevent something like 85% of single vehicle accidents.

I get what you guys are saying, and I agree to a point. I like to have the ESP switchable, but in modern cars it's actually faster around a handling course to leave the ESP on.

Edit: I know we are way off track now, but when buying a new car for my fiance, ESP/ASC was a must. It was one of the big reasons we bought a Ralliart Colt.

IMHO stability control is designed to compensate for either or both a poorly designed car or a poor driver. Mainly a poor driver.

If you are a good driver employing COAST (Concentration, Observation and Anticipation creating Space and Time) driving a well balanced good handling car, then you should never need stability control. No matter what. Period.

Unfortunately the vast majority of drivers do not employ COAST and by no stretch of the imagination could you call them good drivers. So stability control makes sense, as it might save some of these drivers from a crash.

Again, IMHO, stability control is just the latest in a long line of driver aids which can have a dumbing down effect, and if we're not careful we'll end up creating a whiole generation of drivers who can't actually drive, all they can do is steer. And not very well at that. I see more and more evidence of it every day.

I would hope that most of the members of this forum are good drivers. The fact that they are members of the forum shows that they are at least 'enthusiasts', and that's a start to being a good driver.

KJ.

KJ whilst I hear what you are saying here and in principle I agree with you, I also strongly agree with what Disciple is saying. Anything, anything that helps prevent serious accidents on the road is a good thing. I will PM you one experience I had as an example,so as not to clog the thread. I am a strong advocate of better driver training and believe that all P platers should be required to undergo an advanced driver course, at their own expense, before being allowed to progress to a full licence. I also think that the 380 missed out big time with stability control and that this would be a serious consideration, regardless of cost, for many drivers (or steerers lol!)


I'd have to agree entirely with you there kj. I've also noticed that the vast majority of people just steer instead of drive. I can plan my driving on what the people ahead of me are likely to do. If they do x, I'll do y, etc. Just happens, but I've been driving since I was 12 so I've had lots of practice. Most people seem to drive according to what the car in front is doing, with no thought as to what's happening 10, 20, or 200 metres up the road, what the conditions are, what time of the day etc. And when you add in talking on mobile phone, or as I see often, doing hair and make up while they're driving, you can see why the average sheep like steerer needs stability control. I suppose it's part of society's general trend of taking as little responsibility for yourself as possible...
Texting!! you forgot texting. :wtf: are they doing texting whilst driving!!

Guys, wow.

Have a browse on Youtube for a Fifth Gear clip of Stability Control in action. Or for that matter, any Best Motoring clip testing Stability Control. It is proven, even with professional drivers, to be a faster way through a slalom or handling course. Not to mention the staggering statistics that ESP, ASC, whatever you want to call it, can prevent something like 85% of single vehicle accidents.

I get what you guys are saying, and I agree to a point. I like to have the ESP switchable, but in modern cars it's actually faster around a handling course to leave the ESP on.

Edit: I know we are way off track now, but when buying a new car for my fiance, ESP/ASC was a must. It was one of the big reasons we bought a Ralliart Colt.

100% spot on and why a big car like the 380 would have benefited from it. It handles ok but would have been alot safer with it.
Edit: The Govt recently told us that it costs approximately $3,000,000 for every fatality on the road, not to mention the price on friends and family, which IMHO is a far heavier price.

Yeah stability control and rear passenger airbags would have been a great selling point for the 380 when it was released I would have thought!

I get what you guys are saying, and I agree to a point. I like to have the ESP switchable, but in modern cars it's actually faster around a handling course to leave the ESP on.

Errr...

That depends on the quality of stability control. The Aurion and Maxima just slow the cars down, all documented in various reviews. If you want to push these cars - well you can't - if you turn it off you're more than likely to out drive the car's dynamics and crash anyway.

If you are talking EVO, Merc, BMW, I'd agree.

Just get one mate....THEY ARE AWESOME...hahahahaha

Errr...

That depends on the quality of stability control. The Aurion and Maxima just slow the cars down, all documented in various reviews. If you want to push these cars - well you can't - if you turn it off you're more than likely to out drive the car's dynamics and crash anyway.

If you are talking EVO, Merc, BMW, I'd agree.

If it's stability control in the way it should be, ie, brake individual wheels etc in the event of a slide, you shouldn't be able to out drive them. Not from the demo's I've seen anyway.

Let's not forget that there is a fair element of marketting in some of this stuff.

Yes, sure we can argue that it saves xxxx lives, but there are situations where people will die anyway.

We are now at the point where we are told that if a car hasn't got the latest innovation that's on the market, then we are being negligent.

Let me see now...what would I feel safer in...a 380 or a Yaris with ESP??

At the end of the day, all things being equal, you can make a generalisation that a BIG car is safer.

The longer the bonnet, the safer it is...without quoting anomalous examples.




In a forward velocity, the decelerative forces required are a function of distance available.

If your bonnet is 2 metres long, you will have half the forces of a bonnet that's 1 metre long....easy.



If you are travelling at 60km/h you are travelling at 16.6 metres per second.


a=Dv/Dt=16.66/0.16=100...(for 1 metre)

gravity (1G)=10ms-2..........100/10=10 G's

If your bonnet is 1 metre long you get 10 G's of force on your body till you stop.
If your bonnet is 2 metres long you get 5 G's of force on your body before you stop.

Space shuttle astronauts experience about 6 G's.

How long is the bonnet on a Yaris again?
Will ESP stop me from hitting a tree?






I'm too scared to drive my 380 now that it is unsafe. :)

Guys could you keep the contents of your posts to what the OP has asked and not fill it with crap. what happens when a new user comes looking for information in regards to the pros and cons of a 380, he doesnt expect to see pages and pages on the pros and cons of esp abs or anything else like that.
ive noticed this alot in all the threads in the 380 forum, artificially increasing all the thread sizes and making harder to find the info you are looking for.
The obvious thing to do would be either start a thread in tech torque/even in the 380 forum but dont fill all the other threads with what may be good but generally irrelevent to the thread information
Im in no way saying the stuff you are talking about shouldnt be discussed more that it shouldnt be discussed here.
(Also i do realise im breaking my own rule here but something to consider.
oh and dont reply to this post in this thread as it will just exacerbate the problem!)

2008 380 VR-X S3 - get a SII save some pennies and it looks better IMO if you can get one
2008/7 Mitsubishi Lancer VR/ES - nice but still small
2006 Nissan Maxima ST-L - quirky in heaps of ways and drinks petrol more than claimed
2009 Dodge Avenger (Brand New) - Yankee cars are HORRID (Ride, economy, looks, everything basically)
2009 Holden Cruze (Brand New) - Korean HMMMM not my cup of tea. Maybe when they build them out at Elizabeth, MAYBE
2005 Honda Accord Euro - Torque this car has NONE. looks crap IMHO
2007 Toyota Aurion - depends on the model but still too soft and handles very crap BODY ROLL.

Nice to see you like so many new model cars! (joking)

driver not a steerer

This car has one of the best horns. love the sound..

Well its the only thread i could squeeze my comment into..

Another good reason to buy a 380...

This car has one of the best horns. love the sound..

Well its the only thread i could squeeze my comment into..

Another good reason to buy a 380...

Yeah they sound like (or are) real air horns - not the toy horns my other cars have had. I like that too (plus many other unique features of the 380 which I can't remember all of, right now).

Yeah they sound like (or are) real air horns - not the toy horns my other cars have had. I like that too (plus many other unique features of the 380 which I can't remember all of, right now).
Theres a new thread right there!!

Theres a new thread right there!!

Only thing I really don't like, is the steering wheel. Size is okay, but don't like the lower 2 spokes; can't get my hands in there comfortably when driving.

This car has one of the best horns. love the sound..

Well its the only thread i could squeeze my comment into..

Another good reason to buy a 380...

Havnt used mine yet:woot:

Havnt used mine yet:woot:
Once you start, you wont stop...

Meep meeeeeeep

I wish the steering wheel was chunkier but leather wrapped, wipes all disappointment away

Meep meeeeeeep

I wish the steering wheel was chunkier but leather wrapped, wipes all disappointment away

:stoopid:

Well its got what i call :doh: Electric Windows...

With other cars, when you switch off the ignition and realize that you forgot to shut all the windows (and go :doh:) you have to put the keys back in the ignition, turn on acc then close windows.

With the 380, there seems to be a time delay to when it disconnects power to the elec window switches and you can close them after you have pulled the key out!!:cool:

I love the way when i forgot to turn the lights off it switches it all off after a while.

I used to go crazy with the stupid courtesy lights in the doors on previous Verada continually flattening the battery cause door was slightly ajar. (you couldnt see that the bloody things were on)

I love the way when i forgot to turn the lights off it switches it all off after a while.

I used to go crazy with the stupid courtesy lights in the doors on previous Verada continually flattening the battery cause door was slightly ajar. (you couldnt see that the bloody things were on)

Yes. Esp if the interior lights are supposed to switch off by itself after a short while. You walk away, lights on thinking that it will switch off. When you crank the engine next morning, you realize what happened....

Well its got what i call :doh: Electric Windows...

With other cars, when you switch off the ignition and realize that you forgot to shut all the windows (and go :doh:) you have to put the keys back in the ignition, turn on acc then close windows.

With the 380, there seems to be a time delay to when it disconnects power to the elec window switches and you can close them after you have pulled the key out!!:cool:

My TL Magna does this also. My Evo will even wind all the windows up for you when you press the lock button twice on the remote. :)