Im slowly getting some funds together to put a new system in the GTV.
I'm basically after something that will be a fair bit better than the std system in the Verada but nothing over the top. Budget has to be kept to a bare minimum, I basically will be installing the following gear myself.
Making custom wood baffles, deadening the front doors and using accoustic tiles behind the woofers.
Using 4awg jaycar cable and RCA's

Any suggestions/recommendations as to different gear etc invited.

Head Unit - Alpine CDE-100EUB (http://www.alpine.com.au/products/product.asp?modelID=441) @ $199 (Have to confirm if it has a HPF)
Front stage - Hertz DSK 165.1 (http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/Doc/pdf_dsk165.pdf) @ $219 (Receiving 100wrms per side)
Rears - Jaycar CS2378 6x9s (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=CS2378&CATID=15&form=CAT&SUBCATID=609) @ $99 (Just simple rear fill, will be HPF off the deck)
Sub - Alpine SWS-1223D (http://www.alpine.com.au/products/product.asp?modelID=330) @ $219 (Receiving 380wrms@4ohms)
Amp - Jaycar AA0426 4x100w (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AA0426&keywords=response&form=KEYWORD) @ 349(As the head unit only has one output ill be using a single four channel to run the splits and sub).

Total - $1085 + cables/baffles etc


Only problem I can think of is the deck doesnt have a trigger for the power antenna, for those in the know. Would the amp trigger line have enough voltage to trigger both the amp and the antenna?

Thanks
Luke

Might be a better option to find a head unit with atleast 2 pre-outs if you only going to run one amp
Im sure this unit will have a trigger wire for the power antennar

for $199 i would reccomend a JVC headunit, alpines are only any good when your looking at 9887 territory i think. JVC = alot better for money!


Not a huge fan of hertz speakers, i would recommend getting some splits second hand off MEA, something focal or even a higher range Hertz speakers. I find the hertz ae lacking midbass personally

It has Amp trigger Plus Antenna trigger, but no HPF, or LPF, you might have to give this deck a miss.

Yeah I was a huge fan of MEA back in the days of CAA, havent been on it much. Might have to have a looksie.
Havent actually heard the DSK range only the HSK from Hertz, traditionally I love focal but a bit above budget im afraid. Never know my luck though might get some 2nd hand cheap.

Main reason I was going Alpine for the deck was a combination of it having USB(can live without) and having a number of their decks b4. But I dont mind the JVC KD-R406, remote is a plus and can change colours too :eeek:


Spewing about the HPF, they have obviously cut out some features to keep the price down, my last Alpine was a base model and it had them :(
Any ideas how difficult it would be to make a custom inline filter?

Headunit:A headunit with one pre out will work as the amp has a remote control however getting one with 2 or 3 preouts wont hurt. JVC make a KD-R705 which can be had for under $270. Pioneer's units are going to exceed $350 normally for one with more than one RCA output. Unless you get them at an end of run out sale. This is were Clarion may come to the rescue with the CZ309A. Street price is under $250 and you get 3 RCA's plus lots of other goodies.

Fronts: The Hertz are not a bad speaker, they fixed the tweeter from the last series ( Mylar yuck ). I would look around and audition as for $200 you can get some decent sets. These will include:
DDC 6.5, Vibe SE-K60 V3, Boston S60 etc etc. Joe might have some others as well :D

Rears: Yeah, who cares. I wouldn't spend more than the $100.

Sub: Again $200 is a bit to play with. You will need to factor in a box too. Alpine sub is ok, I'm sure you can do better.

All decks will be ok to power both amp turn on and a remote antena on off the one cable. If it doesn't have separate cables, you just need to but a simple switch in and that will give you control over the aerial :D

Headunit:A headunit with one pre out will work as the amp has a remote control however getting one with 2 or 3 preouts wont hurt. JVC make a KD-R705 which can be had for under $270. Pioneer's units are going to exceed $350 normally for one with more than one RCA output. Unless you get them at an end of run out sale. This is were Clarion may come to the rescue with the CZ309A. Street price is under $250 and you get 3 RCA's plus lots of other goodies.

Fronts: The Hertz are not a bad speaker, they fixed the tweeter from the last series ( Mylar yuck ). I would look around and audition as for $200 you can get some decent sets. These will include:
DDC 6.5, Vibe SE-K60 V3, Boston S60 etc etc. Joe might have some others as well :D

Rears: Yeah, who cares. I wouldn't spend more than the $100.

Sub: Again $200 is a bit to play with. You will need to factor in a box too. Alpine sub is ok, I'm sure you can do better.

All decks will be ok to power both amp turn on and a remote antena on off the one cable. If it doesn't have separate cables, you just need to but a simple switch in and that will give you control over the aerial :D

Thanks for the tips, I'd love to get a set of Vibes again I had (think they were) ka-60s from about 4 yrs ago, rrp was like $600 awesome splits. Ideally I'd love to get another Type R 12 i love their kick, can be had 2nd hand cheap too. Also want to audition maybe the DD base models see how they sound.
Its killing me doing this with such a low budget, ya can get lucky with 2nd hand gear though, my last effort was about $5k worth of gear and cost me around $2k

Box is no cost really, ill stick it together dads got the wood and some grey carpet laying around.

Dont mind that clarion deck either, i was put off by some of their looks, but that one isnt too bad.

Definately food for thought.

Don't bother with the rears imho. If you want good sound then just get a set of these: http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71802 They will sound a lot better than using lower quality speakers in the front and including rear fill.

FYI. The Remote Control on the amp is a very limited 'wired Volume remote' only.
5 Volt preouts would be a nice feature.

Hey Joe, yeah something in that price would be very nice, but I simply cant go that high or justify that amount for a paor of speakers.
I personally like a bit of rear fill, the rears will only be running off the deck high passed so they wont interfer too much in the front stage.

On another note, has anyone had dealings with Ryda.com.au?

Reason I ask about Ryda is they seem so cheap ie:
Rethought the system a bit, now considering

Deck - Clarion CZ309A $239
Splits - Soundstream LS.60C L.O.S(rrp $449 on sale for $248) or Boston S60 $198
Rear - Jaycar 6x9s
Sub - Soundstream PW-12S.SVC Picasso ($279 on sale for $187)

With the amps I have two paths to go with -
Stick with a big 4 channel like the Jaycar(2x100w and 1x380wrms, $349) or a Soundstream PCX4.540 Picasso (2x80 and 1x270, $340)
or
Use the kicker zx200.2(2x70) that i have already, for the splits and get a Soundstream LW1.350 Lil Wonder(1x450, $269) for the sub.

Yeah they are ok. Postage is pretty steep but otherwise they do have some good deals on mainstream brands.

If you can, try and have a listen before making a decision. :D

Just thought I would check how you approaching the box - often over looked a little lol.

Thinking about what you have, and you need rears, I would run your kicker amp for the 6x9's and HP them at about 150Hz 12db / oct ( Jaycar for the rest ). If you use the decks HPF feature, you will be filtering both as I don't think a deck of that price will have separate front a rear control.

Very good point then the whole system is amped too so the deck wont struggle as much.

Yeah made a couple of boxes b4, got some 18mm MDF here, dads a qualified carpenter so he does these air tight joins, uses glue and screws, then I silicon the insides of the box, and the terminal panel. Then i make a thin gasket(if the woofer hasnt got one) to go between the sub and box with a fine layer of silicon and put little amounts in the screw holes for the woofer. Nice n tight :)

Love those Soundstream splits for the $$
But there is no mention of them on the site. Found em, must be an Australia only product.

Definitely give some DDC6.5's a listen, I just sold my set new to Norby lol Maybe wait for him to fit them and then have a listen, they sound sweet for what they cost. DDC6x9"s in the rear too I think would work a treat, although perhaps slight overkill if your only going to high pass and fade them out anyway, they work great as a Subwoofer substitute.

Amp wise, I'll attack you with something if you buy a Soundstream! The amount of people I've known in the last 18 months or so to buy a Soundstream amp then have it fail is beyond a joke! They're not what they used to be.

Well yeah the deck is still going to work hard, all that button pushing. lol

In an ideal world with a bigger budget I would suggest running the 4x 100W for the sub bridged of course and the mids of a component set. Then the Kicker would run the tweeters actively.

Problem - finding a set that can be bi amped and handle that power. Boston as mention make all their splits with dual Xovers but power will be limited on your budget. The DD set doesn't have a xover network ( they are built in I think ) so it would be possible to run them active as well.

Up to you of course.

Definitely give some DDC6.5's a listen, I just sold my set new to Norby lol Maybe wait for him to fit them and then have a listen, they sound sweet for what they cost. DDC6x9"s in the rear too I think would work a treat, although perhaps slight overkill if your only going to high pass and fade them out anyway, they work great as a Subwoofer substitute.

Amp wise, I'll attack you with something if you buy a Soundstream! The amount of people I've known in the last 18 months or so to buy a Soundstream amp then have it fail is beyond a joke! They're not what they used to be.

Yeah the DDC's are another one im interested in too, I may still go the way of a amped set of good fronts and 6x9s option as opposed to running a sub. I know it wont come close to the bass etc, but i need space with three kids.

Thanks for the tip on the Soundstream amps. Used stuff of theirs in the past and was happy, but i know how things can change.

I once had a PG Octane R8.0:4 4 channel it was very sweet, think ill check out their gear too. Although it can be pricey.

Luke

Completely forgot about this!

http://www.vibecaraudio.com/products/slickpack2/

Sub+Box+Wires+Amp+6x9s = $699

Have a look at that too.

Thanks for that Joe, I'm now thinking of just saving space and running just good splits and 6x9s amped.
As much as I love Bass the mrs doesnt, and with 2 kids and a baby Ill never get to pump it anyway.

Thats a sweet package though, I love Vibe gear.

Thanks for that Joe, I'm now thinking of just saving space and running just good splits and 6x9s amped.
As much as I love Bass the mrs doesnt, and with 2 kids and a baby Ill never get to pump it anyway.
I'm going to highly suggest you get DDC6x9"s for the rear then, they've had enough kick in my car with ~90w rms per channel to vibrate the front seats with the low end...they pump even harder if you give them a bit more, MGNTZD had ~170w rms running into each of his full range and they really pumped.

If you thinking or leaving out the sub...

Budget could be like this:
Source $250
Fronts $350
Rears $150
Amp $250
Deadening $120

I still wouldn't blow to much money on the 6x9's. Nothing under $300 will really make heaps more bass than another set. If you are thinking of spending that amount, get a sub....

If their is no sub you can get a smaller 4 channel amp ( and go active on the fronts ) or even a 2 channel amp with the one you already have.

We will call that Stage 1. Once your ready, Stage 2 had a sub and mono block lol

Thanks for that Joe, I'm now thinking of just saving space and running just good splits and 6x9s amped.
As much as I love Bass the mrs doesnt, and with 2 kids and a baby Ill never get to pump it anyway.

Thats a sweet package though, I love Vibe gear.

Stop shooting me down! :P hahahah!

If you follow Mr Charismas plan then the AD6 are actually in the budget! :D

Here I'll give you another link to shoot me down on hehehe: http://www.shoppingsecure.com.au/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=53 Should be on special for $350 in my subforum, been running that special for a while.

These are probably a bit more realistic though! http://www.shoppingsecure.com.au/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=7

Stop shooting me down! :P hahahah!

If you follow Mr Charismas plan then the AD6 are actually in the budget! :D

Here I'll give you another link to shoot me down on hehehe: http://www.shoppingsecure.com.au/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=53 Should be on special for $350 in my subforum, been running that special for a while.

These are probably a bit more realistic though! http://www.shoppingsecure.com.au/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=7

**** me! Those 6x9s are 200rms, damn they'd pump! Do you know if they fit into a 3rd Gen magna's shelf? Anyone? Mounting depth is 100mm.

Rhys do you mean the DDCX6x9s?
like these - http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/caraudio/09/DDCX6x9.asp

They're actually 10" subwoofers with a 6x9 cone. They will be more difficult to mount but definitely the bassiest 6x9 that I can provide.