Like on the VRX/LX/SX/GT.

Anyone know if this can be done?

Anyone actually done it?

Parts needed?

Cost?

I read/heard somewhere that the base model wiring loom doesn't have the necessary wires or connections, so in theory it can't be done without massive expense.

KJ.

I got both here.

The console with the clock is a different size, so you need to get the whole lot.



that is...the clock module is smaller than the multi function display, so the room isnt there, you need to replace the big lump of plastic as well.


when Mitsi fit the AVN6000 sat nav they remove the multidisplay and fit the clock cause it reports CANBUS error.

AFAIK the looms are all the same.

I'd rather have the option of dropping in a sweet double-din head unit than the multi function display. But thats just me :)

IMO the Multifunction unit seems to go alot louder without distorting than my Alpine CD player I used to have. My 6x9s absolutely crank, it sounds like I have a sub lol...well I wish! :)

Brad,

I see on that 'other' forum you are thinking about fitting a car PC with double DIN display, and replacing your MCD with the pov pack clock to get around the com error message.

I'm looking to replace my pov pack clock with the MCD.

Blackstar reckons they are different size & shape and we need to swap the whole console module above the central air vents (but not including the surrounds).

But looking at page 52A-5 of the workshop manual the clock and the MCD are the exact same size & shape and there is only one upper console part (part 8 on page 52A-5)

I'm hoping that a conversion from clock to MCD is simply 'plug and play', that is all the required software/programming is built in to the CAN BUS, but I'm not sure this is the case.

It could be that it will work in your direction by not mine, that is after a simple swap the pov pack clock will work in a GT but the MCD module won't work in a base model.

I'd like to find out for sure that it will work, in both directions, and if so we can do a swap. Doesn't look like a hard job to remove and & replace these items.

KJ.

I think you nedd to replace the loom from the ECU get power to it, and the ECU from the donating car if you want full functionality, plus temp sensors.

I bought the whole lot once, 6 stacker, display, raised dash console, bluetooth, but couldn't get it to fit. But thats just me, perhaps someone with more skillz might have more success than I enjoyed.

You defianetly need the raised mount above vents. I am considering getting another and installing a Digital Radio.

Surely they wouldn't make 2 complete different wiring looms and ECUs? Just doesnt sound cost effective to me if Mitsubishi did it that way...

the looms are the same. when the gt are fitted withthe sat nav they fit the pov pack clock.

the looms are the same. when the gt are fitted withthe sat nav they fit the pov pack clock.

So Dan, do you reckon it should be a simple 'plug & play' swap?

Sh00t & Blackstar seem to be saying that the surround/console is not the same, but the service manual diagram shows only one surround/console for both the clock and the MCD.

Fair enough I might be missing temperature sensors, but I reckon I could manage without the temperature being displayed.

Unless that causes an annoying com error message!

Might visit the local dealer tomorrow and see if they know the story (but I'm not holding out much hope, most of them on the service counter don't seems all that clued in about 380s).

KJ.

The Dash Top surround is definately different to a clock display over the interface unit, there is even a different dash mat made for both. The deluxe is definately Higher, more peaked to stop the sun reflecting/shining on the GUI.

DB/ES
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/SH00T/dashES2.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/SH00T/dash_thumbnail.jpg This looks to ba GT modified to the clock. :)


GT/VRX etc.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/SH00T/Dashvrx.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/SH00T/DashGT.jpg

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/22268289.jpg

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/23863708.jpg
Hmm... I am with you Shoot, they are different.

The Dash Top surround is definately different to a clock display over the interface unit, there is even a different dash mat made for both. The deluxe is definately Higher.

this is correct.

Thanks guys, gotta agree that the luxo model upper console is taller than the pov pack, looks like my plan ain't a goer. I'll double check with the dealer tomorrow just to make sure that the whole console isn't interchangeable.

KJ.

the top part will however fit straight in.

Its forty bucks for the plastic top, I bought one as a spare....it just pulls out as well

if you have the clock you can still plug in the multi display, set what options you want (like all doors opening instead of just driver door)
then put clock back.

Its forty bucks for the plastic top, I bought one as a spare....it just pulls out as well

if you have the clock you can still plug in the multi display, set what options you want (like all doors opening instead of just driver door)
then put clock back.

Now I'm getting more confused!

Does that mean that a base model top console with clock will straight swap with a luxo model top console with MCD or not? Without having to change the outer surround or does that need to be changed? We're talking three pairs of parts here - the clock/MCD unit, the console piece they fit into, and the outer surround (which extends right down to the bottom of the centre console).

For some reason I didn't see the pics posted by Sh00t last time around.

As far as I can tell/see from Sh00t's pics and the service manual, the clock & MCD are the same size and shape and are interchangable, the outer surround is the same for both, and the only difference is the console piece. It seems this console piece has a shorter 'lid' or top on the MCD version, in other words it doesn't extend in/down as far as the clock version. It's obviously also more curved across the front than the clock version.

Which means the console piece and the clock/MCD should be completely interchangable!

(But if they are I may need a new dash mat).

(And before I joined this forum I never used to type 'teh' instead of the, but now I do it all the time!)

KJ.

it looks like it's just the top "hood" over the MCD and the clock are different.....the silver side panels are the same..
i didn't even think to look at that to be honest , i thought it was the same hood but with the clock instead of the MCD...

i am doing a car PC for the 380 , i bought the genuine double DIN facia for it last week....im just sorting out the issue with the COM ERROR on the MCD which i don't want to see , so i'll put the stock clock there...

i would say it's a direct swap , i cant see mitsi using different looms for different models...just mass produce the same loom , it just depends what is plugged into it...

i still want to keep the MCD , i have the understanding that i can still make changes to the cars settings with it , and when i remove it and plug the clock in , the settings will stay as they were set without the MCD plugged in...

Change the top hood and the wiring looms are absolutely identical, i have proven it with a platinum model.

The six stack Cd player just plugs in and works as well, with or without the multi display.(you just cant see the radio stations..<LOL>

The clock has a seperate flimsy loom for power.


So....if you want to upgrade all you need is the display and the top hood, nothing else.

the clock flimsy loom comes with the clock and plugs into the same MCD plug , or is it a seperate loom allready in the vehicle ?

already in mine.

Went to see my local Mitsu dealer just now, and the spare parts bloke reckons there are no new MCD units available anywhere in Australia. Apparently they were made by Eurovox who went bust a while ago. If a 380 owner makes a successful warranty claim on one of these units they replace it with something else (but he didn't say what).

KJ.

Went to see my local Mitsu dealer just now, and the spare parts bloke reckons there are no new MCD units available anywhere in Australia. Apparently they were made by Eurovox who went bust a while ago. If a 380 owner makes a successful warranty claim on one of these units they replace it with something else (but he didn't say what).

KJ.

Probably a clock lol

Probably a clock lol

That'd be right!

I've got a spare one...and I've just locked it up safely in the big steel cupboard :)

i've got a multi function display im willing to get rid of if someone wants it.

i've got a multi function display im willing to get rid of if someone wants it.

Brad,

That's what I was thinking, swap you my clock for your MCD. We'd need to swap the whole upper console piece as they are a different shape where the clock/MCD sit. No need to change the outer silver plastic surround, as that is the same. Best bet would be to meet up somewhere and do a swap on the spot. Providing it works I'm happy to slip you a bit of cash for the difference.

PM me if you want to give this a try.

KJ.

Eurovox, eh?

:hmm:

My car audio installer thought they were alright for a stock unit.

pull your clock cover off and see if you have the MCD plug there...
the clock uses a small 4 pin plug , and the MCD has a large 20 pin plug...

it takes 5 minutes , the cover just pulls up from the airvents , then pull it forward to unclip the top from the dash...

i pulled mine apart just then, obviously i have the MCD plug , but there was no 4 pin clock plug there..
is there an adaptor from the clock to the MCD plug so it uses the wires from that ? there is only a constant power, ACC , illumination and a ground.
or is it tucked away in a weird spot , or just not there at all ?

i have had a spare MCD here , i just plugged it in to make sure it worked fine before i offered it to anyone..
im still keeping my original so i can make changes to the cars settings if needed..

i've also got a factory clock...

With respect to those who found the pics, the layouts are....

Base model
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/23863708.jpg

VRX
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/22268289.jpg

GT optioned with SATNAV (standard GT setup is same as VRX pic above)
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/SH00T/dash_thumbnail.jpg


P.S for reasons only known to themselves the GT comes with the base model cluster, not the really cool white dials of the VRX...... :angry: b'stards......

Yep, base model / black dials for Series 1 & 2 GT, go figure, but the Series 3 came with the same white faced dials as the VRX.

Only took Mitsu three years to fix!

KJ.

The sat nav kit is absolutely fantastic. Well worth the no display, everything just works perfectly.

Weird thread, I just went out and had a look at after removing my top clock cover. There is no 20 pin Multi colour display compatible plug up there. it splits into 3, one for clock power, hazards and alarm light on the dash.

I can understand the reasons for MMAL not to use a different loom, but, considering air (in/out) temp sensors are not used in a DB/ES. That could provide some reasoning.
Different looms, I believe were also used in the TW/KW range, as I have no wiring footwell lights and courtesy lights in my TW.

But blackstars evidence that a MCD went into a Platinum still stands. However a platinum is basically a slightly downgraded SX/VRX variant with different seats and stereo. Hmmm.

I've put a amp and Double din Pioneer in a 380, wired in a PAC, replaced all the speakers, did the same to TW. Wired in rear reading lights, front verada map lights, auto dimming mirrors, running thing off the acc. power from the phone connector in a TW. But could not get a MCD to connect or operate in a 2005 DB, with the plugs provided.

Down grade yeah, we can do that........... Upgrade..... Please make it so.....

certainly weird..
i'll just go to the wreckers and cut the clock plug off with a bit of wire , and solder it in seperatly i suppose...

i took my MCD out and saw the wires to the hazzard switch , the 20 pin plug for the MCD , and the wire to the alarm LED....thats all..

Yeah the third one is down a little bit more.

Weird thread, I just went out and had a look at after removing my top clock cover. There is no 20 pin Multi colour display compatible plug up there. it splits into 3, one for clock power, hazards and alarm light on the dash.

I can understand the reasons for MMAL not to use a different loom, but, considering air (in/out) temp sensors are not used in a DB/ES. That could provide some reasoning.
Different looms, I believe were also used in the TW/KW range, as I have no wiring footwell lights and courtesy lights in my TW.

But blackstars evidence that a MCD went into a Platinum still stands. However a platinum is basically a slightly downgraded SX/VRX variant with different seats and stereo. Hmmm.

I've put a amp and Double din Pioneer in a 380, wired in a PAC, replaced all the speakers, did the same to TW. Wired in rear reading lights, front verada map lights, auto dimming mirrors, running thing off the acc. power from the phone connector in a TW. But could not get a MCD to connect or operate in a 2005 DB, with the plugs provided.

Down grade yeah, we can do that........... Upgrade..... Please make it so.....

Thanks SH00T, saves me the trouble of pulling my clock out just to find that I can't upgrade to the MCD unit.

Might just have to go the full double DIN display route instead.

Funny thing is, the first SatNav I bought about four years ago is the 'little brother' of the 380 option unit. A Pioneer AVIC S2. I had no idea at the time about the optional 380 unit.

KJ.

The sat nav kit is absolutely fantastic. Well worth the no display, everything just works perfectly.

Always been curious... considering with that GPS unit that the rest of the console is virtually 'base model' spec, where do the CDs load in?

cd's load behind the touch screen

Yep, base model / black dials for Series 1 & 2 GT, go figure, but the Series 3 came with the same white faced dials as the VRX.

Only took Mitsu three years to fix!

KJ.

The 380 model range used 3 different instrument clusters:

Base - black face / silver rings (380 Series I / 380 ES Series II / 380 ES Series III)
Sports - white face / chrome rings (380 VRX & GT Series I / 380 SX, VRX Series II / 380 SX, VRX, GT Series III)
Luxury - black face (luxury print) / chrome rings (380 LS, LX & GT Series I / 380 LX & GT Series II / 380 GT-L Series III)

Always been curious... considering with that GPS unit that the rest of the console is virtually 'base model' spec, where do the CDs load in?


Two drives behind the screen, which tilts back by pressing a button.

One drive is for the DVD with GPS maps on it. (Sensis "whereis" database with no speed camera files)

The other is for mp3/dvd movies etc.

The steering wheel controls still work as does the bluetooth phone interface.

the unit is in fact the Fujitsu AVN6000.

Two drives behind the screen, which tilts back by pressing a button.

One drive is for the DVD with GPS maps on it. (Sensis "whereis" database with no speed camera files)

The other is for mp3/dvd movies etc.

The steering wheel controls still work as does the bluetooth phone interface.

the unit is in fact the Fujitsu AVN6000.

Maybe this isn't the time, place & thread, but can you take a picture of the unit when the front screen folded/opened out? I always assumed that screen was a fixed unit.

http://www.eclipse-web.com.au/Images/AVN6000_a.jpg
not the best picture but you get the idea.

That picture above is spot on except it could confuse people, the photo is of is TWO units not one.

If you take just the left hand one that is what it looks like....the one on the right is when the screen is normally in use.

As a side note...the DVD map updates are 300 bucks a pop.


Luckily a mate has worked out the how to get me a copy on dual layer disc.

We are currently up to Version 16...:)

while we are on the topic, is the cars security system linked to the head unit? I vaguely remember there was a whole era of cars were this was the case.

Not on the DB/ES. had no security issues replacing the H/U in mine.

Went to see my local Mitsu dealer just now, and the spare parts bloke reckons there are no new MCD units available anywhere in Australia. Apparently they were made by Eurovox who went bust a while ago. If a 380 owner makes a successful warranty claim on one of these units they replace it with something else (but he didn't say what).

KJ.

I was at a dealership today, I told the guy about this story of zero screens being available. He thought this was strange so he looked it up, there are presently 22 available.

Re warranty claim of the units, they are exchanged for reconditioned units, therefore warranty work should not reduce the 22 available count.

did you get a price on a new unit ?

did you get a price on a new unit ?

Sorry, no I did not.

$75 on ebay apparently.....?

yeah, thats mine on ebay...

yeah, thats mine on ebay...


are you including the plastic shroud?

nup..

might be a bit off topic here, but pulled the stereo out to investigate getting the cd player to work again, and there behind the stereo is a 22pin plug to nowhere...is this the one that plugs into the MCD in the higher spec'd models? Mine is an ES and has a loom up to the clock etc, and this other one into a holder behind the stereo. it has 6 red wires and 6 black wires.

Hey Kewefella.

Sorry about the late reply. The 22 pin plug to "nowhere" is actually part of the airbag system, so I wouldn't go messing with it.
It plugs into what appears to be a blank clip just to keep it out of the way, but it is not just a clip - it has pins and connects the red wires to the black ones.
If you were to go disconnecting that with the car running, you might get an airbag in the face.