Hey people, just a quick and stupid question, I'm thinking about the upgrade to parras but Veradas have the parklights in the front bumper, not the headlight assembly.

Are there any types of parras that have the parklights in them already?

Cheers.

not an expert on third gens. but its foglights in the bumper not parkers, and all paras have the parkers as part of the headlight assy. second gens there was a bit of cut and solder to swap but dont beleive this is the case with 3rd gen

The foglights sit below the 'bumper' and are quite near the ground. On the Veradas there are lights right on the edges of the main 'bumper' section and these are the parkers.

The Verada's have foglights low in the front apron, below the bumper-bar line, as do certain models of Magna.

The OP is correct that in Verada's (KE-KJ at least) the park lamps are mounted at the corner of the bumper bars, and there are no lamp-holders or wiring for parkers in the headlamp Units.

However, certain Magna models came standard with Parabolic Headlamps - as the Sports, for instance. These cars have a park-lamp bulb in the reflector of the headlamp unit and the wiring loom accommodates connecting to this. There is a short loom inside the headlamp unit which runs from the bulb-holder and out through the casing where a wiring connector clips on, ready for the main loom to attach to.

Good news is that any Parabolic Headlamp unit from a Verada will have a moulding for a park lamp bulb, both one piece and two-piece parras have the opening in the reflector (or mine in TJ II and KJ have them). They just lack the wiring in the bulb-holder (it is blanked-off instead), and they lack that short run of wire from the back of the bulb-holder to the outside of the headlamp unit (ie: outside the black plastic).

It a bit of fiddle but not impossible to use a Verada parra into a Magna. From what I have seen on my cars, the blanking piece in the reflector of the Verada parra is the bulb-holder with a small round blanking plate screwed on....... you'd just need the bulb contact "nipple" on the end of the electrical wire, and I suitable small spring to convert them.

Otherwise, for a more plug-n-play appraoch, try to get parras that came from a Magna. Search in here for threads about the wiring mods required for Hi-Low Beams - the looms are different between standard vs parra lights. The mod is straightforward and well-described in older posts. Parras use H1 and H7 bulbs, the Std lights use a dual-filament H4 bulb in the low-beam reflector - so a slight mod to car wiring is required.

Are the one piece the Verada ones?

A lot of the information I've pulled with a search shows recent posts which tend to assume that you know a fair bit about Parras already (as this is a pretty old community) so I appreciate the help you've given :D

Are the one piece the Verada ones?

A lot of the information I've pulled with a search shows recent posts which tend to assume that you know a fair bit about Parras already (as this is a pretty old community) so I appreciate the help you've given :D

Ive seen two pieces of AWDs, Series 2 VRXs etc so no they weren't isolated to veradas. Pretty sure KE/KF came with two piece ones.

Not entirely sure about one piece vs two piece. I tend to agree that two-piece parras (with glass lens) were in older series, and my KJ (2000 model) has these. My impression is that more modern cars switched to the one-piece (polycarbonate lens) parras.

Seems some members like the style of the one-piece, and other members prize the glass lens of the two-piece (resistent to yellowing, fine cracks etc).

When I bought my TJ (II) Sports, it had front damage which was patched-up cheaply - had std headlamps fitted, and hi-lo beams didn't work. I bought parras off E-bay, which happened to be one-piece and happended to have the park lamps in the headlamp housing. At the time, I did not appreciate the differences between std vs parra and between Magna parra and Verada parra - so was lucky that what I bought suited the car. I can't offer more help about the wiring mod needed, cos I haven't done it....... but excellent older threads existed with good info and pics.