G'day guys,

My Mum recons when I drive using the tiptronic, the gear box doesn't sound quite right (although I say that's crap) so I am not quite sure whether or not to use it all the time or at all. She also recons that I'll wreck it by using it but I just can't help using it as I don't really like autos and have just got rid of a 1999 Holden VT Commodore MANUAL to have it. So the closest thing to having a manual now is using the tiptronic on my auto TL.

So really all I want to know is whether or not the gear box will get damaged by using the tiptronic.

Thanks in advance:happy:

I've used mine in tiptronic mode every time I've driven it for over a year now, no major issues apart from my heavy right foot.

Treat it right and it'll behave as it should.

Thanks for your quick responce Lucifer. I also wanted to ask how to change with the tiptronic. Is there any particular way? Like do u have to let yr foot off the throttle a bit when u change the gears? Also, I don't like the feel of the first to second change as it takes a little while before it changes. Does yrs lag a bit on first to second change?

might need a service, fluid flush, or just a reset of the box. How many k's on the car?

also fit a trans cooler if you are going to use tippy alot

Yeah the car has got 99,800 kms. My parents owned it for about 3 years now (they've upgraded to a 2004 Hyundai Terracan) and have now given it to me. Ever since we've owned (we've had it since 35,000km and had the auto serviced at about 70,000km) it it's been laggy from first to second (takes around 1 second to change) in tiptronic only, in normal (in position "D") auto it's absolutely fine. And to respond to Mecha-wombat's post I didn't know that they didn't come with trans coolers already, so if I were to use it all the time, I'd have to get one?

I honestly can't think why you would want to drive in tiptronic all the time, it's jerky and generally feels nasty in my experience. It's hardly any better in my Falcon. But it won't damage the box. If you want to drive like a manual buy a manual, tiptronic is nothing like a manual.

Arent you in the states Mitch!

my tippy is 5 speed and only gets used when I am going downhill towards a SAFETY CAMERA or when I am on twisties or Highway cruising apart from that I CBF it is much nicer to let the box do its thing

Arent you in the states Mitch!

my tippy is 5 speed and only gets used when I am going downhill towards a SAFETY CAMERA or when I am on twisties or Highway cruising apart from that I CBF it is much nicer to let the box do its thing

Killing time on the way to the airport ;)

as above, the tippy is handy every now and then, but driving with it all the time, yuck.

Killing time on the way to the airport ;)

as above, the tippy is handy every now and then, but driving with it all the time, yuck.

I'd rather be driving with it all the time than not, just doesn't feel right lol But then again mine doesn't feel jerky.

On another note the TL that I drove (Twizted's) down the strip had a horrible tiptronic auto function, and seemed to have a massive 'gap' between first and second. Don't know if it was a problem with the box but it just didn't feel great at all compared to my own.

All TJ/L tiptronic 4 speed boxes I've driven (3 of them) have had a time lag between shifting and actually changing gear. As an aside, I find it preferable to use tiptronic to override the unnecessary shifts the box likes to do at around 60km/h (3 to 4) particularly during city driving.

My 5spd Tippy gets used mostly when slowing down - I prefer to go down through the gears so that I can always accelerate if I want to. I generally accelerate in "D" though as it will shift up early if just cruising and that seems more economical, plus it doesn't forget to change and bounce the motor off the rev limiter like I've done. :)

When shifting up manually, just hold the accelerator still - even if it's full throttle. If you lift off, it's jerky and horrible.
Downshifting: My 3 to 2 used to be horrible but I read on here that you can somehow reset or put the trans ECU into learn mode by going from D to N and back x number of times with a 5 second pause in each position. (I think x is 5?) My downshifts are noticeably smoother now.

Honestly, I don't like sequential boxes - I used to drive 1,2,5 around town in a manual, but can't do that anymore :(

Thanks for yr replies and helpful info guys. And o respond to oggy, I never use the downshift because it feels not quite right and it downshifts itself when I want it to when in tiptronic. As for the 1 to 2 change i don't like that feel either and sometimes when driving around town I go back to "D" to give it a bit of a break. I think I'll just use the tippy when showing off to mates or if I want to gun it. Does anyone know the top speed of the TL's? Cause I know that mine does 80km/h in 1st and 140km/h in 2nd but I don't know what it does in 3rd and at top speed (in 4th). Can anyone give me some info on this?

Its restricted to approx. 215kph.

i ran mine for the last 3 years useing tippy mode, had no problems, but i had an auto cooler. mine did die after 3 years but its not exactly stock either.

May I ask what died on it lenda? And to respond to zero, can u take the top speed limiter off?

You can....but err why do you need to go more then 215km/h? Not even I've reached that...

Lets put it this way, The manufacturer wouldnt give you tippy to stuf around with if it would hurt the box, Its there, use it

May I ask what died on it lenda? And to respond to zero, can u take the top speed limiter off?

why would you want to? even down a quarter mile at the drags it wont make it to that!!!

you could get a new ECU though... or perhaps a reflash (not sure on that one...)

Edit... beat me to the punch...

I use tip all the time, get bored otherwise. Only time I really use "D" is when I've had the battery out and I'm letting everything re-settle. Might have to investigate about trans cooler no that someone's mentioned it, though....

May I ask what died on it lenda? And to respond to zero, can u take the top speed limiter off?

Yes it can be done.....but your chances of finding someone to do it are very slim. :P

I use tippy mode all the time....no probs!

My car lives in Tippy 99% of the time. I'm not one for the pause between acceleration to kick down from the auto's, so I'd rather be shifting the gears myself and have it in the gear i want when I go to accelerate. I'm also quite fond of the burble from the exhaust on down changing when I'm slowing down, and I'd rather kick down a gear than brake if I'm slightly gaining on the car in front of me during normal driving.

Tippy is good for engine braking, holding gears around corners, and for controlling the gear changes. I tend to get lazy in the CBD, when I'm stuck in traffic, and will switch to auto mode, and then revert to one handed driving lol A trans cooler will also help keep the temperatures down, and they're not difficult to install, I highly recommend them http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1168192&postcount=1

methinks the OP needs a manual bogandore as oppose to an auto family car... ur 16, a TL ES isnt a thrasher car, or anything to overly show off, especially with stock suspension :P

leave the speed limiter as is. Most other half decent, more powerful cars will have u by the top end anyway, stock 3.5's have nothing up top.

tiptronic is actually good for quick accelerating, as it downshifts to 2nd at 100kph quickly, if that was me shifting to 2nd from 5th it would take 2 damn long!



PS anyone else having de-ja-vu over this thread? seems like every few months theres a topic similar :P

maybe thread lock time after some of the q's asked by the OP?

tiptronic is actually good for quick accelerating, as it downshifts to 2nd at 100kph quickly, if that was me shifting to 2nd from 5th it would take 2 damn long!

I strongly disagree with that point - in my previous manual cars, I could shift from 5th to 2nd MUCH faster than my tiptronic can shift from 5th to 4th to 3rd to 2nd - bloody sequential POS! :)

besides, I think you're just trolling for the sake of it - the OP said his previous car was a MANUAL bogandore, so never you mind.

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I strongly disagree with that point - in my previous manual cars, I could shift from 5th to 2nd MUCH faster than my tiptronic can shift from 5th to 4th to 3rd to 2nd - bloody sequential POS! :)

besides, I think you're just trolling for the sake of it - the OP said his previous car was a MANUAL bogandore, so never you mind.

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wasnt referring to manual gearbox, was referring to D vs tippy, D hits 2nd quicker than i can going down the gears with tippy...

yes but OP needs to realise the magna is not a commodore, read his posts! the magna is not a race car, or show off car, and shouldnt be taken about 200kph with stock suspension and stock brakes!

not trolling, just commonsense, world needs more of it

Hey but I tell u what the magna has shitloads better acceleration than my c'dore did. I noticed that my c'dore had basically no pull in 3rd until u got to about 80km/h. The old primitive 3.8L V6 holden engine has no where near as good torque or power as a 3.5L V6 24-valve mitsubishi engine. I am a holden fan but I think in the V6 side of thinks, commodores aren't that good. My old commodore was slower and not as efficient as my TL and hence the reason why I switched otherwise I would have kept the commie. Anyway, I am getting a sports suspension kit for the magna when I get the money together. And as for magnas, no they are not exactly race cars and nor are standard falcons and commodores either but on the street the magnas are way better than the c'dore V6s. From the lights to 100km/h or so we flogged an AU falcon easy. Also commodores are family cars too. The only thing I can say that I miss about my old POS c'dore with 187000km was the manual box and thats it I actually rather magnas now in the V6 side of things. However if I were to get a V8, I'd get a commie then. It was hard to let go of my old commie but I knew the magna was a better choice in all aspects (except for transmission). But yeah, I might get an auto cooler but in this point in time I'll just use the tippy every now and again.

The V6 in the Magnas are a good piece of kit. Always a nice little shock to people when they get in and they see what they're capable of. They also sound great.

I totally agree with u Tobed0g! Atm mine only sounds good when u get up it as I need to save up for a sports exhaust. I love to give those V6 and I6 c'dore and falcon owners a shock when I pull up next to them at the lights and boy do I shock 'em!!! The other day this d**khead in a VS V6 commodore tried to beat me and I didn't even give it my all, plus my car is heavier and plus I had 4 people in the car! And he only had him in the car and he was fully gunning it and I flogged the living daylights out of him!! (only went to the speed limit of course) Oh well when I see my old commie around I'll be able to flog it easy from the lights :P !!

Drag racing on your L's... rock on mate.

:P yeah mate! I'm not one of those L platers that are nervous and sh*t infact, if I get stuck behind and L plater myself I go "Oh no not an L plater" and I do this especially when I get stuck behind one that can't drive for sh*t or drives like 5-20 under the speed limit, jeeez I get p**sed off at those types. Oh yeah and in my old c'dore manual I tried to beat a daewoo lanos and I had to actually try a bit (revved it up to 5000rpm in first) to beat it (ofc only to the speed limit again). If I had the magna with me that day I would have beaten it without trying at all (more like only 3500rpm if that!!)!! Honestly when I first drove and even first got that magna I could not believe the torque and the throttle responce of it! And the top end isn't the best but is still awesome!

If u love manual so much, look into doing a manual conversion, I did it, feels like a totally different car, and get more power to the wheels, or sell up and find a manual magna

:P yeah mate! I'm not one of those L platers that are nervous and sh*t infact, if I get stuck behind and L plater myself I go "Oh no not an L plater" and I do this especially when I get stuck behind one that can't drive for sh*t or drives like 5-20 under the speed limit, jeeez I get p**sed off at those types. Oh yeah and in my old c'dore manual I tried to beat a daewoo lanos and I had to actually try a bit (revved it up to 5000rpm in first) to beat it (ofc only to the speed limit again). If I had the magna with me that day I would have beaten it without trying at all (more like only 3500rpm if that!!)!! Honestly when I first drove and even first got that magna I could not believe the torque and the throttle responce of it! And the top end isn't the best but is still awesome!

Mate, being a little nervous and careful is a whole lot better than being over confident like you sound,especially given your lack of experience (L's).

This can lead to the sort of things we see all to often, innocent people maimed and or killed.

Now, back on topic!

Yeah I realise that mate but I have been driving motorbikes since I was about 10.75 yo and driving cars since I was 12.5 yo so I have a bit of experience but yeah like you said I am only on my L's but still I am not a learner who's affraid or under confident.

Yeah I realise that mate but I have been driving motorbikes since I was about 10.75 yo and driving cars since I was 12.5 yo so I have a bit of experience but yeah like you said I am only on my L's but still I am not a learner who's affraid or under confident.

lol @ your attitude thinking your awesome in an auto magna.
So you raced a lanos in your commodore.....I dunno whats funnier....You racing a lanos or you almost getting beaten by it when you had to rev to "5000RPM to beat it"

As Lucifer said, Rock on dude, hope you hit mach 2.

Umm as far as i know the VL is a couple of hundred kg heavier. And mate sorry to say but your looking for trouble if you keep on dragging people, i dont know about you guys but new laws have been made in NZ now so if you get fined or charged and convicted for street racing or related offences ie burnouts etc, you get 3 chances then the 4th time they will impound and CRUSH your car. im not kidding, we have a huge problem in NZ of a few people wrecking it for the majority of modified car owners. now the cops here are pretty good, i have no probs with my strait through exhaust. not saying occasionly it cant be helped but to shit on some dickhead at the lights (case in point-1991 toyota levin GT, guy actually laughing at me!) just dont make a habit !! friendly advice !!

:P yeah mate! I'm not one of those L platers that are nervous and sh*t infact, if I get stuck behind and L plater myself I go "Oh no not an L plater" and I do this especially when I get stuck behind one that can't drive for sh*t or drives like 5-20 under the speed limit, jeeez I get p**sed off at those types. Oh yeah and in my old c'dore manual I tried to beat a daewoo lanos and I had to actually try a bit (revved it up to 5000rpm in first) to beat it (ofc only to the speed limit again). If I had the magna with me that day I would have beaten it without trying at all (more like only 3500rpm if that!!)!! Honestly when I first drove and even first got that magna I could not believe the torque and the throttle responce of it! And the top end isn't the best but is still awesome!

I can tell you this. I am a driving instructor by trade and if i had the pleasure of your company i would be working very hard to remove that bullshit bravado attitude that you seem to have. You arent a good driver at 16. No one is. I wasnt i can tell you that. But if you have this attitude you will never learn a thing as you seem to think that you are invincible. I can say that you arent and never will be. None of us are. Hell at 35 im still learning on a day to day basis.

Also, there are no kudos in trying to beat a Lanos. Actually the word "try" implies failure.

And remember the AMC management team don't condone drag racing or hooning behaviour of any sort. :ninja:

And to keep it on topic... No, it isnt bad to use the tippy. All you are doing is over riding the shift program in the auto with manual inputs.

I can tell you this. I am a driving instructor by trade and if i had the pleasure of your company i would be working very hard to remove that bullshit bravado attitude that you seem to have. You arent a good driver at 16. No one is. I wasnt i can tell you that. But if you have this attitude you will never learn a thing as you seem to think that you are invincible. I can say that you arent and never will be. None of us are. Hell at 35 im still learning on a day to day basis.

Also, there are no kudos in trying to beat a Lanos. Actually the word "try" implies failure.

And remember the AMC management team don't condone drag racing or hooning behaviour of any sort. :ninja:

And to keep it on topic... No, it isnt bad to use the tippy. All you are doing is over riding the shift program in the auto with manual inputs.

:bowrofl: I love you Dave

Yeah they wouldnt have included a tiptronic function if it was harmful to the transmission or caused premature faliure. you will find the Auto ECU has limits on speed and RPM that each gear will change at ie wont let you go to 1st at 100km/h etc.

Yeah they wouldnt have included a tiptronic function if it was harmful to the transmission or caused premature faliure. you will find the Auto ECU has limits on speed and RPM that each gear will change at ie wont let you go to 1st at 100km/h etc.

As does the standard inhibitor switch on an auto box, won't let you downshift below 50km/h. Tippy is just a digital inhibitor switch with gear locking. All controlled by the TCU.

I can tell you this. I am a driving instructor by trade and if i had the pleasure of your company i would be working very hard to remove that bullshit bravado attitude that you seem to have. You arent a good driver at 16. No one is. I wasnt i can tell you that. But if you have this attitude you will never learn a thing as you seem to think that you are invincible. I can say that you arent and never will be. None of us are. Hell at 35 im still learning on a day to day basis.
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All I'm thinking reading those above posts is here comes another hot shot soon to be fresh on his P's with way too much confidence in capabilities he doesn't have who's going to end up wrapping his car either around a pole or collecting an innocent bystander while attempting to show off said capabilities. Where you are now is where I was only a few years back, I too felt very confident in my abilities early on, it only takes one near miss to make you realise how novice you still are, take it from those who've experienced it, before you too make an error in judgment from that over-confidence.

Take it back a notch and pay attention to those teaching you to drive, over-confidence will not get you to any place anyone wants to be.

I tried to beat a daewoo lanos

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