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s4v3
29-12-2009, 07:07 PM
Just went to start the car after not moving it for a few weeks, and battery is drained. I don't have a second car, nor any jumper leads and both neighbours are tossers. Seeing as I have a spare ATX power supply from an old computer figured I'd try charge up the battery a bit. Soooo has anybody had any experiance doing this?

MadMax
29-12-2009, 07:14 PM
Battery won't charge. ATX will blow fuse. You will look silly.

Killer
29-12-2009, 07:16 PM
Does it provide 12 V? Requires several amperers to get any charge in few hours. In other words, if it gives 12-16 V and cuppla amps, go for it, but it will take some time.
But no, never done such.
BTW, better change - your neighbors hahaha.


Just went to start the car after not moving it for a few weeks, and battery is drained. I don't have a second car, nor any jumper leads and both neighbours are tossers. Seeing as I have a spare ATX power supply from an old computer figured I'd try charge up the battery a bit. Soooo has anybody had any experiance doing this?

MadMax
29-12-2009, 07:19 PM
Battery charger puts out 14.4 volts and has voltage and current regulation. ATX can't and don't. Don't bother.

ARS55
29-12-2009, 07:22 PM
Also battery chargers are DC not AC (possibly the other way around)

[TUFFTR]
29-12-2009, 07:25 PM
I;d somehow find out a way to get a battery charger.

s4v3
29-12-2009, 07:35 PM
Mmmmkay. Fuse hasn't blown. So me looking silly can sit in the naughty corner. Going through all my old tafe stuff and how stuff works it should be possible, just a bit of time.

The supply is just out of a computer it supplies -12, +12, 5v, GND. I guess I'll leave it for a few hours then and turnn it over then.

s4v3
29-12-2009, 07:45 PM
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What would you do if your car's battery is dead and you don't have anybody around to give you a jump? Need to have it working in time for the morning commute? This is what I did when I was in this situation. This is a quick tutorial on how to charge you car's battery using a power supply from a PC.


One evening I found myself in quite a pickle. I had forgotten a device plugged in to my 12 V cigarette lighter/power utility port overnight and through the next day while it was in my garage. When I went to get the device I had noticed that the car's battery was completely drained. I had no other car around to jump start it, and driving to a store was not an option as this was 10:30 at night and I need to drive to work in the morning.

Being a techie geek, I started rummaging through old stuff I had, looking for any possible way to charge a car battery. I had a collection of old broken PC's that I pulled parts out of occasionally when I needed to repair a computer, some of which still had the really old style AT power supplies that has a hard toggle switch and didn't require a motherboard to switch on. There are some useful voltage sources that you can get from a PC power supply, if you are a weekend electronic hobbyist and need a quick and not so dirty (PC power supplies deliver very precise, clean voltages that computer electronics require) source of power. When you measure the power leads coming from a power supply, you should find the following voltages, and the colors should be pretty standard:


Black: Earth Ground or 0V
Red: +5V
Yellow: +12V
Purple: -12V


These are the voltages present if using black, or earth ground as a reference. if you need a 24 volt source, use purple as your ground (-) and yellow for your source (+).

For my purposes, I used black and yellow. I had a 12V car cigarette/whatever plug from an old cell phone charger that I wasn't using anymore, so I didn't feel bad about butchering it. using a VOM/multimeter, I made sure that I matched which wire was for the +, which is the nipple of the 12V plug, and which one is ground. This is important because if you get them switched around you could short the car's systems and/or cause a fire, and you will be worse off than when you started. Once I wired the 12V plug to the PC power supply leads, I ran a 110V extension cord out to the car and managed to get it in the car and still be able to close the door.

**NOTE - Be careful doing this. If you sever the extension cord it or crimp it too much, it could short and ruin the cord/ make smoke/ pop the circuit breakers/ all of the above.

If you made it this far, you are doing rather well. Your car should have an 'always on' 12V port. Some cars have a few of them, some of which require the ignition key being in the other-than-off position. Don't use that one. Instead, use the always on port. Plug it in, turn the key on and your dash should come to life. Don't get to greedy and try to start the car, if the battery is low enough all it will do is overload the PC power supply. Don't try it, you've make it this far with the whole thing just to start over and you will soon run out of power supplies. By morning you car should start with little or no difficulty, as mine did. remember to unplug the 12V plug before starting the car. Why? Read the above paragraph.

Hope you learned something. Enjoy.

Sybian36
30-12-2009, 06:07 AM
Some older psu have trim pots inside you can bump up the voltage on the 12v rail up to 14-15v. Also atx standard psu will be putting out up to 18 amps on its 12v rail. good luck.
SCA will have a charger for $20-40 worth a walk maybe ?

s4v3
30-12-2009, 02:54 PM
Success, with a few modifications. I shorted out a few resistors on the 12v line to up the voltage to ~14v and I left the ATX power supply hooked up to the battery whille I was at work. Battery voltage was 11.2 before and 12.6 after.

MadMax
30-12-2009, 03:15 PM
Well, I'll be . . . . . . . . congrats!

Mrmacomouto
30-12-2009, 05:46 PM
Well, I'll be . . . . . . . . congrats!

It should work, but you wont have over charging protection.

To get some more amps out of it you could join a few different rails together.

Isilder
19-02-2010, 08:33 PM
>and I left the ATX power supply hooked up to the battery while I was at work.

I hope you work in the garage where the car was.. That power supply could have caught fire.
The reason is that it has little in the way of current limiting.

In fact, even with bought battery charges, you should not leave them alone when in use...

Was at a mini mechanics workshop and there was a burnt morris.. mechanic just said "he was charging the battery ... half his house is burnt too"

cuppas
20-02-2010, 04:31 PM
i approve of the ghetto mechanic-ness that has occurred.

alternatively, you could have bought a battery charger

s4v3
20-02-2010, 06:52 PM
I'm an electrical apprentice... All my money goes to the car atm and the g/f. In that order.

djnewy
20-02-2010, 07:35 PM
For all the time it has taken to do all the research, mods to the power supply and the risk of blowing somthing up I am sure is the reason why the NRMA was invented???

BUT...

to do all that, actually make a theory come to life and work and silence a few critics is a great bloody effort champ!!!

DJ