Help..

So i have got My licence back. i go to start the magna and i have a whole lot of nothing.

the starter = ok, engine is turing over like a champion
the fuel = ok, i pulled of the return line, and cranked once. fuel.
the spark = ok, i got my spark tester and it was good, i didn't believe it so i grounded the spark lead and it sparked...

i ran jumper leads to a ruinning car, no change.

it just wont start what have i forgot. it's only been a month since it's run, and i really want to go for a drive.. suggestions??

0) Make sure your shifter isn't in D (if Auto)
1) push start it (if manual)
2) Put a toaster under the sump to warm up the engine oil? :cool:
3) tow it to the mechanic. :cry:

Fuel pump? sounds like you may not be getting fuel if it is cranking over and has spark

i get high pressure fuel no drama's it comes out the rail without a problem when cranked... there was probably a better way to check tho.

ti doesn't seem to cough or splutter, just sounds like it's missing something crutial, like fuel or a spark, but i got them both,

i tried to push start it, but i dont have a hill, i'd need to get it towed somewhere to do it.

it's just very strange.. it cranks and cranks and cranks... but no good!..... i'm so upset. i just want to go for a drive,

you don't need a hill to push start it, but it is easier with a hill. then again, it could make life a lot harder too if you can't start it the first time and have to push it up the hill again.

Just do a runner, get another bluke to help you push it, make sure it's going at least running pace before releasing the clutch. I'm assuming you know how to push start it. Just in case you aren't sure, this is what I do, Key left in on/acc so you've got power to everything including A/C, fans etc... (if you're doing this by yourself) leave it in Neutral and start pushing in a straight road, make sure you can see where you're going and no cars or people will come out of no where, as you won't be able to stop your car that quickly, with you out side the driver side door. when the car is going about running pace, jump inside the car (Quickly before it loses speed) clutch in, put into 1st then release clutch fully (this will Jerk the car a lot!) if the car starts, clutch back in and slowly stop the car so you don't keep going down the road, if it doesn't start the car would have lost a lot of speed or it may even have come to a complete stop, you have to try again. This is assuming that you have spark and petrol.

well i dont have a great location to start roll starting, and i probably would do that...


but i just dont get why it wont start cough or splutter when it's on the starter motor... is roll starting going to make that much difference???

The only thing I can think of is that your injectors arn't firing.
Since you have:
-fuel pressure in the rails
-spark
-starter motor is working

Dunno if it can happen, but maybe the injectors are stuck due to sediment in the fuel sticking from not being used in a while :doubt:

how long have you been without your licence nick? good to see you have it back. now lets see if you can keep it for more than 12 minutes.... :D :D

how long have you been without your licence nick? good to see you have it back. now lets see if you can keep it for more than 12 minutes.... :D :D
cheers. i'll take that as a sign of luck

only 1 month this time

Hi,

I posted a request for help on here a while ago for a similar problem. It was suggested to me it could be a faulty crank angle sensor which is stopping the car starting. Sounds like all the trouble I was having, although mine was interimittent, but the last time it happened, the car did'nt start for two or three days. Might be a job for mitsubishi?

The only other thing that I can think of might be the coil, I had a similar thing happen in a falcon which had crank, fuel and spark but it would kinda start and then die straight away.

Hope this may be of some help.

have you checked the plugs themselves? just because the lead sparks doesnt mean the plugs are. i dunno why they wouldnt though but it might be worth a look. 5 minutes taking out a plug as apposed to days and $$$ taking it to a mechanic? just a thought.

will try tonight. cheers.. plugs are comming out. it it possible that the injectores are not firing. cause there is not even a hint that it's going to start...

hope it's the plugs.

will try tonight. cheers.. plugs are comming out. it it possible that the injectores are not firing. cause there is not even a hint that it's going to start...

hope it's the plugs.

Yeah could be the plugs, I forgot you only pulled the leads off to check :redface:

ok i think that it is the computer.. i have checked the plugs and they are sparking ok.

i tried jumping of another car again. it was just cranking and cranking,

when i was checking the plugs i poured just a little petrol down the spark plug hole, and cranked once.

and ta da... working magna, not the best way to start a car, but it worked,

anyway i went to the petrol station to get some fuel and turned the car off. DAM! now it's sttuck on the side of the road and it needs to be towed home.. it just wont start at all. i think that it's ECU related..

anymore ideas?

hey mate

I had the same problem with my car....It just would not start.....the problem was with the imobiliser.....i was using my old key but when i used my new key the car started everytime....so if you got a imobiliser that could be the problem

i dont have a spare key. when i bought the car it didnt come with one.... is there anyway that i could get past this.... or perhaps i have dislodged a wire or plug behind the Keyhole???

Don't clutch start it, its not good for new cars

if it was something to do with the immobiliser it still wouldnt have started when you poured the petrol into the cylinder. going from that it must be a fuel supply issue, although it still kinda doesnt make any sense. the force of that one fire was enough to kick start something into action, but i dunno why it would keep doing it. sounds to me like you have a rendezvous with a mechanic my friend.

Check Air flow meter connection or override it with wire, than try again

How can that be !! ! !! started it up just by pouring petrol into one of the cylinders and the car kept running until you switched it off again, then it wouldn't start no more. That is one sensitive magna you got there, are you giving her enough TLC.

I think your injectors are fine, your plugs are fine, your firing should be fine if the car ran normal during your short drive to the service station. I would recommend you to take your car to Mitsubishi, because if it's computer related trouble, your normal mechanic wouldn't know how to fix it, and you'll be left to chase your own tail.

it's something to do with the injectors. they are not firing, it may be fuse related.. i'll have to inspect in daylight. interestingly, when i was towed home last night.

i think that the ecu is playing games, i disconnected and reconnected the Crank Angle, Dizzy, TPS, Injectors... not sure what else. however it didn't make a difference,

initially i thought it was the fuel, but there is pressure in the rail, but no fuel makes it to the cylinder. as i have checked spark, and if i do drop a little petrol down the hole, it does fire, but it does not continue to fire.. ???? :shock: strange problem

how long did you not drive your car @ all? within that whole month of losing your licence did your car ever get taken for a drive every now n then?

nope, i didn't drive it at all. cause the battery when flat, it's a crap battery anyway. umm. i got it started via a jump and i drove at least 3 k's from home, it drove well, there was power and breaks all the nessary things, but when it came time to restart it. nothing... i think that the ECU is crapped itself. but i'm not sure. i am going to unplug all the fuse's and connections to see if it helps at all...

i'm a little upset that i didn't drive the whole time, only to have this happen.

Change your battery to a brand new one and see what happens, I recon thats your problem.

I once had a low charged battery and the car ran weirddly, you could here all the relays working because they were running slowlly, and somtimes it wouldn't do anything, changed the battery and started first time without a hiccup :D

cheers for the suggestion, but i dont think that it's going to make the difference, i have 2 voltage meters in the car, 1 incar, and 1 under the bonnet. both read 13.4 volts off the alternator, so once the car is actionally running, then there is no lack of power, when jumping it's also got higher the 12 volts.

cheers for the suggestion, but i dont think that it's going to make the difference, i have 2 voltage meters in the car, 1 incar, and 1 under the bonnet. both read 13.4 volts off the alternator, so once the car is actionally running, then there is no lack of power, when jumping it's also got higher the 12 volts.

yes and thats why the keeps running once started, but you need a good charge in your battery to start the car, I had it happen to my car, no reponse from turning the key....new battery bang started first go

i'll try it, cause i need to upgrade for the stereo anyway, but it turns over like a champion. ren ren ren ren ren....
no worries, its definatly a lack of fuel. and there is definatly fuel in the rail!.

i'll try it, cause i need to upgrade for the stereo anyway, but it turns over like a champion. ren ren ren ren ren....
no worries, its definatly a lack of fuel. and there is definatly fuel in the rail!.

Ahhh yeah I forgot it turn over ren ren ren ren :redface: hehehe

Well I'm all out mate...no idea, but give the battery a go anyway to make me feel better lol

if your stepper motor on you t/b is not pluged in or is stuffed it wont start.......

try sqwert some fuel donw your t/b........should start then

you know what i think that is the problem, i get some weird noises from about the TB position. click click click. when you turn it off... strange, i'll look into that. now for the train ride to my car. night all. MAL if you read this, can you please call me... cheers

i had this problem on my old magna,
turned out it was the distributor

It is most likely the start position on the ignition switch. if you have spark the ecu is fine. I have had this sort of problem before, if I can get hold of you as I tried to call you I will give you some tips to diagnose this.
The TPS, idle stepper etc will not stop it from starting, the crank angle if not working will not allow spark either.

i have decided that the car was just upset with me... i had my dad come and give me a jump start, but i got him to turn the key, and it fired 1st time without trying or checking anything....

strange..

Anyway i decided to give it a run.. went throught the dandies last night... man there was so much fog, i found myself doing about 40km/h most of the way across the top, at one stage i could barely see 5meters in front. and was proceeding at walking pace...

anyway seems all good now. started for me this morning, 1st time. so i assume it was getting back at me for not driving her... for the last month, (dam moodie car)

it might be worth checking if the crank-angle sensor is faulty, i used to have the same intermittent problem as you, until i got stranded a couple of times and decided to have it checked heheh


anyways, good luck with your car


later :cool:

From what i have read its sounds like STAIL FUEL

crank it for a good 20 seconds then wip out a plug and see if its wet. this will test if fuel is getting in..

Alternativly crank it with the plugs out and it should puff out a mist of petrol every compression stroke

Oh so it goes now, maybe the fuel in the lines just got a little stale and now its been cranked and flushed out its right?

well it's stuck again... i am going to get it home and then figure out the problem there is some wiring i want to do behind the dash as well! what a pain...

anyway if it doesn't start again today i am going to have it towed all the way home, and it's not close..!

dam! tandem trailer. $60

it might be worth checking if the crank-angle sensor is faulty, i used to have the same intermittent problem as you, until i got stranded a couple of times and decided to have it checked heheh


anyways, good luck with your car


later :cool:

2much I suggest having this checked out