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Dingers
08-03-2010, 07:26 PM
Hey guys,
just wanted to know if these

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CJ-Mitsubishi-Lancer-VRX-Rims-and-Tyres_W0QQitemZ120538504825QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_C ar_Parts_Accessories?hash=item1c10a79e79

will fit on my TJ Solara.

Also, being 18", what would the difference in speed compared to the speedo be?

Cheers,
Matt

PS: I'm not buying those ones on eBay.

TimmyC
08-03-2010, 07:27 PM
Yeh they will fit, going by the fact Type40 and D-Van have them on their cars. Regarding the speedo not sure

Dingers
08-03-2010, 07:30 PM
Beautiful. I'll have to pm them about speedo discrepancy.

Lucifer
08-03-2010, 07:40 PM
Speedo is related entirely to your choice of tyre. Match the overall rolling diameter of the tyre to the standard unit and you won't have much of a discrepancy. 235/40/R18 is a common choice for most people running 18's, not sure if that will fit on those.

M4DDOG
08-03-2010, 07:43 PM
The rims will fit fine but i'm 99% certain the tyres will be too far off (meaning yes, the speedo will be way out).

If you were to get the rims, you will need to buy new tyres, you will be able to get tyres which will make your speedo accurate.

RINGA///ART
08-03-2010, 07:52 PM
Speedo is related entirely to your choice of tyre. Match the overall rolling diameter of the tyre to the standard unit and you won't have much of a discrepancy. 235/40/R18 is a common choice for most people running 18's, not sure if that will fit on those.

From Factory, the Lancer VRX rims had 215/45/R18's on them, I'm assuming you'd need a lower profile?

My mum had her tyres replaced (on her CJ VRX) and the tyre joint put 235/40/R18's on there and they certainly didn't look like they fitted the rims properly - they looked very flat even with 40psi in them. So obviously too wide, hence it went straight back.

[TUFFTR]
08-03-2010, 07:53 PM
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
Keeping 215;s on those 18's will throw the speedo out approx 2km/h

RINGA///ART
08-03-2010, 07:55 PM
;1215309']http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
Keeping 215;s on those 18's will throw the speedo out approx 2km/h

Cheers for that Tuffy ;)

Red Valdez
08-03-2010, 08:23 PM
My mum had her tyres replaced (on her CJ VRX) and the tyre joint put 235/40/R18's on there and they certainly didn't look like they fitted the rims properly - they looked very flat even with 40psi in them. So obviously too wide, hence it went straight back.
You're correct, the CJ VRX rims are only 7" wide... 235 profile tyres are for a minimum of a 7.5" rim (ideal for 8" wide).


http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
Keeping 215;s on those 18's will throw the speedo out approx 2km/h
Where did you get that from? TJ Solaras came with 205/65R15 (according to Redbook)... compared to 215/45R18 there's only a 3mm (or 0.5km/h) difference between them (which, Dingers, is as good as you can get, and is well within legal tolerances)

WytWun
08-03-2010, 08:25 PM
Those lancer rims are quite attractive. 18x7 I believe, and the tyres in the listing are the same as fitted to a Lancer VRX I see regularly in the carpark at work. Pity they're load rating is only 89, as the overall diameter very closely matches that of the standard 205/65R15 (651mm vs 647mm) tyres. At 7" they seem a bit narrow to run any other size, though 225/45R18 (659mm diameter) might work okay and should be legal (I know 95 load rating is available in this size, 92 load rating is the best I've seen in the Lancer size).

Somewhere in these forums I came across this wheel calculator (http://www.rimsntires.com/rt_specs.jsp) (plenty of others around too) which might help you check things out.

Andy

s4v3
08-03-2010, 09:49 PM
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76103

Yeah they do fit. Speedo is fine to the point where I haven't received a fine yet,

SH00T
09-03-2010, 04:35 AM
You will need the nuts that go with the rims if you take them, the have a captive washer. 11.00 each from Mitsubishi, or 5.50 - 7.00 aftermarket.

Dingers
09-03-2010, 08:14 AM
Alright, so conclusion is, keep the stock Lancer tyres on them, and buy the special nuts that go with the rims which have captive washers.

[TUFFTR]
09-03-2010, 09:33 AM
You're correct, the CJ VRX rims are only 7" wide... 235 profile tyres are for a minimum of a 7.5" rim (ideal for 8" wide).


Where did you get that from? TJ Solaras came with 205/65R15 (according to Redbook)... compared to 215/45R18 there's only a 3mm (or 0.5km/h) difference between them (which, Dingers, is as good as you can get, and is well within legal tolerances)

Err was comparing the Standard CJ VRX 215 tyre to the more suited 235 width 18" tyre there for people wanting to know if they got Lancer rims AND tyres if there would be any speedo inaccuracy. I wasn't comparing magna tyre sizes.

vlad
09-03-2010, 10:15 AM
Alright, so conclusion is, keep the stock Lancer tyres on them, and buy the special nuts that go with the rims which have captive washers.

No. Eventhough the OD of the Lancer tyre is only slightly larger than that for a Solara, the load rating will be way off at 89 compared to 95 which is illegal.

FFEEkY
09-03-2010, 10:25 AM
No. Eventhough the OD of the Lancer tyre is only slightly larger than that for a Solara, the load rating will be way off at 89 compared to 95 which is illegal.
:stoopid:

this will be your main problem.

SA TFer
09-03-2010, 10:44 AM
as noted before, pm one of the three guys who are currently running these wheels and see what tyres they have fitted, D-Van, Type 40 or s4v3.

Red Valdez
09-03-2010, 10:48 AM
;1215477']Err was comparing the Standard CJ VRX 215 tyre to the more suited 235 width 18" tyre there for people wanting to know if they got Lancer rims AND tyres if there would be any speedo inaccuracy. I wasn't comparing magna tyre sizes.
My bad.

I've got 235/40R18s on my VR-X, they're 11mm smaller than the stock 225/50R17s; so the 215/45R18s (at 3mm) would be a better match size-wise, but both are within the legal diameter tolerances.

SH00T
09-03-2010, 10:58 AM
One should ask the seller if they would included in the sale, they would have been given new nuts to go with their upgraded rims undoubtedly.

s4v3
11-03-2010, 02:40 AM
Hey man I'm really no expert when it comes to tires. I just followed the requirements on the sticker onside the drivers door arch. The tires on an AWD car require a higher load rating than tires on a normal magna. I bought the cheapest ones I could find off ebay that would fit. There is no rubbing on them and as for grip I can't really tell - being an AWD car and all.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190364316396

I hope this helps.

vlad
11-03-2010, 06:57 AM
Hey man I'm really no expert when it comes to tires. I just followed the requirements on the sticker onside the drivers door arch. The tires on an AWD car require a higher load rating than tires on a normal magna. I bought the cheapest ones I could find off ebay that would fit. There is no rubbing on them and as for grip I can't really tell - being an AWD car and all.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190364316396

I hope this helps.


Again, eventhough those tyres at 235/40R18 have 95 load rating, their OD is only 645mm compared with stock AWD tyres of 215/60R16 with OD of 664mm. That is a massive 19mm difference. The best matching tyres for AWDs in the 18" size are: 225/45R18 at 5mm smaller OD and 235/45R18 at 5mm larger OD. 225/45R18 Maxxis Z1S is around $250 per tyres if you are in Melbourne or $280 per tyre if you are in Adelaide. 235/45R18 is > $350 per tyre.

Dingers
11-03-2010, 05:19 PM
I'm gonna stick the rims on with lancer tyres on it when my current tyres die.

What's the worst that can happen? If it's a defect, I couldn't care less.

FFEEkY
11-03-2010, 09:38 PM
I'm gonna stick the rims on with lancer tyres on it when my current tyres die.

What's the worst that can happen? If it's a defect, I couldn't care less.
The load rating could very well affect your insurance coverage. The yoko's supplied with the lancer are an 89, where the magna needs a 95. This is a pretty big difference

Tobed0g
11-03-2010, 09:43 PM
Agreed with FFEEkY. If an insurance evaluator sees that load rating then the claim will be denied and you'll be up to pay damages.

Dingers
11-03-2010, 09:52 PM
Damn it.

Whats the significance in that difference in load rating anywho?

vlad
11-03-2010, 10:13 PM
Damn it.

Whats the significance in that difference in load rating anywho?

89 = 580kg/tyre
95 = 690kg/tyre

The above is not static weight but is meant to include dynamic weight transfer during breaking, acceleration, cornering and towing etc.

WytWun
12-03-2010, 07:10 PM
The load rating could very well affect your insurance coverage. The yoko's supplied with the lancer are an 89, where the magna needs a 95. This is a pretty big difference

Minor point: I know the AWDs require 95 load rated tyres, but I was under the impression that Magna FWDs only required 94?

Andy

vlad
12-03-2010, 09:37 PM
Minor point: I know the AWDs require 95 load rated tyres, but I was under the impression that Magna FWDs only required 94?

Andy

Not all FWDs. Certainly not a 2000 TJ Solara Advance. The later VRX/Sports have min 94.

Dingers
13-03-2010, 09:08 AM
If I were to take the risk and put them on, would they be massively unsafe to drive with?

That sounds like a stupid question... I just don't want to replace new tyres, with new tyres.

vlad
13-03-2010, 01:09 PM
If I were to take the risk and put them on, would they be massively unsafe to drive with?

That sounds like a stupid question... I just don't want to replace new tyres, with new tyres.


It will probably be safe if you do not exceed 60kph for prolonged amount of time, with proper inflation and just yourself in the car and not braking/accelerating/cornering too hard and check for signs of stress regularly. But then again I may be wrong. Just a thought. Maybe you can sell it to someone on the EVO/GSR forum or do a swap deal with a tyre dealer.

Dingers
13-03-2010, 01:11 PM
Swap with a tyre dealer... Interesting proposition.

vlad
13-03-2010, 01:26 PM
Swap with a tyre dealer... Interesting proposition.

Dealers to sell 2nd hand tyres. I'm sure they'll give you a fair price upon seeing the condition of the tyres. CDT at nailsworth has a complete set for sell. Can't remember the exact price but was in the vicinity of $2000.

Lugo
13-03-2010, 01:29 PM
When we organised these for Type40's car, I'm pretty sure 235/40R18's were the choice, and from what Dave's told me I'm pretty sure he's happy with the combination. Let him confirm though.

The 235/40R18's will be the closest you'll get to factory rolling radius without going for an unusual tyre size.