Hey guys,

I have the chance to buy sony splits for 110$, they are like 260 max output with a continious power rating of 60w. the bigger speaker measures 6 inches and the smaller is like the standard size for a tweeter. Anyway i currently have mtx 3 way 6.5's in the front and was wondering if there was any difference in sound at all. And are they hard to install? cause i saw that they come with a crossover thing.

Thanks

Well of course there will be a difference in sound, almost the whole speaker will be constructed of different materials and have different tolerances and characteristics.

What model Sony's and what model MTX's? I like the sound of MTX's personally....I wouldnt replace them with bargain basement sony's.

the sony model i dont know because it is a 2009 model but i was thinking of going with the option audio splits at wow sight and sound for 99$. My mtx 6.5's model is, thx603 and its a 6 inch lol dunno why i thought it was a 6.5 lol

I don't see the point mate. If your going to spend money save up and do a big upgrade towards the $300 mark then you know you have something thats going to be an insane jump in quality.

yea tru aye, i was goin to get the cheap splits but i might as well wait, save a bit and then get something a bit better quality. Thanks for the help, much appreciated.

Well... there is a bonus and a negative to your upgrade..

The MTX speakers are well made and all but being a 3-way, and firing into your leg, their staging won't be as good as the Splits..

It would depend on what the rest of your system is whether I would go for them or not..

Looking at the Option Audio splits, I cant say I have heard them before.. They have a double roll surround on the woofer which I am not a huge fan of..
If there only $99, I say go in and have a listen to them, With a Set of Splits, you will be able to lift your front stage.

So The Bonus : Clearer Front Stage ( Depending on the Quality of the Tweeter, the Option Audio do have a beefy cross over)
and hell $99 is a small price to pay..

Down Side : If they sound Crap, then your better off with the MTX's you have.. Never buy speakers you dont hear yourself.. If the store doesn't demo them, then they can't be worth listening to.

if anything go 2 way coax. 3+ way fails in the ass.

if the sonys have a crossover (highly doubt it) you should only run them with an amp, (so if you dont have an amp, dont run them if they have crossovers.) i would run the sonys over the mtx purley because they are splits and they will give better sq imho, and in all likelihood, they probably just use a resistor as a crossover.
The 2 speakers are around the same price so i dont think that one will be better quality than the other. at the end of teh day we arent talking about expensive speakers so there will be sfa difference in the bass output, but more in the tweeter output.
i think the explods will be louder because they are a full cone (no coaxle), and components generally go harder

as said, One advantage of splits is that they can raise the sound stage from you feet up to your head if positioned correctly.

If the speakers were mounted at head height (like on the parcel shelf) i would go the mtx because they would have better sq in that situation. but because we are talking about your feet, go with the splits.

No real need to upgrade. I would budget your money and get something much better like a bigger $200-$300 investment. Because all you will really be doin is taking a steep sideways instead of forward. Have a go at sound deadening then if you are unhappy, then put some money away for higher quality speakers. Forget your Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, JBL, MTX.

Focal, Hertz, Image Dynamics, DD, RE

These are the brands to look out for (in a good way)

if the sonys have a crossover (highly doubt it) you should only run them with an amp, (so if you dont have an amp, dont run them if they have crossovers.) i would run the sonys over the mtx purley because they are splits and they will give better sq imho, and in all likelihood, they probably just use a resistor as a crossover.
The 2 speakers are around the same price so i dont think that one will be better quality than the other. at the end of teh day we arent talking about expensive speakers so there will be sfa difference in the bass output, but more in the tweeter output.
i think the explods will be louder because they are a full cone (no coaxle), and components generally go harder

as said, One advantage of splits is that they can raise the sound stage from you feet up to your head if positioned correctly.

If the speakers were mounted at head height (like on the parcel shelf) i would go the mtx because they would have better sq in that situation. but because we are talking about your feet, go with the splits.

I shouldn't but I will.

Sony only make 1 set of splits in the current line up. Perhaps looking into it would tell more of story. They are indeed a set with an external passive xover. Just because they have this xover, doesn't mean you have to run them off an amp, while it will make them sound better, it is not necessary for everyone.

2 speakers at the same price will sound vastly different. In the woofer alone, paper / kevlar / composite will all sound different. Then the tweeters will sound different again partly due to the different materials.

Again there can be huge differences in mid bass out of same priced woofers. Another variable can also come down to mounting and the correct door preparation.

As mentioned, have a listen to any potential speaker before buying. You might like the way a set sounds like and that is all that matters. I also agree that you should wait and look into $200 - 300 sets and you will notice a huge improvement.

Again there can be huge differences in mid bass out of same priced woofers. Another variable can also come down to mounting and the correct door preparation.
at the end of the day we are talking about cheapo speakers here, not $300+ sets that are tuned for certain music. there will not be much difference here in the quality of the two products.


Sony only make 1 set of splits in the current line up. Perhaps looking into it would tell more of story. They are indeed a set with an external passive xover. Just because they have this xover, doesn't mean you have to run them off an amp, while it will make them sound better, it is not necessary for everyone.
i was just speculating whether or not they had an external crossover, and apparently they do.
if you run a set of components with an external crossover loud, without correct power and they will be f'ed in alot less time than a coaxial.

there is no point running 60watt components off a 13 watt head unit, you are better off using the coaxial.
on the other hand if you have an amp, 30watts rms+, most definitley use the xplods.
thats what i was trying to say.
out off the 2 sony xplod component 6.5 inch speakers they offer, these are the cheaper ones, but they would still be better than the mtx using an amp.

at the end of the day we are talking about cheapo speakers here, not $300+ sets that are tuned for certain music. there will not be much difference here in the quality of the two products.

Not many speakers are built to be "tuned" to certain genres. The Sony uses a HOP cone which has never been renowned for producing quality mid bass under 125Hz. The MTX has something similar but different, using an injected PP cone and cheap PEI tweeter. Then you have different motor structures, suspension sets ups etc etc all which make every speaker unique. Just because you think they are "cheap" doesn't mean they will sound the same. This is why Auditioning is so important.


i was just speculating whether or not they had an external crossover, and apparently they do. if you run a set of components with an external crossover loud, without correct power and they will be f'ed in alot less time than a coaxial.

Any speaker will last regardless of power input. It all depends on how you exercise common sense. A mate had $150 2 way co axials and replaced them with $250 splits all running of a headunit. The headunit had a HPF and the splits still sounded much better. Yes they sounded much better with 65WRMS behind them but where still loud and would have lasted off the headunit. Keep it under 5% THD and they will last.


there is no point running 60watt components off a 13 watt head unit, you are better off using the coaxial. on the other hand if you have an amp, 30watts rms+, most definitley use the xplods.
thats what i was trying to say. out off the 2 sony xplod component 6.5 inch speakers they offer, these are the cheaper ones, but they would still be better than the mtx using an amp.

What is the other set Sony offer? They have the 1620 and the 1621 which is the replacement?

I think you should listen to your ears and see if you notice an improvement. Audtion audition audition. My opinion is exactly that, your ears will tell you what to do :D

i realise they are different designs, and i know that speakers arent tuned for different music, i should have saud that some suit certain types of music, rather than others. when i first got my amp i put some expensive focals up front, and they were sweet listening to older, or rnb music. but for rock and hardcore, the original xplods i got with my hu were better. i got some Rockford punchs and it made it so much better.

also, from experience, if you are playing the head unit loud, you will likely get distortion from the head unit, and this can do damage to crossovers, i think the head unit he is running (52x4 xplod) would suit the mtx better than the xplod, unless there is an amp involved.

ok so i went in to wow and had a listen to their range and wow it was a massive range lol i have decided to go with the splits, partially because it splits the sound into two sections which allows me to mount the tweeter in a higher location. Unlike the 3 way where i cant move the tweeter. Anyway i didnt end up buying the sony splits but i am gonna buy the kicker splits instead. i had a listen to it in the store and they sounded superb. I will be running these of the amp. does anyone else think this is a good set of splits? here is a link, https://shop.1wow.com.au/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=23&idproduct=5338 does anyone have any recommendations?

here are some
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-ROCKFORD-FOSGATE-FNX-2614-6-5-2-Way-Component-Set_W0QQitemZ190364034180QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item2c5294a484

i realise they are different designs, and i know that speakers arent tuned for different music, i should have saud that some suit certain types of music, rather than others. when i first got my amp i put some expensive focals up front, and they were sweet listening to older, or rnb music. but for rock and hardcore, the original xplods i got with my hu were better. i got some Rockford punchs and it made it so much better.

also, from experience, if you are playing the head unit loud, you will likely get distortion from the head unit, and this can do damage to crossovers, i think the head unit he is running (52x4 xplod) would suit the mtx better than the xplod, unless there is an amp involved.
You should stop arguing with Mr ©harisma, he's one of the most knowledgable people on these forums when it comes to car audio. The running of splits off a headunit compared to coax's sounds like complete crap to me, distortion from the source, be it an amplifier or a headunit, will damage the speakers regardless of whether there's a crossover inbetween or not. I've run plenty of different speakers in my cars now, cheapies and high end speakers, both ampped and off the deck, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the price bracket was completely irrelevant when it came to comparing SQ off each speaker, and that I've never once experienced issues with having a headunit run splits with crossovers straight off a headunit.

I've heard both the speakers your talking about, in my opinion the staging from the Sony splits is a lot better (which really goes without saying), but the midrange is lacking, and the MTX's tend to exaggerate the midrange. Both have a pretty harsh top end when you crank them up, mid bass so so on the both, wouldn't run either without a sub, but would take the MTX's over the Sony splits if you were. That's all my opinion though, go listen yourself!

You should stop arguing with Mr ©harisma, he's one of the most knowledgable people on these forums when it comes to car audio. The running of splits off a headunit compared to coax's sounds like complete crap to me, distortion from the source, be it an amplifier or a headunit, will damage the speakers regardless of whether there's a crossover inbetween or not. I've run plenty of different speakers in my cars now, cheapies and high end speakers, both ampped and off the deck, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the price bracket was completely irrelevant when it came to comparing SQ off each speaker, and that I've never once experienced issues with having a headunit run splits with crossovers straight off a headunit.

I've heard both the speakers your talking about, in my opinion the staging from the Sony splits is a lot better (which really goes without saying), but the midrange is lacking, and the MTX's tend to exaggerate the midrange. Both have a pretty harsh top end when you crank them up, mid bass so so on the both, wouldn't run either without a sub, but would take the MTX's over the Sony splits if you were. That's all my opinion though, go listen yourself!
this is exactly what i have said all along, but an external crossover will draw more power, causing you to turn it up more at the source to acheive the same volume, causing it to distort. I am not arguing, infact, he is saying pretty much what i have, but where i used dumbed down terms, he stated the more complex term and make what i say look stupid, but i am just trying to convey the message so the op can understand it easily, without consulting wiki. End of the day, good/average splits = shit on low power input, so use an amp.

I heard those kicker 6.5in at wow aswell and they did sound very nice, but stuff always seems to sound better at wow lol

Anyway i didnt end up buying the sony splits but i am gonna buy the kicker splits instead. i had a listen to it in the store and they sounded superb.

You just answered your own question. You like them so get them :D

Or course there are heaps of splits in that price range, my favourite set in the price range would be the Boston S60 - but I am slightly bias lol.

Just make sure you mount them correctly and you should enjoy them for many years to come.

As Mr Charisma has said... take the time and install them properly and you will be happy with them...
Gotta agree the S60's are nice...

Wether you run them off the deck until you get them amped or Just wait till you get the amp then install them is up to you...
I generally Install first, Amp 2nd.. this way the speakers are warmed in before I crank the nuts off them...
It gives time for the speakers suspension to "Soften up " before being exercised to their limits.

lol is it really complusory to run the speakers soft first to soften the spring? i mean does it really make a difference if you pump it straight up? wont it just speed up the softening process by pumping it lol and yea those rockford fosgate splits look awsome lol

I always pump mine but i buy good speakers 2nd hand so yes each speaker has a certain amount of time required to run it in. All details for a certain speaker should be in the manual you get with it !

Stock Mitsubishi 6x9's about 2 years....

My Magnat Subwoofer insisted 6 Hours of Moderate volume before turning up the wick...
Clarion Splits didnt say.. but gave them around 2 hours of medium volume before winding them up...

I gave my old Oz Audio sub 30 hours before really letting it loose. It does have 25mm Xmax :badgrin:

I would normally run in speakers for about 10 hours before giving them their rated power.

sweet as i'll remember this when i install any new speakers lol