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Disciple
25-04-2010, 08:28 AM
Hey guys,
Looking to get 2 new sound systems possibly at tax time for my Evo and my missus' Ralliart Colt.
We're looking at getting it done at Maroochy Car Sound, cause if we get Focal gear installed by them it comes with a full 3 year warranty.
I wanna know what you guys think of these systems.
Firstly the Colt. It comes with terrible 6" paper cone shit speakers in the front and rear doors, but we've upgraded the headunit to a double din Pioneer touch screen jobbie...
Not this exact one, but very close,
http://www.pioneer.com.au/~/media/Images/Product%20Images/Car%20Entertainment/VisualAudio/AVHP4150DVDblue.ashx?mh=450&mw=590&bc=white
It's 50w x 4. What we're thinking is putting Focal 6.5" component splits in the front (if they'll fit) which are the Focal 165VR. Then for the back doors, just put some Focal 165CVX, which are 6.5" coaxial. Probably run all this off the headunit, and dynamat the doors. She basically just wants some good sound, it doesn't need to wake the neighbours.
Now for the Evo, we're thinking about going something a bit better. Maybe some Focal 165KRX2 6.5" component splits for the front doors, then in the rear parcel shelf (it has 6" coaxial in there atm) maybe getting some Focal 165KRC 6.5" coaxial. Then amp them all off a Focal SOLID 4 amp, which is a 4 channel amp @ 2ohm 4x100W. Dynamat in the doors again too.
Now I don't know a lot about car audio, never claimed to. What do you guys think of this gear, Focal in general, and what sort of systems have I listed? In the Evo, I really want good sound quality for a range of music from Slayer to Tool, from Mark Cohn to Franco Corelli.
Cheers.
magnat
25-04-2010, 09:41 AM
Focal is good gear.
The system you have described for the Colt is good and will offer good sound over factory.. (Sonically speaking, Paper is often the best material to make a speaker from )
As for the EVO, Do you have plans on getting some low end in there ? I mean the 6.5 inch speakers will offer huge amounts of punch, but not alot of rumble..
Disciple
25-04-2010, 09:49 AM
I'm not really concerned with a lot of rumble. I'm not interested in a sub if that's what you mean... I really want good sound quality over anything else.
bellto
25-04-2010, 09:49 AM
focal have excellent sq for music like tool, and slow smooth music, for harder and more aggressive rock, or "rap" they seem to lack the performance of others in the same price range, but for said music, they are second to none for sq. the evo setup will be really good, nice all round sound system, that will pack a punch, but it will lack the deep bass that a good set of 6x9's would add, and hence would need to try harder than they should to make the right noise at any volume. if you can bring yourself to do it, get a 5 channel amp and put a 10 inch slimline sub in there, it might be 250 more, but it would be really beneficial for sound quality and volume. But lots of people dont like subs in their boot.
and the colt would go awsome, but you may aswell put a little amp install under the seat while your at it, it will make it that much better. Due to the size of the colt, this setup would be awsome.
Both of these systems will be quite costly, the evo will easily top $1000 installed without dynamator or hu.
EDIT, 3 year warranty on car audio FTW, thats a really really good deal, snap that up, especially if you are concidering using an amo in the evo. amps are natorious for failing.
Disciple
25-04-2010, 09:53 AM
focal have excellent sq for music like tool, and slow smooth music, for harder and more aggressive rock, or "rap" they seem to lack the performance of others in the same price range, but for said music, they are second to none for sq. the evo setup will be really good, nice all round sound system, that will pack a punch, but it will lack the deep bass that a good set of 6x9's would add, and hence would need to try harder than they should to make the right noise at any volume. if you can bring yourself to do it, get a 5 channel amp and put a 10 inch slimline sub in there, it might be 250 more, but it would be really beneficial for sound quality and volume. But lots of people dont like subs in their boot.
and the colt would go awsome, but you may aswell put a little amp install under the seat while your at it, it will make it that much better. Due to the size of the colt, this setup would be awsome.
Both of these systems will be quite costly, the evo will easily top $1000 installed without dynamat.
Thanks for the reply. Will the Colt setup still sound ok off the headunit? Another amp is another $600, plus install. It adds up really quick.
bellto
25-04-2010, 09:59 AM
colt will sound very nice off the hu, but it will be very underpowered, were looking at a 60watt rms set of splits, running of about 15-20 rms from the head unit. it will be very underpowered, so just watch out for supply/source distortion (when the source of the sound distorts) it will ruin those beautiful speakers. like i said, the colt is only little, son these 4 6.5 inch speakers will be really nice, but not overly loud, which i guess is perfect for what you're looking for.
magnat
25-04-2010, 10:00 AM
Yes.. Off the Head unit will be fine.. as you said you do not wish to wake the neighbours..
bellto
25-04-2010, 10:05 AM
apart from warranty, you would probably be better off with a good pioneer system in the colt, it would be just as loud, it is great quality (sound and build) and it would save you a fair few $$$
Disciple
25-04-2010, 10:07 AM
apart from warranty, you would probably be better off with a good pioneer system in the colt, it would be just as loud, it is great quality (sound and build) and it would save you a fair few $$$
I'll keep that in mind, cheers.
bellto
25-04-2010, 10:12 AM
having said that, the two systems you have described are really good, they are the perfect replacements for the stock parts and you will not regret spending the extra $ on good focal gear. I can say without doubt, they will sound excellent.
FFEEkY
25-04-2010, 10:20 AM
dont think the money is a real issue from what he has said. And a sound system is something you have to live with for quite a while. Its not really worth saving $2-300 for the sake of a much better speaker.
bellto
25-04-2010, 10:26 AM
dont think the money is a real issue from what he has said. And a sound system is something you have to live with for quite a while. Its not really worth saving $2-300 for the sake of a much better speaker.
thats right, like i said in my last post, but without the amp in the colt, you really wont see anywhere near the potential of either speakers. For the power being put in, imho, either speaker would be as good as the other, but the focals would have a bit better sq, along with the 3 year warranty. But in car audio, the speaker is usually one of the last things to break if its good quality, and treated right.
Mr ©harisma
25-04-2010, 12:17 PM
Colt system sounds good.
Personally in the Evo I would look at the new Hertz HSK 165's. Since you have the power and the Dynamat, they will excel with lots of mid bass in the front. MCS should still sell Hertz so you can Audition them side by side. :D
Either way, since they are installing it you should be happy with the results!!
Focal amps are great! Maybe a Solid 2 to power the Colts front splits?
Rory_newton
25-04-2010, 01:10 PM
Ive gots the HSK 165's! :D
Very nice speakers with loads of punch!
The focals are also very nice, way above pioneer in terms of build quality and sound quality imo, when I bought my hertz it was between hertz and focal, unfortunately they didnt have the focals I liked in stock, so I went for the HSK's as Im very impatient :P Happy with my decision though..
Colt system sounds good.
Personally in the Evo I would look at the new Hertz HSK 165's. Since you have the power and the Dynamat, they will excel with lots of mid bass in the front. MCS should still sell Hertz so you can Audition them side by side. :D
Either way, since they are installing it you should be happy with the results!!
Focal amps are great! Maybe a Solid 2 to power the Colts front splits?
Disciple
25-05-2010, 04:41 PM
Hey guys,
This is gaining momentum, BUT, probably only going to have the money for the Evo and not the Colt (I know, I know, shhh) I was going to build a PC instead, but because the Evo is going to be my daily again, I'll get much more enjoyment I think out of a good car stereo as I love my tunes!
So, I'm probably looking at getting a new headunit too - one with USB on the face hopefully so I don't have to use my iPod in the car (I use it for running more) Any suggestions here? Doesn't need to be the best thing ever, but something of good quality obviously, and a good brand too.
I think I've decided I'm going to dynamat the whole car. Gonna rip the whole interior out, including the carpet and dynamat underneath the whole lot to try and block out some road noise etc. I'll also buy enough dynamat for Maroochy Car Sound to do the front doors, and maybe the boot aswell if they need to.
Couple questions: As stated, a head unit? I don't really know much about head units. Basically it needs to be single din with USB on the front and it needs to look pretty trick but still do the job well. 6x9's or splits for the back? Amp the whole lot? I've probably got about $2.5k to spend at this stage, but that might get slimmer as we get closer.
Cheers guys.
Edit: I know this is really noob, but can someone explain to me the 2ohm vs 4ohm thing in simple terms? Cheers.
[TUFFTR]
25-05-2010, 06:33 PM
Think of resistance as flow of water in a garden hose.
The more resistance, the smaller the hose, and the less water that comes out.
The less the resistance the wider the hose etc
Anyway, The lower the resistance, the more power it will handle but with less quality control so to say. just about all car speakers are 4ohm these day's so you shouldnt have a worry with those, but with sub's you can go 4ohm, 2ohm, 1ohm, 0.5ohm in some cases etc.
With subs especially, My JBL's could handle 400WRMS @4ohm, or 700WRMS @ 2ohm. I ran them in 2 ohm and never had an issue. Your amplifier also needs to be capable to handle the resistance loads.
Yes, amp all your speakers and sub/s (if you choose for a sub/s) being able to feed all the low bass to the subs and keep the midrange and high end in the speakers will make the world of difference...
Disciple
25-05-2010, 06:45 PM
I won't be using any subs. I don't see the need for them with a quality speaker/amp setup.
[TUFFTR]
25-05-2010, 06:51 PM
Have you had subs before? I mean yeah we all don't want that thumping bass, but to me they fill a vital role in playing some tones of music....double kicks though a sub is just bliss, no speaker will reproduce that kind of tone....
I would even look at a slimline 10" to fill in that void + keep weight/space down
Disciple
25-05-2010, 07:44 PM
;1257211']Have you had subs before? I mean yeah we all don't want that thumping bass, but to me they fill a vital role in playing some tones of music....double kicks though a sub is just bliss, no speaker will reproduce that kind of tone....
I would even look at a slimline 10" to fill in that void + keep weight/space down
Yeah, I had a single 10" sub in my Ralliart. I ended up just turning it off because the bass was too much.
I've since heard some music through some $1200 Focal speakers running off a headunit, dynamated in my old mans Hilux, and wow. You really don't need subs IMO.
magnat
25-05-2010, 07:58 PM
Yeah, I had a single 10" sub in my Ralliart. I ended up just turning it off because the bass was too much.
I've since heard some music through some $1200 Focal speakers running off a headunit, dynamated in my old mans Hilux, and wow. You really don't need subs IMO.
Sure.. Ok you don't NEEED Subs..
but without a large diametre driver, you will still miss alot of sub- Bass frequencies..
Something even the best 6.5 inch woofers are unable to deliver.
Remember, a Sub is not just there to belt out the bass to rattle the windows it can add Timbre and feel to an audio system and can make the difference between a good sound experience and an Awesome one..
With an Adjustable Sub Out on the deck.. you can really dial in the setup to sound great... It doesnt have to be over powering..
super_sheep
25-05-2010, 08:31 PM
I've since heard some music through some $1200 Focal speakers running off a headunit, dynamated in my old mans Hilux, and wow. You really don't need subs IMO.
$1200 speakers running off a headunit... $400 speakers would sound better off a $400 amp. Sounds like a waste of money to me.
FFEEkY
25-05-2010, 08:35 PM
$1200 speakers running off a headunit... $400 speakers would sound better off a $400 amp. Sounds like a waste of money to me.
pretty sure its a top of the line eclipse head unit. will sounds much better than a cheap amp :)
super_sheep
25-05-2010, 09:17 PM
Ok so I'm guessing he got eithe the krx series or somehow got a cheap set of Utopias. K series focals are rated to 100 wrms and utopia 100wrms also. Doesn't matter if it was the worlds best headunit it would barely put out enough power to even move them.
Disciple
26-05-2010, 05:26 AM
$1200 speakers running off a headunit... $400 speakers would sound better off a $400 amp. Sounds like a waste of money to me.
Ok so I'm guessing he got eithe the krx series or somehow got a cheap set of Utopias. K series focals are rated to 100 wrms and utopia 100wrms also. Doesn't matter if it was the worlds best headunit it would barely put out enough power to even move them.
Get out of my thread. You haven't heard the system I'm talking about and you add nothing to the conversation. Bye.
I'll consider a sub I guess, but it will add more $$'s to the system. For a decent 8"+ sub with an amp will be close to another $1000. I'll talk to the guys at MCS and see what they think - have a listen to a few different systems etc.
megatron
26-05-2010, 06:35 AM
hi Brett i personally would look at getting hertz over focal as i am not a big fan how they sound
dynamatting the whole car will add a lot of kilos (10-50 depending how much you use) to the car, you ok with that? i would do the front doors and leave it at that
setup would be HU $400-500, Splits $300-400 (you can never spend too much), Amp $500, Sub $300, $500 wiring & install, $300 dynamat
you don't need rear speakers you don't hear them (well u don't want to anyways)
Disciple
26-05-2010, 09:12 AM
hi Brett i personally would look at getting hertz over focal as i am not a big fan how they sound
dynamatting the whole car will add a lot of kilos (10-50 depending how much you use) to the car, you ok with that? i would do the front doors and leave it at that
setup would be HU $400-500, Splits $300-400 (you can never spend too much), Amp $500, Sub $300, $500 wiring & install, $300 dynamat
you don't need rear speakers you don't hear them (well u don't want to anyways)
Hmm, another train of thought. Cheers Al.
Don't really care too much about the weight of the dynamat, car will be fast enough to not notice it.
I'll give Hertz a good listen. I was looking at spending around $1000 on a pair of splits, and another $600 or so to amp them. The idea behind the 6x9's was just to make some noise in the back. What are peoples thoughts on this? No speakers at all in the back, 6x9's or a pair of splits?
Cheers for that Al.
TimmyC
26-05-2010, 10:34 AM
I didn't have rear speakers at all in my last car as i never sat in the rear seat, and very rarely had people even sitting in the back seat tbh. Didn't see the point in spending more cash for something that i would barely notice.
Had Focal splits and i loved them, very clear when i ran them off an Alpine amp.
If you dont run rear speakers (i wouldn't) you can put that cash towards a small sub. It does make a noticeable difference to nearly all styles of music, miss mine very much lol
FFEEkY
26-05-2010, 10:35 AM
No speakers and a smallish good brand sub. Infinity will give you some nice smooth bass.
Disciple
26-05-2010, 02:15 PM
No speakers and a smallish good brand sub. Infinity will give you some nice smooth bass.
I had a 10" Infinity sub in the Ralliart. Bass was good, but it was too overpowering.
FFEEkY
26-05-2010, 02:21 PM
perhaps the amp was too much for it? Did you want me to check out the cj forums and see if anyone is upgrading their rockford?
Disciple
26-05-2010, 03:51 PM
perhaps the amp was too much for it? Did you want me to check out the cj forums and see if anyone is upgrading their rockford?
Nah. I'll head to MCS in the coming weeks and go from there.
FFEEkY
26-05-2010, 04:42 PM
Let me know when you go and I'll tag along :)
Mr ©harisma
26-05-2010, 05:12 PM
FFEEkY there are a few issues with the stock RF system being transfered into another vehicle.
Main issue is the amp is actually linked into the Canbus and this controls the volume and the bass. Added to the fact is has non defeatable crossovers built in - makes it a bar$tard to work with.
Regardless of what you hear, the sub will work fine with most mono blocks as it is Dual 1.1ohm ( 2.2ohm if wired in series ). It is only 75W Max per coil but.
With the budget in mind check out the Eclipse headunits. You can also compare the Hertz MLK 165 against the Focal KRX. Hertz make a nice slim, lightweight, efficient woofer in the ES range. Add in a decent amp 4 channel amp and you will have a great system.
A bulk pack weighs in at about 11-12kg in the box. Not a huge amount of weight considering. Make sure you get a diffuser for your mids.
magnat
26-05-2010, 06:41 PM
Ah Crap I hate this when someone asks about the whole Rear speaker thing..
If you are dead set on not getting a sub .. then a set of 6x9's would be a way to add some low end to the system.
a 6x9 inch cone has roughly the same area as an 8 inch sub (Note I said roughly)
Do you carry rear passengers ?
If the answer is yes then I would look at the 6x9's as an option.
Preferably from the same series as the fronts.. Speaker components tend to work best when from the same series.
Will they fit without looking to obvious ? If Yes then I would go with them.. If no, then a 6.5 inch Co-axial maybe an Option?
Disciple
26-05-2010, 08:10 PM
Ah Crap I hate this when someone asks about the whole Rear speaker thing..
If you are dead set on not getting a sub .. then a set of 6x9's would be a way to add some low end to the system.
a 6x9 inch cone has roughly the same area as an 8 inch sub (Note I said roughly)
Do you carry rear passengers ?
If the answer is yes then I would look at the 6x9's as an option.
Preferably from the same series as the fronts.. Speaker components tend to work best when from the same series.
Will they fit without looking to obvious ? If Yes then I would go with them.. If no, then a 6.5 inch Co-axial maybe an Option?
I'm not dead set on anything, that's why I'm asking questions.
I don't carry passengers often, if at all, but wouldn't it be better to do it properly the first time and not do a half assed job? Meaning, maybe it's a good idea to put some 6x9's in there for some extra noise?
magnat
27-05-2010, 07:23 AM
Ok then lets Look at Some..
http://www.stzcarfans.com/forum/files/hertz_hcx_690_460.jpg
Hertz HCX 690
http://www.sebastoautoradio.net/images/produits/20080213184347.jpg
Focal 690CVX
Both of these bad boys will run fine off a Head unit but an amp would definitely help them get motivated and able to give you the best possible sound.
The Hertz HCX-690 Roughly around $469 (from what I can find)
Focal 690CVX are about $350 ish ...
If I had to be brutally honest...
In a Colt there would be nothing wrong with going a Set of Splits up front and a decent slim line sub in the boot. Focal do a Slimline Sub and amp combo that is supposed to slide under the seat but could be wall mounted in the boot and would add some decent thump.
http://maroochycarsound.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/we-1024x719.jpg
This is the BUS25 10 inch Sub and amp combo roughly around the $599 point..
Now it wont perform as good as a Properly full sized Sub and amp combo but in a Colt would be awesome.
This would allow you to have your Bass and still enough room for a Pram and Groceries !
(They also Make a BUS21 which is an 8 inch Sub version for a little less money)
Disciple
27-05-2010, 08:05 AM
I'm not doing a system in the Colt now - not enough money. I did mention this a couple pages ago.
Would you still recommend the 6x9's (they will be amped) and an under the seat sub for the Evo? I did look at those subs with built in amps, and they looked quite interesting.
Turns out MCS are not a Hertz dealer either. They sell the following product lines...
* Aerpro
* Axis
* Blaupunkt
* Clarion
* DNA
* Eclipse
* Focal
* JBL
* JVC
* Kenwood
* Pioneer
* Rockford Fosgate
* Soundstream
megatron
27-05-2010, 08:12 AM
focal speakers & amp it is then with eclipse HU
i would only go entry level 6x9 for the back if you really want to please you passengers and i would still go a 10" sub
magnat
27-05-2010, 12:02 PM
For the Evo.
6.5 inch Co-ax on the Back Shelf, 6.5 inch Splits in the front doors.
Not sure the BUS25 would be able to go through the rear fire wall on an Evo or fit under the front seat...
Joe Bellissimo
27-05-2010, 12:20 PM
Where in QLD are you located? Would you be interested in comparing some of my gear as well?
Disciple
27-05-2010, 02:00 PM
Where in QLD are you located? Would you be interested in comparing some of my gear as well?
I'm on Sunshine Coast. Reason I'm going to MCS is they are offering a 3 year warranty on parts + install if I buy Focal gear and have them install it. Unless you can match that...
Cheers magnat. I'll have to see what will fit, but I don't think those subs will fit under the seats like you say.
Mr ©harisma
27-05-2010, 06:23 PM
I agree with what Magnet said.
Keep it simple:
Eclipse Deck
6.5inch splits up front
6.5inch 2 way co-axial rear
4 channel amp
10 / 12 inch sub.
If you really want to go to MCS, they should have lots of stock to audition so good to have a listen.
Disciple
27-05-2010, 06:36 PM
Cheers. Yeah I think the coax in the rear is probably the way to go.
I might head in on the weekend and have a listen to some different setups.
Disciple
29-05-2010, 08:12 AM
After speaking to the minister for finance, it looks like I might be able to spend up to around $5k on a system now. That should get me the good $1100 splits up front, good coaxials in the rear, 11" K2 series sub plus a monoblock amp for the sub, a 4 channel amp to run the splits, Eclipse headunit and get the whole car dynamatted. I'll keep you guys posted.
The biggest issue I can see at the moment, is finding a place to put not only the amps, but the sub aswell, and what enclosure to use for the sub.
Here's what I'm looking at, at this stage...
http://www.focalaustralia.com.au/k2_power.html
165KRX2 $1099 (AUS)
6.5" 2ohm component speaker set
Maximum power 200W
Nominal power 100W
Sensitivity (2.83 V/1m) 93dB
Frequency response (+/-3dB) 70Hz - 20kHz
Nom. impedance 2 ohms
Tweeter TN53K
Mounting depth 77mm
165KRC $599 (AUS)
6.5" co-axial - KR Kevlar series
Maximum power 160W
Nominal power 80W
Sensitivity (2.83 V/1m) 93dB
Frequency response (+/-3dB) 60Hz - 20kHz
Nom. impedance 4 ohms
Tweeter Inverted dome
Mounting depth 77mm
Controls Tweeter 0, -3, -6dB
27KX $819 (AUS)
11" Subwoofer
Nominal power 300 W
Maximum power 600 W
Sensitivity 88 dB
Cone K2 Composite Sandwich®
Surround Butyl
Nom. impedance 4 ohms
VC diameter 65 mm
VC height 26 mm
Xmax 9 mm
Net weight 7.20kg (15.87 lb)
http://www.focalaustralia.com.au/amplifiers.html
SOLID 1 $599 (AUS)
Single channel (mono) amplifier
Nominal power at 14.4V @ 4ohm 1x300W
Nominal power at 14.4V @ 2ohm 1x470W
Nominal power (Bridged) @ 4ohm -
Signal/noise ratio (RMS) >100dB (A)
Damping factor at 4ohm 50 to 50Hz
Frequency response (-1dB) 10Hz-150Hz
High-pass filter -
Low-pass filter 50-150Hz (12dB/oct.)
Remote control Yes
Dimensions (HxWxD) 45x300x200mm
SOLID 4 $599 (AUS)
Four channel amplifier
Nominal power at 14.4V @ 4ohm 4x75W
Nominal power at 14.4V @ 2ohm 4x100W
Nominal power (Bridged) @ 4ohm 2x200W
Signal/noise ratio (RMS) >100dB (A)
Damping factor at 4ohm 100 to 1kHz
Frequency response (-1dB) 10Hz-60kHz
High-pass filter 50-150Hz (12dB/oct)
Low-pass filter 50-150Hz (12dB/oct.)
Remote control Yes
Dimensions (HxWxD) 45x300x200mm
What do you guys think of that system?
megatron
29-05-2010, 10:34 AM
spending that much on co-axial is a waste of money $150 tops, and im sure there are alot better subs for that money too like Image Dynamics
spend more on cabling (approx $200-400), install and tuning (not just a 10min job, get a good tune and leveling everything with pink/white noise is not a good tune)
Disciple
29-05-2010, 11:29 AM
I'm getting Focal gear for the 3 year warranty, so other brands are kinda out of the question. I'll get good cabling and get MCS to tune it. Might look at some cheaper coaxials for the rear then. Cheers Al.
FFEEkY
29-05-2010, 12:42 PM
talk to mcs, they should be able to do a custom install. with that type of budget, you could easily get it to look like the boot in the lancer sportback for not much more than a standard box.
magnat
29-05-2010, 03:14 PM
Sounds like a Sweet system.... I thought originally you were concerned about Boot space... a 7 kg sub + Enclosure is gonna affect the handling a little..
Looking at your chosen sub, this means its going to need a ported enclosure.
This is going to add to the size of the enclosure as it needs to be tuned to suite the sub.
Disciple
29-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Sounds like a Sweet system.... I thought originally you were concerned about Boot space... a 7 kg sub + Enclosure is gonna affect the handling a little..
Looking at your chosen sub, this means its going to need a ported enclosure.
This is going to add to the size of the enclosure as it needs to be tuned to suite the sub.
Mmm. This is why I don't want a sub. I'm gonna have to have a good listen to some systems...
Mr ©harisma
29-05-2010, 06:48 PM
Do you use your car on track days?
System looks all ok. I personally wouldn't spend that much on rear speakers but if you think they are worth it - go for it.
Overall even with a 7kg sub in a fiberglass box won't add a tonne of weight even compared to traditional woofers in wooden sealed boxes. In saying that there are other woofers which will require smaller sealed boxes to perform ( 0.5cuft sealed for some 10inch ).
Amps can be mounted under the front seats or custom mounted in the boot.
djnewy
30-05-2010, 08:32 PM
http://www.focalaustralia.com.au/k2_power.html
165KRX2 $1099 (AUS)
6.5" 2ohm component speaker set
Maximum power 200W
Nominal power 100W
Sensitivity (2.83 V/1m) 93dB
Frequency response (+/-3dB) 70Hz - 20kHz
Nom. impedance 2 ohms
Tweeter TN53K
Mounting depth 77mm
165KRC $599 (AUS)
6.5" co-axial - KR Kevlar series
Maximum power 160W
Nominal power 80W
Sensitivity (2.83 V/1m) 93dB
Frequency response (+/-3dB) 60Hz - 20kHz
Nom. impedance 4 ohms
Tweeter Inverted dome
Mounting depth 77mm
Controls Tweeter 0, -3, -6dB
27KX $819 (AUS)
11" Subwoofer
Nominal power 300 W
Maximum power 600 W
Sensitivity 88 dB
Cone K2 Composite Sandwich®
Surround Butyl
Nom. impedance 4 ohms
VC diameter 65 mm
VC height 26 mm
Xmax 9 mm
Net weight 7.20kg (15.87 lb)
http://www.focalaustralia.com.au/amplifiers.html
SOLID 1 $599 (AUS)
Single channel (mono) amplifier
Nominal power at 14.4V @ 4ohm 1x300W
Nominal power at 14.4V @ 2ohm 1x470W
Nominal power (Bridged) @ 4ohm -
Signal/noise ratio (RMS) >100dB (A)
Damping factor at 4ohm 50 to 50Hz
Frequency response (-1dB) 10Hz-150Hz
High-pass filter -
Low-pass filter 50-150Hz (12dB/oct.)
Remote control Yes
Dimensions (HxWxD) 45x300x200mm
SOLID 4 $599 (AUS)
Four channel amplifier
Nominal power at 14.4V @ 4ohm 4x75W
Nominal power at 14.4V @ 2ohm 4x100W
Nominal power (Bridged) @ 4ohm 2x200W
Signal/noise ratio (RMS) >100dB (A)
Damping factor at 4ohm 100 to 1kHz
Frequency response (-1dB) 10Hz-60kHz
High-pass filter 50-150Hz (12dB/oct)
Low-pass filter 50-150Hz (12dB/oct.)
Remote control Yes
Dimensions (HxWxD) 45x300x200mm
What do you guys think of that system?
System looks awesome. FHRX in NSW have 20% off focal gear with free postage. Here is their link http://www.fhrxstudios.com/
Hope this helps!
DJ
Disciple
31-05-2010, 09:37 AM
That's awesome man, but I don't see where it says "20% off" Unless I'm blind? It just says to email them for a price?
Mr ©harisma
31-05-2010, 01:33 PM
Remember places aren't always allowed to advertise prices. Joe is in the same boat with Vibe. Send the guys a mail and find out. Marty doesn't bite :)
djnewy
31-05-2010, 05:24 PM
That's awesome man, but I don't see where it says "20% off" Unless I'm blind? It just says to email them for a price?
I called him to find out!!!
Here is the owners details, call / email him like the website says. Not sure how long it will last for though so have your credit card details ready.
Marty Price
Owner / Manager
Fhrx Studios
Audio / Visual Specialists
A: Unit 11, 70-72 Captain Cook Drive
Caringbah, NSW, 2229
P: (02) 9525 2731
M: 0417 686 671
F: (02) 9527 4299
W: http://www.fhrxstudios.com
E: fhrxstudios@bigpond.com
ABN: 97 879 788 419
I am getting the 165KRX2's also .
DJ
FFEEkY
31-05-2010, 05:32 PM
i can do one better for you, tell mcs these guys are doing that and they will match/beat the price. We made them price match the eclipse stuff for the camry against northfield, saved us almost $1000 :)
TimmyC
01-06-2010, 10:09 AM
Yeh definitely agree that is an awful lot to spend on rear speakers given they are not integral to the system. Im sure MCS could knock up a sub box that could be easily removed whenever you wanna track/drag the car if that is an issue with you
Disciple
01-06-2010, 12:39 PM
Went and had a listen to some speakers today. At this stage, I'll be going with this system...
165KRX3 $1649 (AUS)
6.5" 3-way component speaker set
Maximum power 200W
Nominal power 100W
Sensitivity (2.83 V/1m) 93dB
Frequency response (+/-3dB) 45Hz - 20kHz
Nom. impedance 4 ohms
Tweeter TN53K
Mounting depth (midrange) 36 mm
Mounting depth (woofer) 79 mm
165KRC $599 (AUS)
6.5" co-axial - KR Kevlar series
Maximum power 160W
Nominal power 80W
Sensitivity (2.83 V/1m) 93dB
Frequency response (+/-3dB) 60Hz - 20kHz
Nom. impedance 4 ohms
Tweeter Inverted dome
Mounting depth 77mm
Controls Tweeter 0, -3, -6dB
Focal FPS4160 4 channel AMP, 4 x 120W RMS.
Dynamat for all 4 doors, the entire floor and the entire boot.
Mr ©harisma
01-06-2010, 05:25 PM
Just to let you know, FHRX has a new set of those 165KRX3 for $1200 unless already sold.
Check out there special page :)
Disciple
01-06-2010, 05:40 PM
Just to let you know, FHRX has a new set of those 165KRX3 for $1200 unless already sold.
Check out there special page :)
Sold to me most likely. Don't worry, I'm not paying anywhere near those prices, I just copied and pasted from the Focal website. Those speakers I'm getting, sound absolutely phenominal. No need at all for a sub with them PLUS the coax in the rear. The amount of bass they produce is very good and at quite a low frequency too.
However, if I do want more bass down the track, it's no problem to add a sub and monoblock. :)
Also, forgot to mention I'm getting an Eclipse CD7200 MKII headunit. 8V output, no amp built in. Perfect for amped systems so I'm told.
Mr ©harisma
01-06-2010, 06:24 PM
Yeah I know you wouldn't pay RRP :D
Good choice though since they are being mounted professionally. Make sure they add diffuser pads as well for your mids.
That headunit will be perfect for the set up - and if you expand in the future. Great value for money as well.
Glad you auditioned and you like it, should last you for many many years to come!
Mr ©harisma
01-06-2010, 06:24 PM
Yeah I know you wouldn't pay RRP :D
Good choice though since they are being mounted professionally. Make sure they add diffuser pads as well for your mids.
That headunit will be perfect for the set up - and if you expand in the future. Great value for money as well.
Glad you auditioned and you like it, should last you for many many years to come!
FFEEkY
01-06-2010, 06:25 PM
if your speakers are missing, dont check my car :hmm:
Disciple
01-06-2010, 06:38 PM
if your speakers are missing, dont check my car :hmm:
I'll be happy if my system sounds as good as yours! Just need my car back now...
Oh, I'm getting the diffusers too. 4 of them were like $80? Sounds good to me.
djnewy
01-06-2010, 06:55 PM
I am assuming you are going custom with the X3's fibreglassing them in the A pillar? I looked at those as well but didnt have the skills or the $$$ to pay for the custom job as they will sound crap in a standard set up.
Good work on choosing your set up, I like it.
Get the good rear speakers if you do not have a sub as you can always sell them later if you need too!!! :)
magnat
01-06-2010, 07:28 PM
I did have trouble in the past running a 4Volt RCA head unit into an Old Amp once, Just make sure the Amps you choose can tolerate the 8V from the deck..
8V Pre-outs is sweet as...
Disciple
01-06-2010, 07:49 PM
I am assuming you are going custom with the X3's fibreglassing them in the A pillar? I looked at those as well but didnt have the skills or the $$$ to pay for the custom job as they will sound crap in a standard set up.
Good work on choosing your set up, I like it.
Get the good rear speakers if you do not have a sub as you can always sell them later if you need too!!! :)
Yeah, custom setup on the A pillar.
It'll look very similar to this... http://maroochycarsound.com.au/photo-gallery/?file=CHRYSLER/CHRYSLER%20300C%20Pilars/
I did have trouble in the past running a 4Volt RCA head unit into an Old Amp once, Just make sure the Amps you choose can tolerate the 8V from the deck..
8V Pre-outs is sweet as...
This is the amp - http://focal.tchernovaudio.com/good/FPS_4160 - I'm assured it can handle it.
magnat
02-06-2010, 06:49 AM
Input Sensetivity :0,2 V - 5,2 V.
I would be making sure that the person who sells you this Amp gives you warranty incase it blows.
Disciple
02-06-2010, 08:19 AM
Input Sensetivity :0,2 V - 5,2 V.
I would be making sure that the person who sells you this Amp gives you warranty incase it blows.
It has a 3 year warranty. He assures me it's the best headunit to use when using a fully amped system, and even went on to say customers who have had similar systems to mine installed have been very happy with the install. Cheers for the headsup tho, I'll actually bring this up with him next time I talk to him.
Mr ©harisma
02-06-2010, 02:27 PM
A quality amp like that one will have no issues working with that deck. :)
Disciple
02-06-2010, 05:34 PM
A quality amp like that one will have no issues working with that deck. :)
Yep, excellent.
Got my final price today - needless to say I'm very happy. Marty at Fhrx studios was VERY helpful, and MCS ended up matching his price, so I'm quite happy.
One thing I'm curious about tho, they've quoted me $660 to modify both the A pillars for the 3" mids and the tweeters. Does this sound about right?
djnewy
02-06-2010, 06:31 PM
Yeah, custom setup on the A pillar.
It'll look very similar to this... http://maroochycarsound.com.au/photo-gallery/?file=CHRYSLER/CHRYSLER%20300C%20Pilars/
Finish looks good, but see if they can angle the speakers to the opposite front head rest instead of across the glass.
As for the cost, I am not too sure. materials wont cost that much it will be more the labour content. Just remember if you have screwed them down in price for the speakers that they will try and make it back on the custom install. At the end of the day it is all about the margin on the total package.
DJ
Disciple
02-06-2010, 06:42 PM
Finish looks good, but see if they can angle the speakers to the opposite front head rest instead of across the glass.
As for the cost, I am not too sure. materials wont cost that much it will be more the labour content. Just remember if you have screwed them down in price for the speakers that they will try and make it back on the custom install. At the end of the day it is all about the margin on the total package.
DJ
Yes, I'm quite aware of this, hence why I asked what that price is like...
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