Hi lads..

I posted on here about water leaks in the missus 99 Sports, but I thought I would take the opportunity of posting about anotherissues. Traction...or lack of.

Fully engage the clutch, first gear no revs, cruise off for a while and plant it, and it sits there. Tried a variety of tyre types albeit, not top line, and the same thing happens. The thing flies..maybe a freak motor? I read on here about people doing performance mods...waste of time with this car...it will just spin more.

Is it normal in these things?

You will need bigger tyres to put the power to the ground. i.e 225's MINIMUM. and good rubber at that. Nah all the 3.5L's Ive been in freeken fly...

So normal, in a manual, yes.

3.5l manual 225s wet or dry not much grip in 1st or 2nd, mines not stock but still

Dont even talk about traction issues in a stock manual. When it rains i cant go over 3,000rpm in ANY gear..:( Any Stock FWD will spin if you plant it in 1st.

Flat out is not the only gear.. Learn to progressively put the power down and you will go faster. Spining tyres means slower car.:)

LSD, correct camber and some 245's up front will have your traction issues sorted I'd imagine. Lower pressures on the tyres will improve it too, although your fuel economy will suffer.

lol @ Ego... I wonder why mate?

my auto lights it up in first in the dry and @ 2500rpm in 2nd or 3rd the wet... love that car

Wheelspin is for suckers ;)

what you need is some wider rubber. I'm running 235s up front, bridgestone re001s to be exact. Got 190kw at the wheels and hardly get wheelspin in the dry from no revs. I never fully plant it though

Suspension in my opinion makes a bigger difference than the slightly wider tyres. The stock wheels on my Verada would spin entirely through first when the car was totally stock, the suspension change that entirely, it'd slip upto about 30km/h (compared to spinning hopelessly to 70km/h before) still pulling, then grip and get itself together. The 235's on the 18's reduced that a bit more, but didn't have the same impact as the suspension did. Why? The stock suspension in these cars is so soft as soon as you put your foot into it the weight shifts to the back of the car taking away the grip levels at the front. The stiffer suspension kept the weight on the front of the car, and gave it much more grip to play with.

Agreed though that driving with a little finesse works much better than just changing things in the hope it'll help your Gran Turismo driving style.

The stock suspension in these cars is so soft as soon as you put your foot into it the weight shifts to the back of the car taking away the grip levels at the front. The stiffer suspension kept the weight on the front of the car, and gave it much more grip to play with.
You're dead right - I remember Chisholm (who has a supercharged FWD Magna) commenting that with his coilovers installed, takeoff was so a lot smoother than with his King Lows/KYBs he had on previously, since the back end barely squatted.

Stiffer suspension with grippier/wider tyres is the way to go.

Dont even talk about traction issues in a stock manual. When it rains i cant go over 3,000rpm in ANY gear..:( Any Stock FWD will spin if you plant it in 1st.

Flat out is not the only gear.. Learn to progressively put the power down and you will go faster. Spining tyres means slower car.:)
I'm with Ego.. dont talk about traction issues :P pain an fun, Anyway i'm running 19s by 8.5 and a very soft tire, helps when i was stock.... even when i had 210hp with Nos running the grip was good even in first.. i can get you the tire make if that helps?

i'm running 19s by 8.5 and a very soft tire, i can get you the tire make if that helps?

What tires are you running..?

Sounds to me like a driver problem. You have to be very progressive with the throttle and gentle on the clutch. Wet can be a bit hairy but in dry I have no traction issues with 235 section tyres on the front.

Sounds to me like a driver problem. You have to be very progressive with the throttle and gentle on the clutch. Wet can be a bit hairy but in dry I have no traction issues with 235 section tyres on the front.

I am not dumping the clutch, it spins when the clutch is fully engaged and then you plant second. Im not sure its driver related seeing I have over 300kw in my own car and planting the right foot whilst rolling does not cause wheelspin, just launch. More like design fault.

I am not dumping the clutch, it spins when the clutch is fully engaged and then you plant second. Im not sure its driver related seeing I have over 300kw in my own car and planting the right foot whilst rolling does not cause wheelspin, just launch. More like design fault.

:bowrofl: My Ralliart with 150kwatw would sometimes break traction in first on a roll on.

I am not dumping the clutch, it spins when the clutch is fully engaged and then you plant second. Im not sure its driver related seeing I have over 300kw in my own car and planting the right foot whilst rolling does not cause wheelspin, just launch. More like design fault.

not a design fault, just FWD. as weight shifts to the rear, and lifts the front. get some firmer suspension to minimise squating?

I am not dumping the clutch, it spins when the clutch is fully engaged and then you plant second. Im not sure its driver related seeing I have over 300kw in my own car and planting the right foot whilst rolling does not cause wheelspin, just launch. More like design fault.

Learn physics. What happens in your 300kw car when you do the same thing in reverse gear. I bet your rear driving wheels will be spinning.

Learn physics. What happens in your 300kw car when you do the same thing in reverse gear. I bet your rear driving wheels will be spinning.


Probably would...but its 300kw...not 120 odd. The squat is quite severe isnt it. By design fault I was suggesting some firmer shocks should be standard to reduce such spin.

Not trying to pick on everything you say, It's by no means a design fault I don't think. Mitsubishi designed this as a family car, so the softer suspension is needed...wasn't really designed to be dragged all the time etc if you know what I mean, but yes, firmer shocks will help in this. Anti-lift castors also help a bit

not a design fault, just FWD. as weight shifts to the rear, and lifts the front.

What more can i say other than this is spot on. Its a Magna thing. FWD and a powerful V6 makes for bugger all traction. The best you can do is minimalise it by not being brutal with the accelerator, get some decent rubber and maybe an anti lift kit. I have 152 at the wheels and it can be a wheelspinning mess. I just drive around the issue thats all.

LSD too, Tzaboys car as loads of grip, i was quite impressed

LSD too, Tzaboys car as loads of grip, i was quite impressed

NORBY's car has unreal traction, and that's with just VERY good tyres. I thought had an LSD as there was no wheelspin even when he gave it heaps.

I mostly didn't have a problem with my TJ Sports on 215/60R16s - best way to get it off the line was 3000rpm and slip the clutch until road speed catches up, then give it 100%.

it just sounds like better tires are in order mate.
we've got potenza re001s on the factory rim and it's pretty good - no wheelspin in the dry in any gear, unless you deliberately provoke it.

it just sounds like better tires are in order mate.
we've got potenza re001s on the factory rim and it's pretty good - no wheelspin in the dry in any gear, unless you deliberately provoke it.

from what tuffy said, these are the tyres i have

They grip like nobodys business! Except, as you said, when you try and smoke them up

I am not dumping the clutch, it spins when the clutch is fully engaged and then you plant second. Im not sure its driver related seeing I have over 300kw in my own car and planting the right foot whilst rolling does not cause wheelspin, just launch. More like design fault.

Try a supercharged magna with airbag suspension pumped right up, going up a hill slowly on a rainy day! :P all you can really do is good tyres like others have said

from what tuffy said, these are the tyres i have

They grip like nobodys business! Except, as you said, when you try and smoke them up

yeah i'm happy with them, and we got a very good price on them too. when we bought our TJ it had the factory Turanzas on it, and i thought it was seriously undertired - we would get wheelspin in 3rd in the wet! :eeek:

There's been a few mentions of fitting Anti-lift/castor kits. For those that have them how much of an improvement did it make?

I had RE001's on my magna, could chirp first on the auto but was way grippier than the shithouse Maxxis MAV1's I had before... gross lol chirped second with those hahaha