Just put a TJ 3.5L into a TE.. car was and still is manual

Getting spark and fuel but will not kick over..

Using the stock TE ecu

What could i have forgotten for this conversion? I was led to believe the TE ecu would run the car ok.

Used original intake manifold, TB and all harnesses (inc injector harness) from the TE

Not sure of the condition of the TJ engine but came from a wreck and was told was running well.

What should i be checking or swapping?

Anyone else done this exact conversion that can advise?

Just for clarification, when you say it will not kick over are you meaning it will turn the motor and not fire or is doesn't do anything when you turn the key?

Yeah the TE ecu will run the 3.5 ok. Just double check all the connectors 1st.

starter motor?

start motor is ok.. motor will turn over when key it turned but not actually run...

have tripple checked connectors... definitly getting spark, definitly getting fuel..

Did you check the timing belt/timing marks? also is the dizzy in the right way? Like its not inserted a few teeth out?

;1265917']Did you check the timing belt/timing marks? also is the dizzy in the right way? Like its not inserted a few teeth out?

to be honest i didnt check timing belt/timing marks .. would still expect it to start though even if for some crazy reason it was a few teeth off?

dizzy is ok

How have you tested that you have fuel??

Not doubting just wondering as to how you've tested it.

Um couldn't you check to see if your getting any voltage to the starter motor if you are then you might have a stuff starter motor. If you don't then you might need to check other stuff :)

His starter motor works or else if it wasn't cranking he wouldn't be able to tell if he's getting spark.

I would check timing marks. If it's out enough it won't start. Really should of checked that before hand.

motor came out of a running write off so didnt expect to have an issue with timing... but then again i never personally heard the engine running so ill check timing...

if the timing isnt spot on ill be abusing the hell out of the guy i bought the motor off... cause they aint a running engine is it?

anyone else got any ideas?

i no fuel is coming through as plugs end up wet .. i dry them, check spark, refit and they end up wet again.....

well i say timing (Madmagna could cofirm this) as as long as the crank is giving a signal it should spark, but if it's sparking at the wrong time well you won't be starting it. Do the TE's have an immobilizer or anything?

Yeah i would check crank angle sensor connection and wire first, it can be vunerable where it runs up side of cam covers. Double check the leads are correct from dizzy cap to engine ie 1 to 1 etc.

Leads in the right order?

Leads in the right order?

didnt think of that.. will check that! (means someone has pulled them off and put them on wrong but could have happened)

Yeah i would check crank angle sensor connection and wire first, it can be vunerable where it runs up side of cam covers. Double check the leads are correct from dizzy cap to engine ie 1 to 1 etc.

crank angle sensor appears ok.. with it unplugged we get no spark.. plug it back in we get spark... is that a decent test of it?

;1265971']well i say timing (Madmagna could cofirm this) as as long as the crank is giving a signal it should spark, but if it's sparking at the wrong time well you won't be starting it. Do the TE's have an immobilizer or anything?

immob. is only going to kill fuel, start motor or spark which i have all 3 so no concerns there i dont think...

timing ill check out..

Interesting to see what the result is, let us know how you go.

Would it save the frustration just to get a mobile mechanic out?

im no genius but you need 4 things to make an engine run. 1 is fuel, 2 is Spark, 3 is Compression and 4 is all of the above to happen at the same time(timming). If you have spark and fuel i would check to see you have compression. If you have that it can only be all the things are not happening at the right time.:) Thats my 2c worth..

I think you missed one Jason :)

For fuel and spark to work together, you also need air!

Guys,
Grem is not an idiot, if he states he has fuel and spark, he has it mkay :)

Grem, you clearly have fuel, I assume that the TE was running ok before and teh fuel is not contaminated to start with.

You have checked spark, can I please ask how you checked

Best you first off get the your timing light, hook it up to #1 and crank, that will tell you have if you have sprark and most important if it is in the right place.

You should only have swapped the injector harness and the upper manifold over, all the dist, leads etc etc should be from the 3.5. The only other 3 bits to change are the aircon bracket, upper alt brakcet and upper PS pump bracket, everyhting else is and stays TJ as far as the engine goes.

I did reply to your MSN today but I gather you were out tryiug to get this bad boy running, call me if you need to bud, you have my number. BTW< the TE WILL run the 3.5 fine, the CAS is not a suspect if you have fuel and spark as NO CAS< NO SPARK or FUEL

hi mal

te was running fine before this... car has been sitting around for about 1 month but would expect fuel to be fresh enough to atleast get her running in some fashion?

checked spark by sitting spark plug, attached to a lead, on the intake manifold and cranking.. visually saw the spark

will get my timing light onto it..

have done everything as you've stated above as far as whats been used from the TE and what has come with the 3.5L engine

yeh was out today, sorry i missed ya on msn...cheers for the help mate

Any luck dude?

Id line up timing marks on cams and crank to make sure all good, and when you have them lined up, take off the dizzy cap and check the rotor is pointing to #1 lead point. that will let you know if the timing is right.

could it be a loose intake manifold? if you place your hand over the MAF and kick engine over does it suck air with no leaks ?

does it act like it wants to kick over or just cranking?
i had the afm connector foul up on mine and did the same thing.
corrected the corrosion factor and all good now.

timing was out 180deg.. bloody hell.. running motor straight out of a wreck it is suppose to be .. cant trust some ppl can you..

I take it that was 180 degrees out on the distributor rotor.

Ring him up and ask for an explanation. Glad to see it's sorted!
(Also, pay's to double check things before you put a 2nd hand motor in!)

I take it that was 180 degrees out on the distributor rotor.

no on the timing belt. looks like the timing belt has slipped at some point... dunno how but yeh i will be ringing up the seller to ask him to explain

lesson learnt believe me

thanks for the help guys

WHAT.
Holy crap. Does it start?! If not, That motor is dud and has at least 12 bent valves.

;1267053']WHAT.
Holy crap. Does it start?! If not, That motor is dud and has at least 12 bent valves.

havent fixed it yet

but 180deg out shouldnt do ne damage i dont think.

when it was turning over it sounded absoltuly fine

motor came out of a running write off so didnt expect to have an issue with timing... but then again i never personally heard the engine running so ill check timing...

if the timing isnt spot on ill be abusing the hell out of the guy i bought the motor off... cause they aint a running engine is it?

anyone else got any ideas?

i no fuel is coming through as plugs end up wet .. i dry them, check spark, refit and they end up wet again.....

Sounds like they got their engines mixed up ie: got the engine out of the car that wasn't running when it got written off

Grem,
Remember what I said, if the crank is on TDC and the cams have the marks down, then turn another full rotation and they will line up

It is not actually poss to get the cams 180 out as such as when the crank is on TDC the #1`piston will always be on TDC. If it is out however by say 90, then they may have also done a dodgy and tried to repair cover damage before you got the motor and they have not lined everything up.

As I said, get me a pic of the engine sitting on TDC and show me where the cams are

with you now mal.

will get the pic asap

cheers mate