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TL-04-VRX
22-06-2010, 05:20 PM
Im hearing a crap squeaky noise coming from one of my wheels while driving. At first i thought it was the brakes, but the noise is constant when driving and not while im braking. When i brake the noise stops :kb:
After pulling the front drivers side wheel off and taking off caliper, i cant see anything rubbing where it shouldnt be and pads are still good.
Any suggestions??
[TUFFTR]
22-06-2010, 05:23 PM
Did you spin the wheel while on the car stands? or what works aswell is just attach a few wheel nuts to keep the rotor planted, and start the car while on stands so the rotor turns and you'll be able to nail where it's coming from a bit easier
TW2005
22-06-2010, 06:40 PM
If it goes away with the application of the brakes it sounds like brake squeal to me. Try just lightly depressing the brake pedal and if it goes then I'm pretty sure it'll be the pads. I believe there's anti-squeal compound you can apply to the backing plates of the pads. Also my TW has Brake shims which were std fitment that clip over the back of the brake pads which I assume are there also to reduce brake squeal. Last time I had this problem was on an old TR in the 90's after I fitted bendix advance. It would eventually go away after a while but returned after using the brakes each time for a while.
Just my thoughts anyway.
TL-04-VRX
22-06-2010, 11:43 PM
i had the car jacked up and it was the front wheel so it wouldnt spin while in Park.
A mate of mine said the pads were missing the backing plates, but that shouldnt effect it too much. When u buy off the shelf pads do the plates come with?
Cheers for the help guys
Madmagna
23-06-2010, 09:36 AM
Is a brake pad squeal
THe backing plates are not that vital, take off the pads, clean them, use anti squeal on the pads and re install
TL-04-VRX
23-06-2010, 03:32 PM
Is a brake pad squeal
THe backing plates are not that vital, take off the pads, clean them, use anti squeal on the pads and re install
but should the wheel be squealling the whole time? Even when im driving, any speed over 20kms, without applying brakes?
Cheers
peaandham
23-06-2010, 05:38 PM
Wheel bearing maybe !
Shamous69
24-06-2010, 05:41 PM
could also be possible small stones caught between pad and disc.. ive had this before, constant squealing, rather annoying.
MagnaP.I
24-06-2010, 07:24 PM
I have the same short of noise, instead mine is a ticking noise, and it seems to be from my front left wheel.....one of the wheel nuts doesn't fully go in - not matter how I try - could that be the reason?
TL-04-VRX
26-06-2010, 11:33 AM
could also be possible small stones caught between pad and disc.. ive had this before, constant squealing, rather annoying.
shamous is the winner!!!!
After checking my front pads (i swear the noise was coming from there) i thought i should probably check the rears! After pulling the caliper off the drivers side rear, i noticed alot of crap in there. Cleaned everything up, rotated pads and now she is sweet :D
Cheers for all the help fella's
TW2005
26-06-2010, 12:13 PM
shamous is the winner!!!!
After checking my front pads (i swear the noise was coming from there) i thought i should probably check the rears! After pulling the caliper off the drivers side rear, i noticed alot of crap in there. Cleaned everything up, rotated pads and now she is sweet :D
Cheers for all the help fella's
Well I guess you've confirmed pretty much what we suspected, brake pad noise. Anyway when you say you rotated the pads, are you saying the pads are no longer in their original locations and have been swapped around? I always thought it was not a good practice to mix them up as they bed in and seat to the profile of the surface they run on. Maybe if they are roughed up and even it might be OK but I'm not 100% sure of this. That may be the other reason they are quiet now but may squeal again once they wear in again?? Hope they don't for your sake, it's certainly most annoying hearing constant squeaking.
TL-04-VRX
26-06-2010, 04:24 PM
Well I guess you've confirmed pretty much what we suspected, brake pad noise. Anyway when you say you rotated the pads, are you saying the pads are no longer in their original locations and have been swapped around? I always thought it was not a good practice to mix them up as they bed in and seat to the profile of the surface they run on. Maybe if they are roughed up and even it might be OK but I'm not 100% sure of this. That may be the other reason they are quiet now but may squeal again once they wear in again?? Hope they don't for your sake, it's certainly most annoying hearing constant squeaking.
Yeh mate u were on the money thanks for the advice. I did clean alot of crap out of there (small stone, plastic and crap :S) but yeh i changed the pads from the back of the rotor to the front of the rotor.... didnt realise that could be a bad thing :facepalm:
Im hoping that it was just the excess junk that somehow got lodged in there
Also i got a set of new pads from my neighbour, they are some ''uni pro" or something?? I currently have bendix pads but i didnt put the uni's in yet
TW2005
26-06-2010, 05:21 PM
No worries, I only mentioned that as a ? mark.
By the sounds of the debri you've found you're probably in the clear. If the rotors surface is in good nick and the pads are evenly worn probably I'm talking rubbish. I was just thinking if there were high spots on the pads it may cause hot spots in the rotors. Wouldn't mind hearing MadMagna's thought on it.
I've gotten in the habit of replacing the rotors with a pad change now because generally it works out just as cheap when I do it myself and saving on machining costs and labour. I got dudded once at a brake shop when they did my brakes + machining only to have the discs warp shortly after. On the second trip they said the rotors were getting thin as the cause, new rotors needed. Something they could have determined before they machined them in the first place, added cost to the job unnecessarily.
I went through the same frustration of brake squeal some years ago and gave up on it after going through all the cleaning , roughing up the pads to get them to bed in etc for no result. I didn't know about shims or anti squeal compounds back then and a little wiser now. Probably the cheap pads I used. Fixed though in the end by getting rid of the car :D
MadMax
26-06-2010, 07:39 PM
The original shims are important in stopping brake noise. Its worthwhile to get some from a wreckers if some slackarse previous owner didn't reuse them. Without them the pads can be sloppy in the calliper and rattle around.
I've seen pads glued to the pistons with silastik, worth a try if you get desperate I suppose. lol
TL-04-VRX
28-06-2010, 06:09 PM
No worries, I only mentioned that as a ? mark.
By the sounds of the debri you've found you're probably in the clear. If the rotors surface is in good nick and the pads are evenly worn probably I'm talking rubbish. I was just thinking if there were high spots on the pads it may cause hot spots in the rotors. Wouldn't mind hearing MadMagna's thought on it.
I've gotten in the habit of replacing the rotors with a pad change now because generally it works out just as cheap when I do it myself and saving on machining costs and labour. I got dudded once at a brake shop when they did my brakes + machining only to have the discs warp shortly after. On the second trip they said the rotors were getting thin as the cause, new rotors needed. Something they could have determined before they machined them in the first place, added cost to the job unnecessarily.
I went through the same frustration of brake squeal some years ago and gave up on it after going through all the cleaning , roughing up the pads to get them to bed in etc for no result. I didn't know about shims or anti squeal compounds back then and a little wiser now. Probably the cheap pads I used. Fixed though in the end by getting rid of the car :D
Yeh i think i will probably start doing the brakes for myself from now on. Never realised how easy it was. The rotors def need machining as i think the stone caused a small grove in the rotor.
The original shims are important in stopping brake noise. Its worthwhile to get some from a wreckers if some slackarse previous owner didn't reuse them. Without them the pads can be sloppy in the calliper and rattle around.
I've seen pads glued to the pistons with silastik, worth a try if you get desperate I suppose. lol
Yeh the shims are missing from the front, but the rears are their still luckily (noise was coming from rear) It looks like pads were glued to the piston previously cos i also pulled off all the excess silicone or whatever was holding it there. They are working great now and no noise so im happy lol
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