for all u first gen carby owners i am in the process of completing several mods. these include: (and try not too laugh :bowrofl: )

1. 6 cylinder XF falcon carb
2. Regrind Cam
3. Skimmed Head
4. Cold Air Induction
5. Port Matching

i will have pictures from today and tomorrow on taking out the engine on my website. at the end of it all, i will also have prices on everything i had to buy and a dyno sheet and 1/4 mile time sheet to justify these mods :D . hopefully i don't run into too much trouble, but im aiming for a 17.2 sec 1/4 and 70kw at the wheels.

if ANYONE (including those with EFI) want to know anything about taking out the engine or engine components just ask cause, like i said, im taking out the whole engine and will have/can get pics of it. so far the aircon piping, evaporator (thing sitting infront of radiator) and compressor are out of the car. along with the radiator and airbox assembly. ill b doing the timing chain aswell if anyone wants or needs pictures and a how-to on this.

here we go, the adventure begins :D

brendan

sweet cant w8 keep up posted,
just one thing wont these type of mods see ur petrol bill hit the roof???

hmm engine coming out, that could come in handy in the future!! plans sound good :)

it only uses more petrol if u open the throttle more :D
but u wont need as much throttle cos it will be making more power :) mitsiman said his 400+hp magna does normal fuel consumption when driving normally

with a cam upgrade + skimmed head u should make into the 80kw's i reckon atw, 70-75 with jsut the bigger carb - provided its tuned well :confused: cos standard EFI's were about 75atw iirc

TM-SE-RED, Id really appreciate some pics of the timing chain process. The more I read about my car, the more I get worried about the state of the timing chain, and it needs doing so that would be awesome.

:clap: Sounds good, so how much are these mods going to cost(approx)?

Yeah, some timing chain pics would be good, i think mine needs to be replaced or something, it makes a odd noise :S

:::UPDATE:::

the engine is OUT!!! :D :D

it took all day but it is finally out. it wasn't too hard at all, i get pictures of everthing from it 2morrow. ill write up a full how to wen i put it back 2gether i think, or wen i get lots of time haha. it does take awhile.

u pretty much start with the small stuff... airbox assembly, radiator, exhaust manifold etc... if u are totally unsure of removing pipes and things, buy some masking tape and a nicko and mark every pipe and where it goes to. (eg, top radiator pipe etc). do the same with all the wiring, label it. makes it so much easier later on. then we take the alternator off, starter motor, intake manifold and undo the gearbox from the block.

get the engine crane in, support the block with GOOD straps. today almost saw the block plow back through the engine bay into the ground :S one of the straps were rubbing on something sharp and it was shearing them.

the u just get into the engine mount bolts and lift the engine out. like i said, i will have a much more detailed write up later on.

well, i started with a budget of $700. so far so good...
VRS gasket kit = $80
Timing Chain (by itself) = $44

i am working all weekend but i can get pictures and a how to on doing the timing chain. ill try write that up on sunday night. price wise, im going perfect. have an approx mark on an XF carb. $50. these cars also came out with webers so hopefully i can pick one up. skimming head and regrind cam are gunna b by far the most expensive parts. i have allocated $250 for these 2 alone, but it could b more. that leaves $300 for margin of error and extras such as new oil, filter, gearbox oil, coolant etc...

TIMING CHAIN
yes, i will definately be doing a very good, detailed writeup of how to change the timing chain and how it works. i took the rocker cover off this afternoon to look at the timing chain. not good, one of the guides are broken so i will have to replace this. also, there was very LITTLE tension on the timing chain, so that is y it was making suck a racket (and the fact a guide was broken). i did read somewhere that if ur chain is making alot of noise, most often it could b one of the guides are broken. to replace this, the engine will have to come out as i can't see any other way to work on it. my timing chain does look perfect and so i can't justify buying another :confused: . ohwell, i will have one spare haha... if i don't use it, i will probably sell it for $20 or something, still in the packaging it originally came in.

CLEANING
if u take ur engine out (or even while its still in) take some time to clean it alittle aswell. it makes it so much nicer to work on. i strongly recommend Carby Cleaner. $3 a can from repco i get it for. get 2 or 3 cans or so and store them... clean ur rocker cover especially. at least this way also, u can c if there is a leak anywhere. just DO NOT get any of the carby cleaner on the spark plugs leads or plugs themselves... and not on the paint, it will eat the paint away. as soon as u spray it on, u will c how good this stuff is... it cuts into the grime straight away. and while ur at it, give ur carby a spray :D u know how good it cleans grime and crap from ur rocker cover, imagine wat it'll do to the crap in ur carby that gets past the filter! is my recommendation for 2day haha.

there isn't too much more i can say at the moment. most of the action will b happening monday, tuesday and wednesday with the mods being applied, and hopefully getting the whole engine in by saturday next week. timewise, we are cruising. price wise, we are cruising. thats all for now, ill try post again monday with some more info.

brendan

Sounds great!!! If i have to pull my damn engine out to fix one of those guides, i will be PISSED!!!! lol

hrm, tell me about the cam, how much and where from and what type? also shaving the heads, tell me about this plz

another "dan" woohoo haha, i'm brendan as well. nice to meet ya mate. good job on the car :D

Dude why not get a stage 1 cam from RPW? its $275 and like they say your not busting through the hardened surface and just wearing your cam whenever your engine is running.. I'm gonna get that cam when i get the bigger throttlebody like in 2 years time haha.

oh and don't astrons 2 pull 97kW atw?

The manual (for TP astron 2), says 93kw for eci, and 83kw for carbie :)

:::UPDATE:::


oh and don't astrons 2 pull 97kW atw?

nope. the efi astron II engines in the first gens run 93kw AT THE ENGINE and the carbs run 83 AT THE ENGINE. this is not an at the wheels rating. they are 67kw at the wheels stock apparently (the carbys at 67atw). the 2nd gen astrons pull abit more. the efi ones have 98kw at the engine.

yep, ill let u guys know about the head shave and cam. i haven't gotten prices yet, but i will get them on monday for sure, along with the new carby from the wreckers. i will have to rejet the carby aswell, putting smaller jets in so as not to flood my car with the touch of the pedal lol . yes, i have read all about the cam regrinds on the RPW site. im not getting one from RPW as i live directly on the other side of the country from PERTH haha. townsville north queensland is abit fair away and hurts the pocket, shipping wise. i'd b much better going to a local place and getting a brand new one. i would rather a brand new one, but again, if i can afford it ill go for it. i have allocated the $250 for head shave and cam so if the head shave isn't too much then i can get a brand new cam (by adding alittle to that allocated amount). we will just have to see, in time.

TIMING CHAIN
well, i took the timing chain and carby off this avo after work. timing chain was perfect, these things are tough!!! BUT, the tensioners were shot to SH#T! they are made of metal with wat looks like a plastic coating. the chain being loose and hitting the tensioners all the time has stripped the plastic coating and eating into the metal! 1 of the tensioners was worn all the way through to the bolt and half eaten through the bolt!!! too much longer, and i'd say the tensioner would have snapped and that would've meant metal floating in the oil! NOT GOOD. along with this, a tip of 1 of the guides was SNAPPED completely off and just sitting against the chain. extremely bad. it was a massive piece of metal. the thing is, to b able to even tension the timing chain you need to take the engine out. the tensioners are a small piece of metal with bolts holding them in to place. by adjusting the bolts, u can tension the chain. if ur 1st gen has a BAD timing chain rattle... consider buying a timing chain kit and getting this done. BUT, if u are doing this i also recommend buying an aftermarket oil pump to go on aswell, even a high performance oil pump are cheaper than the mitsu genuine parts!

CARBY
next surprise: saw me taking the carby off and looking at the primary/secondarys. well, the secondarys were SEIZED SHUT. it took alittle while to pry it open but we finally did. ill show u guys a picture wen i can get my mates damn camera haha. so, my car was running without the secondarys even opening. around about 60% power i was seeing from my astron, and i still beat my mates honda prelude to 60 haha. imagine wat this XF carb is gunna do for me. im getting the adapter plate made up early next week too.

ON TRACK?
time wise, im still on track to b finished in 1 week. money wise, well im gunna either have to buy the whole timing chain kit or if i can get my hands on just the tensioner kit or getting tensioners and guides from another astron II. new timing chain kit will hit my budget hardcore! $300. hopefully i can just get the tensioner kit. ohwell...

i'm going well keeping this updated :D ill post again soon

brendan

p.s. go the brendans! haha

83 @ the engine, and here i was thinking it was atw :redface: my bad :silenced:

Anyway ild like to see what youre going to do with that XF carb (pics would be very nice) :)

who's doing all the work for it

you fellas should have seen the state of the chain guides and tensioners :redface: worn about 2 mm into the steel :confused: its a really stupid design

83 @ the engine, and here i was thinking it was atw :redface: my bad :silenced:

Anyway ild like to see what youre going to do with that XF carb (pics would be very nice) :)
Im making an adapter plate up for it, ill make two or three if anyone else is interested, and a gued on how to install it

Well im down-state from you (north brisbane) so get 2 cams made and send one down to me on the train :P no but seriously im in the market for a new cam, whats the point of a headshave?

Its funny how the 2nd and mostly the 3rd gens have so much more power but i was keeping up to megatron and mischef on the cruise last night, but i guess mischefs car is a 2nd gen auto but he's also a good driver so in theory what he couldnt get up on the straights he should pick up in the bends, they both had mags so their rubber-on-the-road is more then mine too.. but over a straight if alan really put his foot down and dropped a cog his 3rd gen manual would kill me and have time for a movie.. still, gave me a little hope that i could turn some horses over in my car before i decided to ditch it and get something with factory forced induction..

factory forced induction..
I like your thinking
:cool:

Shaving the head will raise the compression, also raising torque and fuel econemy. I just have to work out how much to shave from the head....

This is a great thread, cant wait to see some photos, good job guys. Damn timing chain - mine makes a bad noise on startup until the oil gets to it 1-3seconds or so.

This is a great thread, cant wait to see some photos, good job guys. Damn timing chain - mine makes a bad noise on startup until the oil gets to it 1-3seconds or so.

Yeah same hey, its a cool trend man :shock:

i figured while someones ****ing with my engine to fix the timing chain they may as well throw a cam in so hurry up and get that cam/headshave thing going so i can get it done if its cheap enough (remember to add prices) :cool:

ok well 2day i went and got all the prices for the essential parts of this modding process :D

repco machine shop:

$120 for regrinding cam
$60 for head skim

wreckers:

i am just back from the wreckers and i bought an XF WEBER carburettor and the XF airbox assembly (just incase mine cant b modded to fit) for $60. yes, a weber for $60 :D

so... my $600 budget is still looking achievable but it will take alittle longer to get everything back 2gether. 120 + 60 + 60 is $240. i initially allocated $250 for the cam and head skim!!! now i have to buy the full timing chain kit which is $300 :cry: but that still leaves me enough to buy new vacuum hose, oil, gearbox oil and coolant. everything is on track and coming 2gether very nicely. im so happy i got my hands on a weber :D

brendan

180$ dang, i think i might have to look around for somewhere in brisbane that will do that does that place have another shop down here? :P

do u have repco at all in brisbane? i think brissy does?

i dropped the head and cam off to the machine shop an hour ago. it's gunna b a few days for the head skim and maybe a week for the cam (cause it has to b sent to brisbane). that's alright for u brisbane guys, get it done straight away.

not too much else can happen at the moment. wen i get the head back in a few days ill start assembling the engine again :D. i have to get an adaptor plate welded too.

Hehe, bit of a ***** that you have to wait for your car eh? cant wait for photos :D

yeah, heaps of repco's around brisbane, can think of 3 within 20 minutes of where i am..

How much difference would the XF carby make?

here are the pics. :D

and some more...

i bought a timing chain kit from Repco 2day for $217 aswell. this will come with all the guides and tensioners and the chains. the kit WITH GEARS was over $500!!! lucky the gears were still ok.

Looks like its going well, have you got the chain cover off? Its gonna be great to see the condition of the old chain guides and tensioners.

yep, chain cover is off. the old tensioners and guides were f#%&*d! got the timing chain kit in 2day and it has EVERYTHING!!! for $217 its well worth it. got the head back 2day. 10 thou was shaved off. not too sure how much this will raise compression but it will raise it slightly. this was only $60. is a nice cheap mod to do if u are looking for one.

Could you get us some pics of where the chain cover is located and how you took it off? i wouldnt mind taking a look at mine...

How much difference would the XF carby make?
The primary of the webber is the size of the secondary of the magna carbi :D Its going to be a **** to drive until the thing is sorted out and tuned but i reckon it will give the feeling that u will never want to change gear cos its pulling all the way up :D Its a nice carb design too

Could you get us some pics of where the chain cover is located and how you took it off? i wouldnt mind taking a look at mine...
I can not imagine doing it with the engine in the car hey! it would be hell. Not that engine out is a real drama anyways :cool:

looks like is coming along nice, maybe now the motor is out geting tricked up you should hit that engine bay with some other color than green, hope the rest of the process runs smooth :thumbsup:

Pete

yeah, it ticks me off with a green engine bay. but hey, thats wat u get wen u are lazy and pay $400 for a paint job, doing it urself.

wont beat my car

nothing beats the stock v6 auto hey :bowrofl:

dont worry, when im done with modding my 1st gen it will be :P

Wish i had enough money to start modding mine, im still awaiting the call from Super Cheap about a job.

dont worry, when im done with modding my 1st gen it will be :P

Hehe, you know you got owned if your beaten by a first gen :badgrin: but it doesnt happen often lol

My first Gen will pwn all!! like i said above, when i get a job lol

eh mine wont lol, i'll just stick with a slow magna while at uni not made of money :cry:

Hehe, you know you got owned if your beaten by a first gen :badgrin: but it doesnt happen often lol
It will happen a bit more often once I finnish this engine :D
and as for the money side of things. with 600 bucks and a few friends who have the know you should be able to piss all those mods in. 600 includes the chain kit for 200 aswell kiddies :redface:

These mods arnt expencive. but he's going to have to run premium forever now hahahah

It will happen a bit more often once I finnish this engine :D
and as for the money side of things. with 600 bucks and a few friends who have the know you should be able to piss all those mods in. 600 includes the chain kit for 200 aswell kiddies :redface:

These mods arnt expencive. but he's going to have to run premium forever now hahahah

Sweet as, any ideas with 600 for an ECI magna lol to get it up to speed, just got 2.25" cat back today, doesnt sound so granny like!

nice wun with the exhaust, i bet you didn't see any more performance tho :cry:

Same mods will work for yours, regrind cam, raise the compression and then instead of carbi upgrade get a GOOD set of extractors (not wildcat) and u should see some good gains mate :D

just watch out for the pinging, if your car already pings dont raise the comp. The astrons are known for hot spots which cause pinging reguardless of timing

sweet, yeh no gains noticeable from zorst for me! i'm sure on a dyno u mite notice a tad but i didnt notice much lol sounds better and better than the holey muffler.
Eh my car is gettin costly already so no mods for a while...alternator + valve stem seals + engine mounts + idle speed controllor + few other small things... @175ks :(
I've barely driven car since i've had it, damn brother and offering cheapness ha, dont u worry, i'll be gettin my moneys worth outta this, i'm making sure! :badgrin:

good work tele. im port matching and polishing the TM's manifolds and head tomorrow! im gonna get real drunk and have a lash, ive done it before but they all ****ed up within a week. ah well not my head lol

Sounds good again! hmmm gotta love mods, my mechanic is doing this stuff for me atm, as i dont wana wreck the car just yet, but will slowly progress to doing more and more!

I got a massive TN service manual, rather large, has heaps of info (tho mines TP..close enough :P) so that will keep me busy learning, i was thinkin of gettin a wreck of a magna for parts and also to rip apart...but we'll have to see if i can get enough shifts at work lol

is it a mitsu manual? from there workshop? if it is im sure AM bloke will really want you to scan it and send it to him!

Yep its the workshop manual, not gregorys or nething like that.
I dont think i'll be scanning it, its massive! It'd be like scanning an encyclopedia lol

I did my 500 page daihatsu one, cmon dont be a sook :P Do it over a few weeks. Do you have a MAC or PC so u can make it a PDF. DO IT DO IT.


I flowed my exhaust manifold today to adapt it to the new turbo adapter plate attached. Its all looking good for brendans manifolds now im all practiced up

I did my 500 page daihatsu one, cmon dont be a sook :P

BAHAHA did u do it so ppl can see how lawn mowers work :doubt: lol :P

yeah jason, high jacking the thread to talk bout ur lawn mower... cmon mate make a new thread. :bowrofl:


anyway.... ive bin sick and working too much lately. i rang repco 2day and the stupid cam STILL isn't back. its bin over a week. its the main thing i need back. then i need the head port matched and carbi adaptor plate welded on. ill go and get 3m worth of nice new vacuum aswell. (red, blue or black ppl lol). and then im spraying the rocker cover in a high temp engine enamel... black of course. i dont like the red, it has bin done countless number of times by ppl too. as soon as i get my cam back, i can take pictures of the timing chain assembly and show u all wat it looks like and exactly how it works. plus, show just how stuffed my tensioners and guides were.

so.... next week sometime it looks like my car will b ready. that'll b the 3rd week. heres a TIP... buy a brand new cam or if u are going to regrind, send it in ASAP. cause its the main thing u need to put the engine back 2gether! and another TIP... get the rocker cover bead blasted... will clean it to a sparkle. my head was bead blasted at repco and it is sparkling! very nice. thats all til probs next week. i need my car back so bad, cant wait for the cam.

brendan

:P you should see my new manifold adapter aswell :cool:
And my dump pipe :cool:

Its since been high temp powder coated
i made these myself btw


http://members.westnet.com.au/jasonbroadhurst/images/dump.JPG
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http://members.westnet.com.au/jasonbroadhurst/images/dump2.JPG
http://members.westnet.com.au/jasonbroadhurst/images/dump3.JPG
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if you're in melbourne i have access to a photocopier/scanner that will scan about 20-30 pages per minute (automated), (although i think transfers are a bit slower than that) for that workshop manual.

As long as its not bound, it'll be piss easy.

I'm also quite interested in the gains from the XF carby, and the ease of installation of it (adapter plates, bits not fitting, tuning). Think i should be able to find an XF carby dead cheap, most likely a stocky.

i can make the adapter plates for 40 bucks a piece out of 11mm mild if anyone is interested.

$40? you said $30 in the 'pics of timing chain assembly' thread :confused:

anyway i think ill wait until reports of how tm-se-red's goes with it lol

yeah i realized its a cnut to do :doubt: and i have to die grind a fair chunk of it

:::UPDATE:::

THE CAR IS BACK ON THE ROAD!!!!!!!!! :D

we had some troubles, lovely backfiring back out of the carb lol. god it was funny to watch. umm... damn it looks so much cleaner in the engine bay!!! there is actually some room!

for anyone interested in the carby adapter plate... PERFECT!!!! the guy at the carby centre here in townsville (he is a good bloke and knows wat hes talking about) said that he was very impressed with the adapter plate, it was quite well done. thankyou to turbo_charade. if anyone is interested it will cost $40 + postage (a bargain considering the time and effort needed) in an above post i read turbo_charade said $30 or something? that was before we got to the die grinding :confused: ... very boring work that takes ALONG time. if we were to make 3 or 4 of these plates for ppl, it would cost abit. we have priced them on wat it will cost for the materials (metal, die grinder piece etc)... cause i wouldnt mind seeing a few more magnas around with these XF carbs!

took the car for a drive. GOD DAMN IT SOUNDS GOOD! u can hear the secondarys kick in and suck... unbelievable sound. its so nice! everyone who i took for a drive (lude driver, MX6 turbo driver) said that it had a very nice note. it isn't tuned properly yet... that will happen within the next week and im going to get an open air circular filter to put on the carb as neither the stock magna airbox or XF airbox fits on under the bonnet. i'll probably get a grill inserted into the bonnet to get cold air directly to the carby. having said it isnt tuned, it has abit more than before! gains are noticeable already and its not even tuned! im quite happy with how it has gone.

pics will come as soon as possible. i dont have a digi cam and it all depends on my friends that do have the cameras. i might even try and take a really short video clip and try and show you guys wat it sounds like. i just wanted to keep revving it to hear it! lol anyways, thats it from me for another few days.

any questions post them, obviously, or u can pm me wateva. im eager to answer any questions. direct any questions towards turbo_charade aswell... he's always helpful

brendan

such a sweet note.. with no air box on :P

yeah, as if you won't hear it with an open air circular filter

Hmmm XF carb...im seriously considering it.
Ild probaly have to get extractors aswell to get the most out of it right?

Hmmm XF carb...im seriously considering it.
Ild probaly have to get extractors aswell to get the most out of it right?
yeah most probably. and a custom adapter plate :cool:

Yes of course :D So does that $40 icluded postage?

nope :P

Ohwell :doubt: hopefully it wont cost too much to get it to tasmania, how much does it weigh?

how about a LPG carby setup from the XF's? Could be an interesting way to go if anyone was interested.

Ohwell :doubt: hopefully it wont cost too much to get it to tasmania, how much does it weigh?
pretty light, about as much as a 70x60x12 piece of steel would weigh :P

i'd say it wouldve weighed around 1kg or abit less even. yeah actually it wouldn't have bin 1kg. is good solid steel though.

Well assuming the density of Steel is approximately 7500kg/m^3 therefore .07*.06*.012*7500=.378kg this of course without factoring in the bits cut out of the middle :nuts:

But anyway I think ill try and acquire an XF carb first before getting the adaptor plate. TM-SE-RED you said yours was $60 didnt you?

yep, the XF carb was $50 and i got the XF airbox aswell just in case for a further $10 but u won't need it. if u want more gains, get an open air circular filter and look into either a bonnet scoop or a grille. depending on wat u prefer.

BUT, don't just ask for an XF carb. the XF's came out with 2 diff carbs apparently. webers and strombergs. make sure u specify weber. you'll also have to buy a connector for fuel input. we paid $9 but that was from a proper carby place. u could get a similar fitting from anyway that sells hose etc... umm... don't need the vacuum line on the weber... u will have PLENTY left over from the stock magna carb to cut up and use. we cut up abit to use and i still have HEAPS! i definately have to take a picture of this engine bay.

if u still aren't totally convinced, don't get it just yet. i haven't tuned it and seen wat the gains really are. im pretty sure im the only one to put an XF weber carb on my magna in australia so i really am the guinea pig here. (guinea pig weber on guinea pig TM 1st gen lol)

done done and done :D

i've got pics coming of the engine bay. i gave an auto laser a run 2nite down teh 1/4. stock, just a normal 1.8L laser and beat him by 1 carlength :D beat a 88 honda prelude to 60(106kw and 176nm) ill have to give him another run though cause he said he didnt launch properly. even though i had 2-3 carlengths on him by 60 and he still punched it with both of our tyres spinning. the 2nd run i had against the lude was atrocious lol... he spun the wheels pretty bad and i did not get traction through 1st lol! that was dumping at 2000rpm, and i spun halfway through 2nd gear. so much torque now! I LOVE THIS CAR!!!! i chopped an old SSS pulsar aswell by 3 carlengths to 60 haha... he did the loser flyby, doin around 80 with his stereo up. he was the only one who broke the speed limit haha. i cant say it enough, i love this car so much now and for $600, and me and mates doing all the work, u cant go wrong!!! there are a few little things i have to get done properly. mainly to do with the throttle cable... u need telepathic powers to get launches right :confused: ill be going on a trip with a few mates down to brissy at the end of the year aswell so all u brissy boys, we should get a cruise happening!!! ill post in the QLD section aswell cause i would like to meet up with everyone, especially the 1st gen guys to show them wat i did. i'll b chopping a few of the gen 2's aswell haha... aslong as they arent TOO modded. anyway, thats all from me...

brendan

haha sweeet

do u get much torque steer at all? :D

I wouldnt mind putting an XF carb on my car, where could i get the mounting bracket made? and is it very hard to put in?

So thats a two thumbs up for the XF carb then??

haha sweeet

do u get much torque steer at all? :D


not too much. i did once wen i punched it round a corner and put it into 2nd (not too much traction on the inside wheel in 1st lol)...but once i got out of the corner into a straight line it wanted to pull to the left abit but it was easily corrected. it dosen't spin too much in 2nd, more of a chirp/scrub for a sec then traction. nothing like my mates MX6 turbo anyway lol ... atm i would assume my car would run a mid to high 17 without exhaust and without being properly tuned.



I wouldnt mind putting an XF carb on my car, where could i get the mounting bracket made? and is it very hard to put in?

needs only an adapter plate, made from mild steel. quite thick stuff (just to b very safe). u could take it to a mechanic or a carby place to make i suppose. tell them wat u want and they should do it for u. do this with the WEBER XF CARB because they are easier to tune and all round easier to work with. very easy to install once the adapter plate is made. just sit it on the adapter plate, bolt her down... connect the VERY FEW vacuum lines and fuel lines and ur done. aslong as u get ur timing right otherwise you'll c backfiring out of the carby like i did hahaha. so funny... poor thing :confused:


So thats a two thumbs up for the XF carb then??

its gotten 2 thumbs up from everyone i know. even just the carb will make a huge difference hey, cam isnt doing too much at all if any atm. i need an exhaust and then my bonnet vent! cold air straight into my airfilter/carby. im also making a heatshield around the airfilter to seal against the bonnet (around the vent) so the cold air will b vented into this box/heat shield type thing around my air filter and get sucked straight in without being warmed too much at all... all more HP :D

may i suggest getting the head skimmed 10 thou aswell? all helps with torque/fuel efficiency. the engine dosen't need to b taken out for this mod. the only reason i took mine out was for the timing chain. i am still able to run unleaded petrol with the head being skimmed and so far on half a tank i have gotten 170km (with a bit to go and me wanting to hear secondarys EVERY time i take off haha) so yeah, im not driving very economically but that is pretty decent fuel economy still

i get chirps in second (they dont make noise but i can feel it).

i get power spinning when boost comes on, beat that :P

i dont consider my car having power, beat that!

my car DOESNT have power...you just got beaten :P

i still dont cherp 2nd tho. never tried

i still dont cherp 2nd tho. never tried
HAHA u suck i can spin the wheels in 2nd nun of this cherping busness SPIN!! :badgrin:

So how about putting it on a dyno to how much it actually is pulling :D

i'm getting it tuned 2morrow morning so that it actually runs properly first. then im wondering if i should dyno it before or after the exhaust etc is put on. i was always gunna dyno it, dont u worry bout that! :D i'll b disappointed if it isnt 80kw at the wheels after the exhaust is put on. that was my goal... that and a sub 18 1/4 mile. i know ill definately have the sub 18 after exhaust... its either there now or very very close for sure. it might b awhile before i can get to a dyno though... ill post as soon as i can with the results.

the red road boat beats me off the line :rant:

the red road boat beats me off the line :rant:

Decent effort!

:P when i had boost leaks, frigged secondarys and couldn't hit boost in 1st gear ... thankyou come again

when you said it beats you off the line i thought it was a regular thing, dohhhh lol all good fun but i must admit boost is truly awesome :D

it will b a regular thing from now on :D

it does get of the line faster than most cars ive seen tho :redface: not bad for a land bardge

someone post something and bring this forum section back to life already

hehe, well i'm in the process of doing my brake pads, but my front calipers dont wana come off, being right ****s they are! just gotta get the right socket for me torque wrench then i will attack it.

Get a BIG HAMMER :D

WTF no size changing allowed. oh well

want me to post something? here we go...

i've bin abit ticked off lately. head gasket is leaking/blown. it all happened wen i decided to take it on a hill run the night before the carby was tuned and head bolts retensioned :rant:

IDIOT :slap:

i stayed right behind my mates MX6 turbo up the hill and left my other mates honda prelude behind! didnt take it on a down hill run... alot more dangerous than going for a run up a hill

anyway... next day the car started to do abit of shuddering etc... i knew something was wrong but didn't know wat. (yes jason, i knew something was wrong)... but i drove it to the carby place to get it tuned anyway. that arvo we retensioned the head, only to find bubbles in the coolant. :rant:

so now my car is sitting under the house, unused AGAIN :doubt:

i just unbolted the intake and exhaust manifolds off, took the water pump pully off and loosened all the head bolts for 2morrow where me and turbo_charade are gunna take the head off again... take it to repco to get pressure tested and perhaps even skimmed again (if the head is warped) i've already got the new head gasket waiting to go on, just gotta get the head tested. then its reassemble (least the engine is still in) and drive it VERY CAREFULLY for another 400-500km wen we retension the head. but yeah... now i gotta get another intake manifold gasket and new head bolts... plus the head getting tested. money i DID NOT HAVE TO SPEND. :rant: it's my own fault though... couldn't get enough of the new "power" and could've seriously damaged my car. (ie, new head if its cracked)

that's it from me for now... stupid car. wish everything was just how its sposed to b and... GOOD. just the toys u get in yowies. already built. ohwell

brendan

Ahh that sux, i'm sure it'll come good soon, but yer forking out more coin is a pain, especially unexpected expenses :rant:

Sorry too here that mate just couldnt get enough of that buzz,I know what its like.

P.s This has been an intresting thread and I have enjoyed it alot,goodluck:)

more to come once it runs good and has less vacuum leaks :P

hey turbo_ have u run ur charade down the quarter yet with the new turbo? it'd be interestin to see what she runs :cool:

yer yer :spam: i know lol

Hey, Brendan, out of curiosity, how many KM covered before you blew the gasket? I'm just trying to see if it beat my 57km rebuilt to failure. (I broke a brand new timing belt. Fortunatly it was a freemilling engine. Unfortunatly, I did it 2km from home... and I hand to push the bloody thing!)

well i had done between 300-400km on it. and it only blew cause i pushed it hardish up the hill. it would not have failed if i had've bin more careful with it before i got the head bolts retensioned. nothing like ur 57km :confused: sounds dodgy

Do u know if an 85kw 2.6L TR carby model would benefit much from an XF carby? Have always hated the fact that I got the carby model but in some ways it's good if you want to modify.

a TR carbi ay i didn't know they came carbi. but same mods i reckon will do it. get it upwards of 100kw at the fly without a doubt

im just gonna get nos, i dont have a carbi to mod :(

you can do the same mods aswell, cam, filter and an exhaust. you have efi which sorts its own fueling out

hey turbo_ have u run ur charade down the quarter yet with the new turbo? it'd be interestin to see what she runs :cool:

yer yer :spam: i know lol
17.2 on about 6psi @ 82odd mph the mph changed very little but i did run some shocking times.

a TR carbi ay i didn't know they came carbi. but same mods i reckon will do it. get it upwards of 100kw at the fly without a doubt

Yeah they even were making carbies in 1996 which was the last year they made TS sedans. They made a version called TS GLX which was 85kw and a carby in 1996!. God knows why? Mine is a 1992 TR GLX.

they would have been cheap and still okay i guess, just lacking the extra power and torque. still wonders why one would buy one new :redface:

Do u know if an 85kw 2.6L TR carby model would benefit much from an XF carby? Have always hated the fact that I got the carby model but in some ways it's good if you want to modify.

i didn't think the 2nd gens had the same carby as the 1st gens? they obviously do or at least VERY similar. the XF carb is gunna b bigger for starters than the one that u have and so a higher fuel/air mixture can b gained from it. which, of course, means more power. put a mild cam in, give it an open air circular filter... give it some vents/scoop (whichever u prefer) so it has cold air and hey... u will shock alot of other cars on the road like mine is doing on the roads right now! that's without an exhaust, getting the most out of the cam aswell. and the open air filter sucking in hot under bonnet air.

for a mild cam ($300 from RPW and around that from Crow Cams) $275 - $300 (or $120 regrind but it may b better to get a genuine mild cam. least u know its done right the first time!)

XF carby - $60 roughly from wreckers(forget the XF air box assembly... won't fit)

adapter plate for carby - if u are getting it made by a mechanic or someone like that it'd probably cost upwards of $100+. must b mild steel, nice and thick. since turbo_charade kindly offered his die grinding skills (i must admit they are pretty decent) it only cost me $30 to get the adapter plate flowed to the intake manifold and carby and bolted on ready for the carby to slip right on

open air circular filter - $70 to get the XF carby. this includes the filter element, bolts etc... everything u need.

vents/scoop - i haven't looked into it as yet but im getting the vents which is abit more mucking around i think anyway. scoop u could get from an old cordia or starion etc.

u may have gathered all this from previous posts or i may have even posted prices before. but hey, i wanted to do it again cause i love seeing how much i spent on it for the gains i got. carby's are great value for money :D

brendan

XF carb aquired :D

TM-SE-RED, if you have the magna carb you took off laying around, could you tell me how big the bottom of it is and what distance the holes for the bolts are in from the sides, as im trying to make up my own to adapter plates.

its around somewhere, ur better off taking urs off and looking. its hard to get the measurments for it.

Hi, i just joined today but i have been reading this forum with much intrest for a few weeks now.
These mods you are doing TM-SE-RED have been great to hear about and i am intrested in doing them myself, particulary the Webber carb. I recently aquired a webber carb off what i belive to be an XF falcon or somthing similar out of a mates shed, he bought it a while ago and said he thought it was off a "250 crossflow". I was hoping you could post a pic or two of your engine bay/carb (with and without the air filter) so i can see what it looks like on thier and which vacum lines u kept etc.

Turbo-Charade is there any chance (if its the same webber) that you could make an adapter plate for me ? would 50 bucks be ok (id pay any postage of course). Do you need the manifold and carb to do it? i am in WA. Nice charade btw, must be great to drive :)

The carby didnt come with an air filter housing or filter, any recommendations for an aftermarket replacement?

The carby didnt come with an air filter housing or filter, any recommendations for an aftermarket replacement?

My mate used to have a RAMFLO air filter for his XE Falcon, picked it up for $50 couple years ago from Autobarn, I think supercheap might still have them, not sure of current pricing, but made a noticable improvment and was easy to install :D

ok... as most of u may know ive blown a head gasket and cracked my head. i've gone to get a reconditioned head 2day. on another thread ive said there was noway it would b $400. im forced to eat my own words :cry:

$450 for a recon head, exchange, WITHOUT cam and rocker gear (which is alright anyway since i have a regrind cam to go in). ive had to get it... at least this way i know its not warped or cracked. i bought $110 worth of gaskets. the Permaseal head gasket was $54. good quality gaskets, i want to make sure everything is done right and as good as it can be done. so im looking at the car being back on the road FINALLY in the next 3 days or so.

im not getting the new head skimmed again... only because i dont have time to wait for it. not even 1 day. i need to make sure everything is done and allow for any extras we may find, which will take more time. and after the recon head costing so much, i dont even have the $60 to get it done anyway. if we were to skim the head again... it would probably be 15-20 thou instead of just the 10 thou we had done before as it did not ping at all before.

thats a bummer about the cost. damn cars and tryin to do things on a budget then stuff happens. I recently put new pads and got teh discs machined on my car, but i'd never taken a wheel off in my life before, so it was a learning experience, main cost was buying tools etc that i didnt have as nobody in my house is mechanical, and also workin from a manual was fun ha. All up it cost me $420, goodyear quoted $450, so that was good and i now have a few tools, i want to try take the head off and get it skimmed at the end of the year, i'm not sure if i can afford a cam but yer one thing at a time :)

I'm sure your car will still go good once its all going again :cool:

could the magna actualy be finnished now?

yes my car is back on the road. shock horror :nuts:

although my tappets are as noisy as hell and oil leaks out from around the timing chain cover that we took off, it's running good. im actually gunna baby it for 300km in which we will retorque the head. the main thing is that there are no water leaks and the water isn't getting vapourised and flying out in the form of steam out of my exhaust :confused:

maybe now i can try and concentrate on other parts of my car. next thing im gunna go for is either a steering wheel or an amp to run my sub properly. has anyone had much luck with quietning down their boot (tail lights, boot lid) with a sub in the boot? i need to know cause my tail lights shake so much and my sub is only half powered :nuts:

Tappets are piss easy to adjust... It should say in the Gregory's how to do it. :cool:

My friend has 8x 12" subs in his car, suprisingly he stopped a lot of the boot rattle. Used about 3 tubes of silicon between the boot lid and the support bars, sorry i dont know teh proper terms but yer in the middle part :P Now every other part of the car rattles more.

Why didnt he just hire a 2x6 meter pink bin, fill it with silicon and dip his car in it.

Tappets are piss easy to adjust... It should say in the Gregory's how to do it. :cool:
oh are they :P ill give you fifty bucks to adjust brendans lol

Why didnt he just hire a 2x6 meter pink bin, fill it with silicon and dip his car in it.

What people do is up to them, all i'm saying is that it worked.