We recently bought a Magna Solara TW seriesII which has under 90K on the clock.
We also have an older Magna Si TJ

Now perhaps someone can please comment

We find the TW much more noisier on the road (road noise)
The TJ seems to have more power or Zippp...
The TW jerks when putting into Drive whereas the TJ does not.

Do you agree with these observations ?
Has the TJ better noise insulation and a Zippier engine ?

Cheers

EDIT Comparing TW with a TJ

Im lost... theres a TL involved too??

i think the tw is a bit heavier than the tj, so that explains the zip,
the tj might have o;der engine mounts, explaining the jolt. or it might have a different gearbox.
i would guess the tl is closer to the tw than the tj

The TL-TW had changes made to the structure of the car, and more safety features fitted than previous models. In essence it's a heavier car.

For road noise, cost cutting/reducing build costs of the car. From the TH onwards NVH insulation was slowly changed or omitted.

Bear in mind that tyre choice makes a difference to road noise. The 18's on my car have given me more road noise.

I found my TL (virtually identical to TW) to be noisy after driving a VS Commodore for years. Tyre noise, especially from the rear and engine noise on acceleration are greater than expected. My TL is smooth as silk when selecting D or N. As for power I can only gauge it against the old VS and I'd say its nippier and more responsive.

Thanks for all replies so far...

The TJ definitely has more go.... the weight gain for TW's safety increase is probaly the reason then

I had wondered if tyres were a factor but the TW's tyres are big Turanzas...so maybe the noise insulation has been omitted in the later models as Craig suggests

TL and TW are known to be not as well made as previous models, with certain areas of cost cutting creeping through. After being a TE, I could safely say it felt more solid than my TJ. Even further, the TS was a tank compared to both!

believe the TL/TW had different final ratio as well which made is slower but more economical on freeway driving

Jerking into drive is usually a TPS adjustment problem, easily fixed.

MadMax - Thanks for that.. I will get someone to check the TPS out

Ive just had a look at the bonnet and Firewall insulation in the TJ and the TW.
Bonnet insulation is thicker on the TJ ...... firewall insulation appears the same....
I wonder about the insulation one cant see..

The tyres on the TW are Turanza ER30 (supposedly quiet tyres)..

MadMax - Thanks for that.. I will get someone to check the TPS out

Ive just had a look at the bonnet and Firewall insulation in the TJ and the TW.
Bonnet insulation is thicker on the TJ ...... firewall insulation appears the same....
I wonder about the insulation one cant see..

The tyres on the TW are Turanza ER30 (supposedly quiet tyres)..

I know that this changed during the life of the 3rd gen. I used to fit it in the earlier 3rd gens and it was a heavy, felt back mongrel. On the later models the thickness of the rubber changed, and the felt was replaced with foam. A lot lighter and more flexible.

The TH and earlier models had felt glued to the inner roof skin (the good old glue booth at station 5 on the Trim Line), later models had a foam/Dacron pad stuck onto the roof lining. Not as good at insulating and deadening the roof skin.

After the TH cost cutting took hold. Hence why Dave found the NVH levels in his TE to be superior to his TJ.

Thanks Craig your knowledge is invaluable..thankyou for sharing.

So the firewall insulation even it though looks the same..it is not.

So not much I can do about it....cept to advise others thinking of getting a TL-TW that they should try the car on several surfaces and see if they think the roadnoise is a problem before buying.(I bought mine after driving it on a very smooth road surface so didnt pick the noise issue)

Its a shame they did this imo...I was set thinking Id got a decent car (as good as the TJ) ..but now I feel a little bit cheated..not by the seller but by Mitsu's bad idea at saving a few dollars.

So I wonder if these later Magna's are noiser than the 380's or the same ?

Can anyone recommend a tyre that is really good on noise. ?

Cheers

Craig O, did Mitsubishi's cost cutting also include insulation, etc on the Verada models as well?

Cheers

Craig O, did Mitsubishi's cost cutting also include insulation, etc on the Verada models as well?

Cheers

After seeing the amount of sound-deadening in Peter Pans KL Verada, im gonna say it was just limited to the Magnas...

If you want a really quiet tyre, I would recommend the Toyo Teo-Plus. Reasonably priced too.

I was recently looking for 225/55/16 for my TL AWD, and was quoted around $175 each.
Not sure the Turanzas on the OP's TW Solara are 205/65/15 or 215/60/16, but in any case, both would be cheaper than 225/55/16.

I too find the road noise to be quite prominent in my TL, but not intrusive.

The double door seals are another way in which Mitsubishi cut costs in the later cars. To my knowledge, all TE-TH had double door seals, but only KJ's had them. Thereafter, no TL-KL or TW-KW vehicle had double door seals.

Thanks jzt
Im using Sumotomo on my TJ ..I suppose I could swap wheels for a day and see if they are any better..will go for the Toyo next time cheers.

Yes the door seals.....could we replace these ourselves from a salvaged car perhaps !!??

It is hard driving the TJ (nice and quiet) then driving the TW.

I was trying to pinpoint where the noise was coming in and I was sure that the doors had more noise through them...perhaps the seals is it !

Cheers


If you want a really quiet tyre, I would recommend the Toyo Teo-Plus. Reasonably priced too.

I was recently looking for 225/55/16 for my TL AWD, and was quoted around $175 each.
Not sure the Turanzas on the OP's TW Solara are 205/65/15 or 215/60/16, but in any case, both would be cheaper than 225/55/16.

I too find the road noise to be quite prominent in my TL, but not intrusive.

The double door seals are another way in which Mitsubishi cut costs in the later cars. To my knowledge, all TE-TH had double door seals, but only KJ's had them. Thereafter, no TL-KL or TW-KW vehicle had double door seals.

Dashmat for a TW ?

Ive got a dash mat for my TJ....went down to SC thinking Id get one for the TW..but it says on the tag "not suitable for Vehicles with Twin Air Bags" Anyone know if this is correct for the TW...???

The TJ has only one Airbag so no problem.

TIA

Hi coooo, yes, you can easily pull off the double door seals off a wrecked early 3rd gen.

Just make sure you pull off the entire seal (including the double seal), all as one complete unit. The edges may start to fall off, because the glue will give out due to age.

No issue here, just glue it back tightly before you fit it to your car, and you're done :)

Oh, two other sound-deadening things you could do, if you really wanted to :

The very early 3rd gens (TE/KE) I believe had a thicker, heavier boot liner carpet. If you can find one at the wreckers, compare it to a TJ/TL boot floor carpet and you can see that the newer carpet is much lighter.

Also, there is an actual boot carpet trim that goes on the underside of the bootlid itself (standard on xi).

I have installed both the above items and road noise has come down - Not a massive amount, but enough to notice. Thanks DynamiteZerg for his help with sourcing & fitting the parts.

interesting because I love my TW wagon, the only issue is that it has more road noise than I'd like. We also have a 2002 AUIII Futura wagon, and it is quieter.

I'd love to know the quickest/easiest way to cut down noise.

Yes the under-bonnet (as in stuck to the underside of the bonnet) insulation seems quite thin but when I ran a test: the car with about 6 blankets sitting on the bonnet, it made no difference that I could hear.

When I replaced the door speakers I packed as much sound insulation in there as I could fit. Again, I can't tell the difference. And I painted a heap of tar-like stuff on the inside of the wheel-wells, again, no diff that I can hear.

Best way to sound deaden any car I guess would be to strip the interior and lay the whole thing with dynamat.

I'm looking for the easy way..........

I'm looking for the easy way..........

I've found there is no easy way with cars. There's the cheap way, and there's the right way.

I've found there is no easy way with cars. There's the cheap way, and there's the right way.
:yeahthat:

Disciple is wise.

I've found there is no easy way with cars. There's the cheap way, and there's the right way.
Especially with something like sound deadening, I have no idea how you could do that easily. Apart from the outright basics (like the bootlid), any sound deadening requires some disassembly, which is never as easy as it sounds!

Interesting you find your TJ better than the TW on this front though, I've experienced the opposite with my TL. I reckon its quieter than most of the previous models of Magna/Verada I've been in.

Dashmat for a TW ?

Ive got a dash mat for my TJ....went down to SC thinking Id get one for the TW..but it says on the tag "not suitable for Vehicles with Twin Air Bags" Anyone know if this is correct for the TW...???

The TJ has only one Airbag so no problem.

TIA
Yes, it is a problem. The mat will prevent the passenger airbag from deploying properly.
Just like you cant fit seat covers to cars with side airbags that do not have holes for the airbags to come out.

eh? My series 1 TJ has two airbags...

Mitsubishi Veradas KE & F will also have sound deadening matting glued to the inside of all the door trims, behind the C pillars and much thicker carpet for the parcel shelf. I retrofitted the factory sound deadening to my KH. It was quite effective.

You'll get a lot of extra noise through the floor of the dogbox in a wagon. Get a thick rubber mat (or whatever you can get if on a budget ) for the rear and you will hear a difference for sure.

OK, I'll give it a go.

Thanks v.much to all posters..learning lots from peoples experience and knowledge.

The boot carpet is as thin as paper on this Solara TW....and yes perhaps the TJ I have is a bit special...its an 'Si' I dont know if it got a bit extra care in production perhaps ? but it is remarkably quiet compared to most cars.

I might try quietening the TW boot a bit..and yes there is no liner on the boot lid...it all adds up to a noisy car...I wonder what underbody sound deadening is also perhaps absent on the lower end models.
If Id had known this before Id likely have gone looking for a Verada.

I just married up my TJ's dashmat on the TW and it looks to be clear of the Airbag.
Yes seat covers...the TW has those side bags and I had to pay higher dollar for specially stitched seat covers that let go if needed.

I have a fairly-generic dashmat on both TJ (II) and a KJ - both with twin air-bags - and there is no issue of impeding the pasenger bag deploying. One of these was special-order via AutoBarn, but only for purposes of making the interior of my Kj even more BEIGE. If you sit the mat on the dash, and it is clearly nowhere near the passenger airbag module, then you will be sweet.

I find a KJ (series 1) far quieter than a TJ (II) Magna - but the TJ has far more pants-seat Killerwasps cos its a manual...... KJ 4-sp tippy slushbox really takes the edge off the forward-momentum. I have grand plans of sinking a bulk-pack of Dynamat into each of these cars, primarily for sound-deadening, and bought the stuff in group-buy in these Forums, but so far have been too lazy to rip teh cars apart to deploy it (sounds like a nightmare fiddly job, too).

Hi coooo, yes, you can easily pull off the double door seals off a wrecked early 3rd gen.

Just make sure you pull off the entire seal (including the double seal), all as one complete unit. The edges may start to fall off, because the glue will give out due to age.

No issue here, just glue it back tightly before you fit it to your car, and you're done :)

Has anyone re-sealed their later Magna with good results? I too experience some noise issues in the TL which, in part, seem to be coming through the doors. I was hoping dynamat could cure this but perhaps I'm being a little optimistic.

Can someone post a pic of the double door seal described so that I know what I'm looking for if I go hunting at a wreckers?

Thanks,
D

Re zip, definately the weight gain on TL/TW's will show slightly

A few things I have done to my TJ to help with quietening the cabin which you may want to consider doing to your TW.

Dynamatted the doors and rear parcel shelf $220
Carpet underlay beneath the cabin floor carpet and rear seat $50
Thick rubber mat beneath the boot floor carpet $20
Trim from the Verada fitted to my boot lid $70

I found the Dynamat and carpet underlay to be the most effective. Additional benefits were an improvement to the stereo sound and the doors are heavier making more of a thunk sound when closed.

The major problem with the TJ however is the excessive wind noise from the rear c-pillar where that piece of plastic trim meets the rear door. Perhaps double door seals help block some of that noise from entering the cabin. Something to look at I guess.

Has anyone re-sealed their later Magna with good results? I too experience some noise issues in the TL which, in part, seem to be coming through the doors. I was hoping dynamat could cure this but perhaps I'm being a little optimistic.

Can someone post a pic of the double door seal described so that I know what I'm looking for if I go hunting at a wreckers?

Thanks,
D

Yes, I have helped a couple of members retrofit the double seal. Once finding a complete set in good condition, its about 10 mins of work. The double seal is only from the window line downwards following under the plastic door sills. It peels away as a whole and is easy to put back on. Sorry I dont have pics, but even looking at an open door picture on carsales would help you. Or this post: CLICK HERE (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59728&p=1101937&viewfull=1#post1101937)

After completely stripping my interior, I have been able to compare between both a late KJ, a KL, and my old TE.

The TE had thicker boot carpet than everything else with rubber backing and lots of little things like plastic plugs for the boot hinges etc.

The KJ has much thinner, foam for parcel shelf and firewall deadening, no roof deadening at all, thinner footwell deadening and cheaper clips without little rubber rings on them to stop rattles. Even the little foam softeners for the glovebox were gone.

The KL has even less again losing the twin door seals, and assorted deadening foam pads here and there.

The KH, has almost everything the early verada's got, save for the door trim insulation matting- which I added anyway.

But, after reading through a few old magazines that I have, Mitsubishi went through a factory restructure aroung late 99-early 2000. It was forced to cut costs to remain open.

Yes, I have helped a couple of members retrofit the double seal. Once finding a complete set in good condition, its about 10 mins of work. The double seal is only from the window line downwards following under the plastic door sills. It peels away as a whole and is easy to put back on. Sorry I dont have pics, but even looking at an open door picture on carsales would help you. Or this post: CLICK HERE (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59728&p=1101937&viewfull=1#post1101937)

After completely stripping my interior, I have been able to compare between both a late KJ, a KL, and my old TE.

The TE had thicker boot carpet than everything else with rubber backing and lots of little things like plastic plugs for the boot hinges etc.

The KJ has much thinner, foam for parcel shelf and firewall deadening, no roof deadening at all, thinner footwell deadening and cheaper clips without little rubber rings on them to stop rattles. Even the little foam softeners for the glovebox were gone.

The KL has even less again losing the twin door seals, and assorted deadening foam pads here and there.

The KH, has almost everything the early verada's got, save for the door trim insulation matting- which I added anyway.


Thanks for the info and pictures, I now know exactly what these seals look like. Might see if I can source some locally. The other info is very helpful as well, thanks.