WELL FINALLY THE LSD ARRIVED LAST NITE, SO THE CAR WENT ON THE TRAILER TODAY AND I TOOK IT DOWN TO MITSI SPARES TO BEGIN THE TRANSPLANT OPERATION :thumbsup:

HERE'S A COUPLE OF PICCIES OF THE DIFF. I WAS INTERESTED TO FIND OUT THAT THE DIFF IS ACTUALLY AN FTO DIFF :confused:

ANYWAY, IM HANGIN TO GET THE BEAST BACK ON THE ROAD SO HOPEFULLY IT WONT BE TOO MUCH OF A PAIN AND IT WILL BE READY BY THURS NITE.

HERE'S A COU[LE OF PICS

how much for just the unit? and was it from rpw

what?? you arent gonna do the swap over in your driveway?? come on - where's your sense of adventure hahaha

All the best for it!!

Manual

WWWOOOOHHHOOO :thumsup:

Man that unit looks pretty hardcore :D How much did it set you back out of curiosity? Can't wait to see the results.

I remember driving the ralliart a while back and the LSD really made a difference.

When the ralliart first came out they said they sourced the LSD from an FTO. Wasn't sure if it was a direct bolt on replacement.

Let us know how you go ... could be a good upgrade.

so FTO lsd's fit in the magna? wouldnt happen to have a model number would you?

is your caps lock button broken? :P

looks good, but yeah as others have said. how mcuh?

So if it's an FTO diff, and it bolts in...looks like we can just get them instead of having any middleman!

congrats...all the best

AWDmagna's have a rear LSD standard :D ... apparently :)
but i think the rearLSD is from the evo6 maybe.. same as the rest of the drivetrain.

WSDslipless

nice man good to see it back on the rd and did ur van pull it ok next time u go drag racing u can pull up with car trailer and look like a professional dragger now :bowrofl:

Where did you get it from and how much? :D
also how much is it costing you to get it installed.

ok, it aint cheap, thats for sure. ended up costing me $1985 just for the unit itself. installation costs im not sure of but hopefully no more than $500. the mechanic thinks that it possible that i would of cracked the gearbox casing as well so it may cost more :redface: anyway i think the part number said 145FTO or something of the like.

i will definately let everyone know how it all goes. :D

ok, it aint cheap, thats for sure. ended up costing me $1985 just for the unit itself. installation costs im not sure of but hopefully no more than $500. the mechanic thinks that it possible that i would of cracked the gearbox casing as well so it may cost more, anyway i think the part number said 145FTO or something of the like.

i will definately let everyone know how it all goes. :D

Good stuff, love the way your car is turning out :D


congrats...all the best

AWDmagna's have a rear LSD standard .. ... apparently :)
but i think the rearLSD is from the evo6 maybe.. same as the rest of the drivetrain.

WSDslipless

I wonder how much difference a front LSD would make to the AWD as I belive they run open center units :think:

Or maybe the FTO units will not fit due to the hardware for drive to the rears, anyone wanna try? :D because they made a huge diffeence to the EVOs when they were fitted (don't remember witch evo first scored the front LSD)

Shaun your car is joy :thumbsup: Definatly one of the best magna's i've seen, keep up the good work champ.

Man an LSD would help at times. But at 2K eowch that hurts lol Best of luck with the install and hope u don't have any problems.

Wouldn't a Cusco be cheaper? Mind you, only a hundred or so in it.

Wouldn't a Cusco be cheaper? Mind you, only a hundred or so in it.

It looks like it is a CUSCO ... check the first photo! :)

It looks like it is a CUSCO ... check the first photo! :)
Haha! I was going to look at it but forgot. It was just that he's said that it's from an FTO and the Ralliart uses an FTO and others have said that Cusco have one available. I guess they could well be the supplier to Mitsu.

Revelstone2, any chance you could find this out?

sean i have my old gear box and housing here just sittign here if u require it let me know it is whole gear box minus diff we all were goign to blow these manual diffs one day :)

anyone ripped an AWD helli yet????

about time someone did it.
i wont be surprised if the magna is using the evo drivetrain they are known to be very very strong and reliable.
and i guess the only lsb that might fit would be from an FTO or an EVO but then the evo would cost a bomb more.

there is some interesting magnaAWD info here...

http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/newsarticle.html?&start=10&showall=&id=MIT&doc=mit0212041

"The key elements of the drive-line are:

1. The rear Limited Slip Differential is a mechanical plate type, the same as the EVO VI RS (motorsport version). When a speed differential exists between the left and right rear wheels the LSD will distribute torque evenly between the rear wheels.
2. The Transfer Assembly.
- the transfer case is a common case with EVO VI,
- the front differential is an open unit, and is the same as for EVO VI RS and EVO VII,
- the centre differential gives full-time all wheel drive. Its ‘slip’ (or differential action) is limited by a viscous coupling unit (common with EVO VI), which automatically and optimally distributes torque to the front and rear wheels.

This arrangement enhances drive-away acceleration, straight line stability, and manouverability while also enabling outstanding performance on poor road services.

Under normal conditions (when there is almost no speed difference between the front and rear wheels), the centre differential provides 50:50 torque distribution between front and rear. If a speed discrepancy occurs between the front and rear wheels, the VCU limits the differential action of the centre differential so that the front/rear torque distribution is instantly and optimally adjusted.

- The output shaft from theTransfer Box to the rear differential is the same as EVO VI.

A new steering rack and knuckles were required. The rack has different mounting points, and sits higher than on the 2WD car. This meant that the steering knuckles also had to be changed. "

WSDquote

Mitsu say they can't bring out AWD Ralliart because drivetrain couldn't handle it.

So with all those EVO bits in it, where is the weak link? Marketing?:nuts:

hear hear i agree

there is something funny going. EVO's have more grunt and they dont explode when u turn the key. Subura can have awd wrx's and B4's... so why cant we?

WSD :rant:

i also cant see the reason y the awd cant come in manual? it cant b cause its not strong enougg, look at the power going through the TT magna. anyone noe the reason or the bull**** reason?

I know they couldn't make a manual due to a floorpan issue but there were other reasons also.

hmmmm :think: im a bit confused now. apparently the diff isnt from an fto, rather mitsi man took the diff out of the original box to inspect it and then "accidently" put it into another box. but who knows :confused: all im worried about at this stage is getting it back on the road!

hmmmm :think: im a bit confused now. apparently the diff isnt from an fto, rather mitsi man took the diff out of the original box to inspect it and then "accidently" put it into another box. but who knows :confused: all im worried about at this stage is getting it back on the road!

Hmm This is funny, because after looking at the CUSCO website the number LSD 145 F refers to a CUSCO LSD to suit the 6 cylinder FTO manual transmission 1 way, if any LSD will fit a Magna I guess this is the one.

Perhaps Mitsuman doesnt want the biggest secret in the world (well this is the feeling I get) that he can no longer have a strangle hold over who knows which diff would fit a Magna, I mean if someone wanted to push Magna's as a sports car wouldnt you use your knowledge for good rather then for profits?

Mitsuman please inform us what you think.

hmmmm :think: im a bit confused now. apparently the diff isnt from an fto, rather mitsi man took the diff out of the original box to inspect it and then "accidently" put it into another box. but who knows :confused: all im worried about at this stage is getting it back on the road!

That's pretty poor, Why should they hide what you're using. You actually have a legal right to know exactly what part is being supplied to you. No secrets.

I think its bizzar you would swap boxes lol Perhaps it was a mistake, im pretty blind when im working sometimes but there's allways a reason to everything.

hear hear i agree

there is something funny going. EVO's have more grunt and they dont explode when u turn the key. Subura can have awd wrx's and B4's... so why cant we?

WSD :rant:
Cause Subaru engines are little (2.0 -> 2.5 L) and they are only usually 4 cylinders. Notice how Mitsu, Ford, Holden all who have 6 cylinder 3.0 -> 5.0 L engines are all using autos.

i could have my wires crossed guys so dont look into this too much :D but yer it would be nice to know if the diff i got is the one that it says on the box 4sure.

hmmmm :think: im a bit confused now. apparently the diff isnt from an fto, rather mitsi man took the diff out of the original box to inspect it and then "accidently" put it into another box. but who knows :confused: all im worried about at this stage is getting it back on the road!


ROFL!!!!

oh, so he just happened to have another box lying around that had FTO plastered all over it :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

"Please Explain" as pauline would put it :bowrofl:

I am not sure what mitsiman has said.

But: The LSD in the RALLIART is from an FTO, and its NOT A cusco (I stand corrected see below ;)). The RRP for a CUSCO that goes in an FTO is about $1900 if you buy it from Access Performance Distribution.

I think Dave can do it for better than that (talk to him).

If you get it through mitsubishi, they will charge you $2200+

Nothings ever easy hey, Dave?

With the diffs, what's your gut feeling for a Diamante from Japan? The FWD's use an open wheeler one so I'd say it's the same as what we use. That being the case, I'd imagine that they could also use the Cusco one.

Is this diff what controls the final drive ratio or is it something else at the transmission?

Dave, do you think the LSD units could be used in an AWD Magna??? :P

Dave's gota make a profit - just how much is something we will never know lol

But everyone has to be able to understand his side, you can't expect him to give out model numbers etc otherwise no one would go through him. If no one goes through RPW and they decide to pack up and go where the hell are we gonna get our extractors lol

Unfortunatly idiot me tripped and kicked the boxes everywhere on the ground. But because I was paying special attention to the units on the desk, I packed the magna one first and then put it aside I as I repacked the FTO units.



ROFL, I love it, the coverup/coverstory, I mean explaination because it is always much more funny then the real reason.

As you said you are a business, and business to push forward must "waste" money, as you put it into R&D, or in your case outsourcing and plagiarizing. Every company has to put forth money to go into research and testing and this is exhibited in there final product and sometimes ludicrous retail prices.

Where as most companys would be happy to push a certain product to better themselfs and the community you seem to just want profits, if you made carry cases for Apple Ipods, of course you would promote the use and sale of Ipods, because well your whole company rests on its success, but where in reality you are making the cases for the Ipods, but do not care if people buy the Ipods or not.

I'm not big corperate business planner, but wouldnt it make sense to get people into loving magna's and then selling them somthing that only your company could provide? Anyone can get an LSD from Japan, but not just anyone can do somthing that you are providing, but you want to hog everything you can, because in the end you're just interested in a tidy profit.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

ROFL, I love it, the coverup/coverstory, I mean explaination because it is always much more funny then the real reason.

As you said you are a business, and business to push forward must "waste" money, as you put it into R&D, or in your case outsourcing and plagiarizing. Every company has to put forth money to go into research and testing and this is exhibited in there final product and sometimes ludicrous retail prices.

Where as most companys would be happy to push a certain product to better themselfs and the community you seem to just want profits, if you made carry cases for Apple Ipods, of course you would promote the use and sale of Ipods, because well your whole company rests on its success, but where in reality you are making the cases for the Ipods, but do not care if people buy the Ipods or not.

I'm not big corperate business planner, but wouldnt it make sense to get people into loving magna's and then selling them somthing that only your company could provide? Anyone can get an LSD from Japan, but not just anyone can do somthing that you are providing, but you want to hog everything you can, because in the end you're just interested in a tidy profit.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Let me be the first to say:

ooookay :nuts:

Let me be the first to say:

ooookay :nuts:

may I ask why you have come to this conclusion???

Let me be the first to say:

ooookay :nuts:

Every thing Gone.. said made sense, nothing nuts about it. But I also agree with Dave, If I was a buisness I'd also want to make as much profit as I can without being dishonest or dodge, and Dave is neither that I am aware of:D

Every thing Gone.. said made sense, nothing nuts about it. But I also agree with Dave, If I was a buisness I'd also want to make as much profit as I can without being dishonest or dodge, and Dave is neither that I am aware of:D

Well atleast someone understood me, I cannot come and say " Hey If I ran this business I would " because I dont run that sort of business and I am not going to tell someone how to run there business, because well, it is THERE business.

What I am trying to say is that many companys these days think too much about profit, how about you make your profit margins but also do some probono work, I mean I am very sure of it that if Dave helped out the COMMUNITY with the LSD information to help us enjoy our cars more we could inturn say "Thanks Dave you have done us great prevledge and in return will turn to you in the future for modifications, you have helped us, so we will help you."

I have nothing wrong with us not knowing the part number.

BUT Under8d SHOULD be given the number as he has a right to it. He has bought the part. He has every right to know it's origin, date of manufacture, part number, every little bit about it.

I would like to know if he doesn't get the part number, what is on his receipt? And isn't the part number on the LSD itself?

Also I understand Gone's post. It's not as crazy as people might think.

I have nothing wrong with us not knowing the part number.

BUT Under8d SHOULD be given the number as he has a right to it. He has bought the part. He has every right to know it's origin, date of manufacture, part number, every little bit about it.

I would like to know if he doesn't get the part number, what is on his receipt? And isn't the part number on the LSD itself?

Killbilly does raise a good point, If you went out and bought a $50,000 rolex brand watch, but the shop put it in a brown paper bag rather then the original rolex box, wouldnt this upset you? I mean what was the point in buying the Rolex if you dont get the cool box?

If you are buying a product which isnt OEM, dont you by law also have the right to the pretty packaging aswell? Dont you own what you paid for?

Also I understand Gone's post. It's not as crazy as people might think.

Thanks, I'm not crazy, It just might seem like it sometimes.

may I ask why you have come to this conclusion???

Of course you can ask..

<begin rant>
All Dave is doing is trying to get a return on the investment of his time and money that has been spent on finding the right equipment for the job. I ask you to show me an article written on a modified car where the workshop has disclosed every part number and every in-house technique used to get the most out of the car on display. The vast majority keep these so called "trade secrets" to themselves. I don't see that what Dave is doing is any different.

And even if you want to argue that Dave should disclose the part number he's certainly not obliged to. If you don't like the way he does business don't deal with him but he's not doing anything illegal or immoral in the way he's trying to protect his market share. If you really really want the part number then ask one of the other people who've purchased a Cusco LSD for their magnas. There is at least one person on here who has bought one in their own right direct from Cusco who would probably be happy to pass on the part details.

Here's a news flash for you guys - People run businesses to make a profit. Oh no! Dave's out to make money. Duh :nuts:

Of course Dave is an outsourcer. He's a mechanic, not a tuner, not an exhaust manufacturer, not a welder, not a driveline component manufacturer. Where's the problem?

He hasn't plagiurised anything. He's not trying to pass off the concent of an LSD, or the particular LSD component as his own creation. He's not even re-branding it as an RPW manufactured item.

It's also not Dave's job to promote Magna sales. Apart from the fact that he specialises in all mitsubishis, and some proton and hyundai models, not just Magnas.

What Dave is doing though is developing his own design extractors, his own custom turbo kits, and a list of suggested N/A performance mods that have helped people get over 30% more power out of their engines.

Honestly, every time Dave makes a post and says: Guys, guess what! I've spent some time and worked out/found this cool new thing that you can use to go faster/handle better/sound nicer/get better economy, but I'm not going to release all the details, everyone bags the crap out of him. Get over it. It's commercial reality.
</end rant>

I have nothing wrong with us not knowing the part number.

BUT Under8d SHOULD be given the number as he has a right to it. He has bought the part. He has every right to know it's origin, date of manufacture, part number, every little bit about it.

I would like to know if he doesn't get the part number, what is on his receipt? And isn't the part number on the LSD itself?

Also I understand Gone's post. It's not as crazy as people might think.

I agree Under8d should know the part number to, but no one ever suggested he wasn't allowed to know it, did they? If he asks for it and doesn't get it then there's a problem, sure.

I understand Gone's post, I just don't agree with it. Dave's come on the public forum and cleared up a misconception about the LSD being an FTO unit (and explained why..) then follows up saying he's not prepared to say, on a public forum, exactly what model it is, then Gone comes out and attacks him for being an outsourcer and a plagiarizer. That's all I have a problem with.

Fair enough. The part number should've been on the receipt initially...and the right box used in the first place.

I know it sounds like I'm being picky..but when you spend 1000's of bucks on parts for you car...you would want to hope the care is taken to make sure it's in the right box at the very least, and a part number on your receipt.

Gone comes out and attacks him for being an outsourcer and a plagiarizer. That's all I have a problem with.

Can you please be as to kind as to explain where I attacked Dave? I come to a conclusion based on purely what I have read and said if you can correct me please do so, I didnt say "if you think I'm an idiot then say so"

I didnt attack anyone, if you can clear up my post then please do so, I am interested to know, this is just the feeling I get.

And as I said I do not run dave's business, I was just offering suggestions that could make his workshop stand out better towards Aussiemagna and how he could help the community, not as a business but as a Human being. If you had a cure for cancer would you try to profit from it, or be happy to of helped other Humans in need?

Fair enough. The part number should've been on the receipt initially...and the right box used in the first place.

I know it sounds like I'm being picky..but when you spend 1000's of bucks on parts for you car...you would want to hope the care is taken to make sure it's in the right box at the very least, and a part number on your receipt.

That's fair. :cool:

It's also not Dave's job to promote Magna sales. Apart from the fact that he specialises in all mitsubishis, and some proton and hyundai models, not just Magnas.



As I have already explained, wouldnt Dave have an advantage to promote Magna sales, as on a whole this would return to him in a good way because he could sell parts for these Magnas?

This is offtopic but sort of related. Ilford makes photographic paper and now paper for use in modern printers, and it is some of the best, Ilford always promotes Epson printers because at the moment Epson is a world leader in quality printers. Ilford promotes Epson, not for higher profits, they have to commercial gain from it, they simple promote Epson because then users who buy another companys product will get the most out of there own papers.

They want what is best for the customer, now asmuch as Ilford promotes epson, epson doesnt promote Ilford, because simple they do not care, once someone buys one of there printers who gives a rats what quality it provides them with?

There is a little moral to this story, while Ilford gets to gain from there promotion of epson sales, they do in reality, because there customers get the most from there products and in the end there customers will return.

who cares really, im sure if you are willing to spend $2000 on an LSD that you won't mind spending $2050 or $2100 even , knowing that much R&D has gone into it, and that it is the optimal unit for magna's,



as for the people complaining over how dave put it in the wrong box/ didn't tell everyone the part number etc. i suggest.... www.haveacry.com hehehe

Can you please be as to kind as to explain where I attacked Dave? I come to a conclusion based on purely what I have read and said if you can correct me please do so, I didnt say "if you think I'm an idiot then say so"

I didnt attack anyone, if you can clear up my post then please do so, I am interested to know, this is just the feeling I get.

You implied (I'm going to say implied, but I actually think you outright stated it) that rather than performing any R&D, Dave simply gets his ideas from other people and passes them off as his own. This is in reference to your outsourcer/plagiarizer comments. I read that as a fairly defamatory statement.



And as I said I do not run dave's business, I was just offering suggestions that could make his workshop stand out better towards Aussiemagna and how he could help the community, not as a business but as a Human being. If you had a cure for cancer would you try to profit from it, or be happy to of helped other Humans in need?

Interesting you should ask that question. Philosophically, everyone would just give the cure away. In the real world however, the company that invented the cure would patent it and profit from everyone else's licensing fees. Go figure.

And as I said I do not run dave's business, I was just offering suggestions that could make his workshop stand out better towards Aussiemagna and how he could help the community, not as a business but as a Human being. If you had a cure for cancer would you try to profit from it, or be happy to of helped other Humans in need?

Cure for cancer - the reality is even this would be sold for profit.

Besides I don't see any parallel between a cure for cancer and an LSD part number.

I believe Dave has every right offer to sell you a 'Cusco LSD suitable for Magna'... if that is not good enough for you then don't buy it. And if he wants to he can say it's RPW part number 123456!

Hasn't anyone heard of Colonel Sanders secret blend of 11 herbs and spices! lol

who cares really, im sure if you are willing to spend $2000 on an LSD that you won't mind spending $2050 or $2100 even , knowing that much R&D has gone into it, and that it is the optimal unit for magna's,



as for the people complaining over how dave put it in the wrong box/ didn't tell everyone the part number etc. i suggest.... www.haveacry.com hehehe


lol, as I said before...I'm not having a cry I dont get the part number (I own a TR FFS lol!) I was just concerned about under8d not knowing what he bought. Simple :D And yes an RPW part number would be fine ;) Good idea!

Hasn't anyone heard of Colonel Sanders secret blend of 11 herbs and spices! lol

How many herbs an spices in Hot & Spicy? :confused:

Fair enough. The part number should've been on the receipt initially...and the right box used in the first place.

I know it sounds like I'm being picky..but when you spend 1000's of bucks on parts for you car...you would want to hope the care is taken to make sure it's in the right box at the very least, and a part number on your receipt.

couldnt have said it better killbilly! the fact is i have forked out 2 grand to buy something that i dont even know exactly wat it is :confused:

i got the diff thru the south australian rep of rpw and when i said to him "gee, its an fto diff, sure its definately the right one?" he replied "yer i believe so".

when i took it to mitsi spares he asked me a few questions about it "like is this definately the right dif...........blah blah", so i again called the south aussie rep, and thats when he told me the story that dave has told and that he also didnt know exactly wat type of diff it was.

now i can understand daves point of view, but it now means i got no idea wat im putting into my car, i forked out alot of cash and also patiently waited without a car to drive for 2months and if i have any problems i have to go back to dave who lives the other side of the country to sort it out.

in saying all this i havent yet spoken to dave and therefore dont want to make him seem like the "bad guy". so please dont all go jumping to conclusions and flaming him down, it was never my intention to turn this into a bagging dave topic.

Understandable mate. I'm not bagging Dave himself at all. Just a little more time in ensuring everything's right to ship before it's shipped is all that's needed. Just 10 mins to go over everything a second time.

Hasn't anyone heard of Colonel Sanders secret blend of 11 herbs and spices! lol

Its really funny you say that, because as the story goes, and by story I mean real life. Someone moved into the house of the former Colonel Sanders, and after they had purchased the estate which you would assumed the estate, they found a chest in the basement or attic, cannot remember which one. But within they found a dairy assumed to be of Colonel Sanders which included his receipe for the "11 herbs and sprices" Now the KFC corperation was sueing them threatining them not to release what was rightfully in ownership of the new house owners.

Now who is right, because in reality didnt they buy the receipe when they bought the house? who is right and who is wrong?

Its simply one party worried about profits and the other just wanted to share somthing nice.

I think this discussion has gone the full circle now guys.

so lets quit whilst we are ahead, I dont want this turning nasty.

UNDER8D - let us know the outcome, and good luck