I am just curious (not thinking about it for myself) but i wonder if the new INVECS III tiptronic from the new V6 outlander would mate up to a 6G74 magna motor? Its got paddle shifters and works pretty well. I could see it being a very cool mod on an AWD

If your dad buys that Outlander we can borrow it for a weekend :)

Except it is a CVT unit

they are Hopeless

one reason I dont drive a Maxima

Pete, my dad bought it but i dont think hes at the stage to let me drive it yet lol Evo's S-AWC included ...

Mecha, will be interesting to see what its like, only been on a dealership test drive so far.

I also sat in a white Evo 10 with the leather and fell in love

Except it is a CVT unit

they are Hopeless

one reason I dont drive a Maxima

Its a 6 speed auto that goes next to the V6. The 4 cyl has the CVT.

OK I cant stand CVT units

They always feel like a slipping clutch to me. I have no faith in their longevity.

They always feel like a slipping clutch to me. I have no faith in their longevity.

many imports have had major issues with the earlier CVT's with gearboxes dying around the 150,000 not too uncommon

many imports have had major issues with the earlier CVT's with gearboxes dying around the 150,000 not too uncommon

Still longer than most TJ 5spd auto's.... :io:

ahaha so true

OK I cant stand CVT units

*Siiiiighhhhh* You would think Mitsu would have learnt by now. Chains don't go in engines, they worked that out with the 4 banger , but now a gearbox with chains? I would never want one, I would constantly worry about which gear I'm in. lol And a tacho that just sits at the same spot no matter what speed you do? It's unnatural, evil, possessed I tell you!

Dave, AFAIK they run a 6B31 (replaced the 6G7 engines) engine, the bellhousing is completely different from what I have seen.

Yep, the 2010 Outlander runs the 6B31 motor, see here http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/company/information/latest-news/corporate-news/view/mitsubishi-s-2010-my-outlander-aggressive-styling-and-upgraded-features and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_6B3_engine

many imports have had major issues with the earlier CVT's with gearboxes dying around the 150,000 not too uncommon

You got me a Bit Worried there..... My CVT Colt has nearly 130000km.... So far, So Good!!

6B31 Specifications

Engine type — V6 cylinder , 60 degrees, SOHC 24v, MIVEC
Displacement — 2998 cc
Bore — 87.6 mm
Stroke — 82.9 mm
Compression ratio — 9.5:1
Power — 162 kW (220 PS) at 6250 rpm (169 kW / 230 PS from 2010 on)
Torque — 276 N·m (204 ft·lbf) at 4000 rpm (291N·m / 215 ft·lbf from 2010 on)
MIVEC switch — at 4750 rpm

Sounds like a nice engine!

My parents have cvt of their lancer. I have to agree its not for everyone, hahaha but my parents seem to love cause its so smooth. I do appreciate the fuel economy it helps to achieve around 8/100, although manual does slightly better.

For the love of god.

V6 OUTLANDERS DO NOT HAVE A CVT GEARBOX. THEY HAVE A CONVENTIONAL 6 SPEED AUTOMATIC.

Thats why Honda dropped the CVT in the Jazz. Too unreliable and to many warranty claims.
They went back to a converntional Auto.

6B31 Specifications

Engine type -- V6 cylinder , 60 degrees, SOHC 24v, MIVEC
Displacement -- 2998 cc
Bore -- 87.6 mm
Stroke -- 82.9 mm
Compression ratio -- 9.5:1
Power -- 162 kW (220 PS) at 6250 rpm (169 kW / 230 PS from 2010 on)
Torque -- 276 N·m (204 ft·lbf) at 4000 rpm (291N·m / 215 ft·lbf from 2010 on)
MIVEC switch -- at 4750 rpm

Sounds like a nice engine!

It sounds great too, very growly

CVTs to date cannot handle the torque of larger engines. That is why they are generally used on 4cyl cars and not 6cyl cars. However, in saying that, I did read once that I think AUDI has designed a newer CVT where the chains grab on more than one surface to prevent slip in order to handle the extra torque and hence are used on their V6s.

CVTs to date cannot handle the torque of larger engines. That is why they are generally used on 4cyl cars and not 6cyl cars. However, in saying that, I did read once that I think AUDI has designed a newer CVT where the chains grab on more than one surface to prevent slip in order to handle the extra torque and hence are used on their V6s.

However, they use cvt's in all the toyota/lexus hybrids that have massive amounts of torque.

CVT= Combustible Volatile Transmission


Never will touch one, boring as bat shit.

You'll find that their hybrid will mainly drive on the electic motors and will only occasionally use the petrol at the same time. Very different then having all the torque from a v6 all the time. From memory, the torque limit for CVT is around 270Nm.

The electric motor has more torque than the petrol engine. Electric motor is used from take off until around 30-40kmph when the petrol engine kicks in

i read mos tof this thread but has anyone stated the obvious that the outlander is a N/S engine orientation and the magna a W/E? Of ws the question about putting a 3.5L magna motor into the outlander?

i read mos tof this thread but has anyone stated the obvious that the outlander is a N/S engine orientation and the magna a W/E? Of ws the question about putting a 3.5L magna motor into the outlander?

Since when?

Maybe some of those that have made such stupid statements about CVT should get informed about them (including the fact they are not in the V6 Outlanders) this article might help: http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/gearbox/tech_gear_cvt.htm

Using two variables which is best throttle setting vrs most efficient gear ratio means that acceleration is linear regardless if there are 1 adult or 4 in the as it adjusts between the two. Yes it is different from a geared car but it is one hell of a lot smoother and more efficient than a regular Auto. Our X Trail averages 7.9 lt/100 compared to the AWD rarda 11.6/100 and the X-Trail is heavier.

Also having lived with a CVT in a 08 X-Trail T31 since new I can testify that it is an absolute pearler for towing and maintaining velocity when towing my rally car. The tow rating for this little 4cyl is 2tonne and I can testify that it can hold 110 kph with that on the back with out a problem.

i read mos tof this thread but has anyone stated the obvious that the outlander is a N/S engine orientation and the magna a W/E? Of ws the question about putting a 3.5L magna motor into the outlander?

I think you have it confused with the Challenger perhaps?

The electric motor has more torque than the petrol engine. Electric motor is used from take off until around 30-40kmph when the petrol engine kicks in

The toyota hybrid has the following layout: petrol engine <connects to> generator <connects to> fancy planatary gearing <connects to> electric motor <connects to wheels>. They do not have a conventional transmission nor a CVT. What they do have in that combination is a behaviour that is like a CVT. The petrol engine only runs at 5000rpm and the electric motor does not need gears in the conventional sense to drive the wheels. The camry just has an additional electric motor. The fancy planatary gearing allows the system to run in parallel or series. That is, electric only, electric with petrol or petrol only (but only at higher speeds as the petrol engine is electronically controlled to rev only at 5000rpm).

I have an 2.4 4cyl 07 Outlander XLS with CVT with paddle shift and artificial 6spd gates which holds the gear at 6 present revs. I did quiet a lot of research on CVT before buying the outlander.

-lynel-, the Outlander's engine layout, whether it be 4cyl or v6 are W/E layout. The Pajero and perhaps the Challenger and Triton are a N/S layout.

Maybe some of those that have made such stupid statements about CVT should get informed about them (including the fact they are not in the V6 Outlanders) this article might help: http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/gearbox/tech_gear_cvt.htm

Using two variables which is best throttle setting vrs most efficient gear ratio means that acceleration is linear regardless if there are 1 adult or 4 in the as it adjusts between the two. Yes it is different from a geared car but it is one hell of a lot smoother and more efficient than a regular Auto. Our X Trail averages 7.9 lt/100 compared to the AWD rarda 11.6/100 and the X-Trail is heavier.

Also having lived with a CVT in a 08 X-Trail T31 since new I can testify that it is an absolute pearler for towing and maintaining velocity when towing my rally car. The tow rating for this little 4cyl is 2tonne and I can testify that it can hold 110 kph with that on the back with out a problem.

You'll find that the AWD Veradas are heavier than the X-Trail by at least 90kgs in kerb mass. My car has a kerb mass is almost 1700kgs and well over 1700 kgs with the tow pack.

Sorry I should have said MY X Trail is heavier than my KJ which is 1644kg (as it is bog standard) and the standard T31 X-Trail is 1525kg but add to the X Trail a tow pack and water tanks and it quickly becomes heavier besides I'd say the Verada is a little bit more slippery through the air than the slab fronted X Trail which would be pushing a fair bit more air as well.

Less about CVT, and more about fitting the 6spd gearbox to a 6g.

anyone looked further into this yet?