Hi Guys,

Just found out that our friends at RPW are now doing CAMS for the 380. I am thinking about getting some CAMS after I do my exhaust. Would you think the Stage 1 CAMS from RPW would be an ok upgrade from the stock CAMS?

Here is some info.

Price (http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php?page=shop.product_details&product_id=2413&category_id=76&flypage=flypage-ask.tpl&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

More Info (http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=111:camshaft-billets-a-profiles&catid=41:product-technical-data&Itemid=51)

CAM Profiles (http://www.rpw.com.au/Products/Engine%20Components/Camshaft%20Specifications/camspec6g7s24.htm)

EDIT: Just noticed that they are the profiles for the 74 CAMS and not the 75 CAMS.

Cheers
Braedan

Seeing as the Magna and 380 CAMs can be retro fitted (works back and forth between models), it makes sense that you can buy the same billets for the 380 that were on offer for the magna.

That being said, I thought the 380 CAMs were basically the ralliart magna CAMs already, so they're close enough to a stage 1 CAM already no?

That being said, I thought the 380 CAMs were basically the ralliart magna CAMs already, so they're close enough to a stage 1 CAM already no?

Yea, just realised that after i posted the thread up. Stage 2 would be the way to go for the 6g75.

Yea, just realised that after i posted the thread up. Stage 2 would be the way to go for the 6g75.

You'll need to get your ECU tuned :)

You'll need to get your ECU tuned :)

Which is fun and games on 380 with a locked ECU. This is not starting to sound like a viable option.

Which is fun and games on 380 with a locked ECU. ****ers. This is not starting to sound like a viable option.

i think RPW can unlock the ecu, other option is to go a piggy back unit like an adaptronic, haltec or chip-tourqe, ect...

from the stage 1.5 tighe cams that i had that is now in Perry's car, the measurements were very similar to the ralliart/380 cams all but slight differences in exhaust side of things from memory, so anything greater than a stage 1.5 cam from RPW is a higher lift cam and an upgrade of sorts so to speak for the 6G75 motor.

Upgraded 380 cams were discussed at some length in this thread: Update on Magna/380 cams (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70179&highlight=cams)
It's gone quiet because I understand Alan J is crook and his mate Graham is in the US, or vice versa, something like that.
There was also some scepticism about 'proof' that the prototype cams really improved performance etc, which may have put Alan J off somewhat.
Also, AFAIK, RPW cams don't have a great reputation.
It now seems that the bloke to see/ask about 380 cams is Dave TJ, see the last few posts in this thread: 380 forged pistons/rods (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82608).
It also looks like the best way to tune the 380 for 'better' cams is to dump the stock 380 ECU altogether (it can't be flashed and a piggyback ECU apparently doesn't cut the mustard) and replace it with a late 6G74 ECU. Which means adding a 6G74 dizzie as well, so now starting to get a bit complicated & expensive.

I don't see why a piggyback can't be used - it is adjusting the AFRs and it does that successfully. That's all that is going to happen when you put in modified cams.

There is another way to get a 380 ecu that can be flashed...get the US galant ECU...and the wiring loom or schematics to compare...

How keen can one be is the question...lol

Fair to say the DaveTJ method is by far the most readily available solution plus its also a proven and working solution thats is not only fitted to their race cars but also in a few other ordinary looking magnas with the 6G75 block fitted under the hood and making good power.

i think RPW can unlock the ecu, .



Not a hope in hell....no way.

There is another way to get a 380 ecu that can be flashed...get the US galant ECU...and the wiring loom or schematics to compare...

How keen can one be is the question...lol

$754 for Galant 6G75 ECM and $447 for the wiring loom. From RC Hills Mitsubishi USA http://www.rchillmitsubishi.com/parts/order-form.htm.

You know you want to Blackstar! Just buy it! lol

$754 for Galant 6G75 ECM and $447 for the wiring loom. From RC Hills Mitsubishi USA http://www.rchillmitsubishi.com/parts/order-form.htm.

You know you want to Blackstar! Just buy it! lol


And the ignition switch, keys,glovebox locks, door locks, front ecu (wipers lights etc), abs ecu x4, sunroof ecu, etc etc etc etc etc

Not to mention the divorce costs..."your always spending time with the car and not enough with me..." lol

And the ignition switch, keys,glovebox locks, door locks, front ecu (wipers lights etc), abs ecu x4, sunroof ecu, etc etc etc etc etc


Shouldnt the Galant ECM intergrate with the other ECUs in the car? I think MMAL only changed the ECM when developing the 380?




Not to mention the divorce costs..."your always spending time with the car and not enough with me..." lol

If thats the case, get her to help you install a new wiring loom into the car, that way you get to spend quality time with her as well as work on the car. Its a WIN WIN situation lol.

I don't see why a piggyback can't be used - it is adjusting the AFRs and it does that successfully. That's all that is going to happen when you put in modified cams.

Yeah and you can run a shitload more advance aswell. I just hope with whatever piggyback you run it gives you a big scale to advance with. I know on my standard cams I'm running 35deg ATDC on WOT

;1326685']Yeah and you can run a shitload more advance aswell. I just hope with whatever piggyback you run it gives you a big scale to advance with. I know on my standard cams I'm running 35deg ATDC on WOT

This is what confuses me. In theory a piggyback will do the trick, so why do the IPRA guys go the other way and install a 6G74 ECU & ignition system? When you would think that bunging in a piggyback would be much cheaper & easier. I'm guessing it's to do with the IPRA regs, maybe they forbid piggybacks but a full (but 'stock') ECU swap is OK. Dave?

This is what confuses me. In theory a piggyback will do the trick, so why do the IPRA guys go the other way and install a 6G74 ECU & ignition system? When you would think that bunging in a piggyback would be much cheaper & easier. I'm guessing it's to do with the IPRA regs, maybe they forbid piggybacks but a full (but 'stock') ECU swap is OK. Dave?

They don't, these engines are in MAGNA's, those ECU's are already there!

This is what confuses me. In theory a piggyback will do the trick, so why do the IPRA guys go the other way and install a 6G74 ECU & ignition system? When you would think that bunging in a piggyback would be much cheaper & easier. I'm guessing it's to do with the IPRA regs, maybe they forbid piggybacks but a full (but 'stock') ECU swap is OK. Dave?

Also a piggyback only gives you a minute selection of things to alter. Timing and injector ms usually only has a certain range on a piggyback but with a replacement ECU anything and everything is possible. Even on basic replacement ECU's these days's launch and traction control is standard.

I suspect that the ability to reflash the 380 Bosch ecu will come in the not-too-distant future.

Systems for aftermarket re-flashing of Bosch ECUs are commonplace -

ie http://www.kwp2000.info/

You can reflash BMWs, MB, Fiat, VW etc etc etc and it is highly unlikely that the Bosch ECU fitted to the 380 is some special animal that is so different it cannot be cracked.

Does anyone know the bosch part no or ECU model that's in the 380s?

If I can get hold of this info I'll commence talking to the Bosch reflash system manufacturers and see what gives.

i think going off memory the problem that whenever onyone gets inside to have a look around the thing turns into a fairly expensive brick... ie trial and error kills them if you knew the workings from the start i beleive we wouldnt have a problem.

They don't, these engines are in MAGNA's, those ECU's are already there!

Not quite.

AFAIK the IPRA guys rip out the 6G74 and replace it with a 'worked' 6G75, and they take the stock ECU off the 6G75 and replace it with a 6G74 ECU (and ignition system - dizzy etc), and then flash tune the ECU (I'm guessing by Steve Knight). So I'm wondering why they do this instead of just retaining the stock 380 ECU and adding a piggyback to it. Maybe the IPRA regs specify that they must retain the original ECU (but it can be flashed) or they can't use a piggyback, that's what I'm trying to find out. Put another way, for us 380 owners that are looking for a bit more NA get up and go, and are considering after market cams, do we really need to go to the trouble of fitting a 6G74 ECU etc, or will the stock ECU + a piggyback (I already have a Chiptorque Xede fitted) do the job? I'd much rather retain my current ECU & piggyback if I could.

I believe Dan (White) fitted aftermarket cams to his 380 (RIP!) and I know he had a Chiptorque Xede fitted, but apparently the cams didn't work all that well and didn't give anything like the results expected/hoped for. So was this down to the cams themselves being unsuitable or no good, or was it down to the Xede not being up to the task or being 'stymied' by the stock ECU? I vaguely recall an explanation that the stock ECU kept re-adjusting things despite the Xede & cancelling out the benefits of the cams. Dan?

Not quite.

AFAIK the IPRA guys rip out the 6G74 and replace it with a 'worked' 6G75, and they take the stock ECU off the 6G75 and replace it with a 6G74 ECU (and ignition system - dizzy etc), and then flash tune the ECU (I'm guessing by Steve Knight). So I'm wondering why they do this instead of just retaining the stock 380 ECU and adding a piggyback to it. Maybe the IPRA regs specify that they must retain the original ECU (but it can be flashed) or they can't use a piggyback, that's what I'm trying to find out. Put another way, for us 380 owners that are looking for a bit more NA get up and go, and are considering after market cams, do we really need to go to the trouble of fitting a 6G74 ECU etc, or will the stock ECU + a piggyback (I already have a Chiptorque Xede fitted) do the job? I'd much rather retain my current ECU & piggyback if I could.

I believe Dan (White) fitted aftermarket cams to his 380 (RIP!) and I know he had a Chiptorque Xede fitted, but apparently the cams didn't work all that well and didn't give anything like the results expected/hoped for. So was this down to the cams themselves being unsuitable or no good, or was it down to the Xede not being up to the task or being 'stymied' by the stock ECU? I vaguely recall an explanation that the stock ECU kept re-adjusting things despite the Xede & cancelling out the benefits of the cams. Dan?

The XEDE you have seem's to be able to cope with full fuel and igntion changes. I don't see why you couldnt just get a re-tune with it What cams did Daniel have? What were they suited for and what was his tune like? many things...

As Blackstar and a few others have mentioned you CANNOT just put in a 74 ECU as it has the integrated CANBUS system. So the ECU needs to be seen in order for things to talk to each other.

If you put the magna ecu in a 380 you won't even be able to open the doors of the car...lol

I suspect that the ability to reflash the 380 Bosch ecu will come in the not-too-distant future.

Systems for aftermarket re-flashing of Bosch ECUs are commonplace -

ie http://www.kwp2000.info/

You can reflash BMWs, MB, Fiat, VW etc etc etc and it is highly unlikely that the Bosch ECU fitted to the 380 is some special animal that is so different it cannot be cracked.

Does anyone know the bosch part no or ECU model that's in the 380s?

If I can get hold of this info I'll commence talking to the Bosch reflash system manufacturers and see what gives.

If you have a look in the 380 encyclopaedia thread...I bought one just to pull apart....the photos are there...



just proves that people don't look at the stickied threads...lol

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71272&page=3

I believe Dan (White) fitted aftermarket cams to his 380 (RIP!) and I know he had a Chiptorque Xede fitted, but apparently the cams didn't work all that well and didn't give anything like the results expected/hoped for. So was this down to the cams themselves being unsuitable or no good, or was it down to the Xede not being up to the task or being 'stymied' by the stock ECU? I vaguely recall an explanation that the stock ECU kept re-adjusting things despite the Xede & cancelling out the benefits of the cams. Dan?

This is where we need to investigate. We need some info from White re
1. What cams did he fit?
2. What issues came up with the ECU?
From advice I got from a friend who has done this sort of work with Fords - auto owners have to be a lot more careful with cams. One of the issues is the lumpy idle. If the idle is too unstable the ECU will try and adjust the speed and richness and it ends up in an overspeed cycle where the idle creeps up to 2000rpm then drops back almost cutting out and then back to 2000rpm etc.

This is where we need to investigate. We need some info from White re
1. What cams did he fit?
2. What issues came up with the ECU?
From advice I got from a friend who has done this sort of work with Fords - auto owners have to be a lot more careful with cams. One of the issues is the lumpy idle. If the idle is too unstable the ECU will try and adjust the speed and richness and it ends up in an overspeed cycle where the idle creeps up to 2000rpm then drops back almost cutting out and then back to 2000rpm etc.

I am pretty sure Dan didn't get a chiptorque but a haltech to replace the whole ecu. Had issues with the haltech due to there being no mappings for the crank angle sensor. He used the stock 6g75 ecu running aftermarket cams. There were issues with cels and pinging etc at idle.

I am pretty sure Dan didn't get a chiptorque but a haltech to replace the whole ecu. Had issues with the haltech due to there being no mappings for the crank angle sensor. He used the stock 6g75 ecu running aftermarket cams. There were issues with cels and pinging etc at idle.

Yep, Dan tried a Haltech first, but I'm pretty sure he then replaced it with an Xede (because as you say the Haltech couldn't handle the crank angle sensor).

C'mon Dan, where are you, we need you to set us straight on this!