Hi all
Have just joined AMC and seen some fantastic car. I was hoping to get some advice . My car is the following
2005 GTVi AWD with 100k on the clock, the other day the gear box was hunting for gears, there was a whineing sound. I took it to the Mitsa dealer where the car has been service for the last 3 year( since I owned the Car) . Was told the gear box was completely stuffed and would need a replacement!!!!
Cost for new Gear box 6,100 dollars. Cost for Exchange gearbox 2600 dollars with 3 months warrenty.
Is the GTVi 5 speed gearbox that bad that after 100k it just dies? ATM the car cant be moved and they are placing pressure on me to get them to do work or get the car TOWED away.
Any suggestions would be grateful .
cheers
Busted gearbox.

PM Madmagna, he may have a spare 5sp. Although, he is in victoria, but just ask him

1) get the car towed home FAR FAR AWAY FROM A MITSU DEALER
2) Ring up mitsubishi Wreckers. AWD's are not that common persay but there plenty of gearboxes out there.
3) get a local mechanic to install for you. not a hard job.

Thanks for the Replys Gents, does anyone know of a good mech to work on Mitsu in the Sydney Area. Willing to travel for a good one.

;1328159']1) get the car towed home FAR FAR AWAY FROM A MITSU DEALER
2) Ring up mitsubishi Wreckers. AWD's are not that common persay but there plenty of gearboxes out there.
3) get a local mechanic to install for you. not a hard job.

agreed with all of these.

Mitsubishi is the last place you want it

Apparently the wave spring can break in these. I'd be sourcing a 2nd hand unit, but have it checked to see if it has the upgraded spring and changing it if not. Yeah its all extra $s though.
Dont think any of the AWD's on here have had this problem.
Regular full flush & trans cooler is worth it to. I wonder how many flushes' yours has had in 100k?

Hi all
Have just joined AMC and seen some fantastic car. I was hoping to get some advice . My car is the following
2005 GTVi AWD with 100k on the clock, the other day the gear box was hunting for gears, there was a whineing sound. I took it to the Mitsa dealer where the car has been service for the last 3 year( since I owned the Car) . Was told the gear box was completely stuffed and would need a replacement!!!!
Cost for new Gear box 6,100 dollars. Cost for Exchange gearbox 2600 dollars with 3 months warrenty.
Is the GTVi 5 speed gearbox that bad that after 100k it just dies? ATM the car cant be moved and they are placing pressure on me to get them to do work or get the car TOWED away.
Any suggestions would be grateful .
cheers
Busted gearbox.

I pressume you are the second owner which means the 10 year 150K km drivetrain warranty is gone. Has the trans been serviced at all? If you have the log book and service papers, look through it and see what they used for the trans fluid. Just because it was serviced at a mitsubishi dealer, does not mean they used the proper fluid (especially those multi-make dealers). If they used the wrong fluid, I'd be challenging the dealer to get it replaced.

Just remember mate that the AWD gearbox is different to the FWD box. State that to a wrecker or spare parts person when looking for one.
The AWD box is meant to be fairly bulletproof. Could be wrong but have heard that they have EVO internals. Anyone confoirm this?

Had exactly the same thing happen gearbox acted the same way and it was the brake light fuse (65cents) which had blown after towing a trailer with a shorting wire. Check the fuses and get it out of the Mitsubishi dealer ASAP.

I'm just about to tick over 180,000 and still runs like new. Like usual, make sure you keep up your tranny flushes every 40,000.

I'm adding an in-line filter to mine this week!

I agree with Tuffy, if you dont want to spend twice what the car is worth, take it away from Mits

Ian at Eddy Wreckers may have a trans, same with Mitsibits I think they are called in SA and perhaps at a stretch (more expensive by far) is Imlachs here in Vic. They are not expensive to ship if you use E-Go couriers

Either way, they will need the numbers of the trans as there were a couple different transmissions in these AWD models.

As for failure, the AWD trans in my experience is less likely to fail however if not cared for anything can happen. As they are a lot less common they will be more expensive, I would not part with one for less than $2500 if I had one knowing that wreckers will even pay that amount if they need one themselves.

have u called mitsubishi customer service? if its just out of warranty they will usually come to some agreement like paying 1/2 the cost. i know with ford they will supply the part for free as long as its installed by a dealer and u pay the labour.

Still don't get it why are you all pursuing the expensive when it probably a fuse?? Just had the same thing with a CVT Lancer again Mitsubishi are busy organising a new CVT until I asked them to check the fuses, this time it was a reverse light fuse. KISS until you know better. My guess this is exactly what has happen as he hasn't posted since.

Does anyone know why "Lawfodder" isn't on the membership list??? Do we have spooks on this group?

Hey mate i recently had my gearbox reconditioned after a wave spring failure and a couple of other components. Its is the FWD box though. The place i used did a fantastic job and it was no where near as much as mitsu wants, the place is at Blacktown send me a PM if your interested.

have u called mitsubishi customer service? if its just out of warranty they will usually come to some agreement like paying 1/2 the cost. i know with ford they will supply the part for free as long as its installed by a dealer and u pay the labour.In my experience, that's just not so. A few months ago, my TW harmonic balancer died when the car was barely 12 days out of warranty and Mitsubishi wasn't the least bit interested in it. This, despite the fact the car had had almost all it's services done by Mitsubishi, etc, etc. Didn't help that there wasn't a new harmonic balancer to be had from any Mistubishi source in Australia, either. Ended up buying a 2nd-hand one from a wrecker and paid $55 instead of the $650 Mitsubishi wanted for the one they couldn't supply.

In my experience, that's just not so. A few months ago, my TW harmonic balancer died when the car was barely 12 days out of warranty and Mitsubishi wasn't the least bit interested in it. This, despite the fact the car had had almost all it's services done by Mitsubishi, etc, etc. Didn't help that there wasn't a new harmonic balancer to be had from any Mistubishi source in Australia, either. Ended up buying a 2nd-hand one from a wrecker and paid $55 instead of the $650 Mitsubishi wanted for the one they couldn't supply.

Isn't the harmonic balancer part of the engine and drive train which has the 10 year warranty?

Isn't the harmonic balancer part of the engine and drive train which has the 10 year warranty?

The 10 year warranty only applies to the original owner. I bought mine 2nd-hand (from a Mistubishi Dealer). To make matters worse, the car had apparently been 'pre-registered' some 6 months before the first owner bought it, so the warranty lapsed that much earlier than the ownership records in the log book suggested. So I got 'done' on two counts - 6 months less warranty than I thought I had and an uninterested Mitsubishi Australia (to whom the log-book records were supplied as part of my attempted warranty claim).

The AWD gearbox is a F5A51 or F4A51,depending if its 5 speed or 4 speed,they are internally the same as a normal FWD VERADA box the only difference is the outer case so the transfer case can bolt up to it.
Recoing them is no big deal as the parts are readily available,the R & R cost is a little higher because of the extra time to remove the transfer case. A good trans shop should handle it easy as.

The AWD gearbox is a F5A51 or F4A51,depending if its 5 speed or 4 speed,they are internally the same as a normal FWD VERADA box the only difference is the outer case so the transfer case can bolt up to it.

All AWDs are 5 speed, and the box is designated W5A51.

Yeah and i have heard that the internsals are all evo and not magna componentry.

Yeah and i have heard that the internsals are all evo and not magna componentry.

correct, bits pulled from the auto Mitsubishi Evo GTA

All AWDs are 5 speed, and the box is designated W5A51.

There's also quite a few different variations of the W5A51 with different suffixes (W5A51xxxx). Used in evos, galant, galant facelifts, JDM diamantes etc. They have different orientations, mounting faces, and final drives.

Put F not W,Type-O, my bad. But all i was trying to point out that the parts are readily available,and as im sure as happened to us all there are a few not nice repairers out there.
Recently i repaired the next door neighbors parents GTVI, Wave spring (in mitsu system:principle model DB-380),also changed the lock and shift solenoid whick came in a Hyundai box with a Mitsi part number on it, they were told it was the torque convertor,the repair cost $120 for the parts and $50 for some oil, not box and transfer out and $1500+,this was the point i was tying to make.
Then i a month later my box played up,lock and shift solenoid,which i changed.For the record VR-4, W5A51, no OWC.

Put F not W,Type-O, my bad. But all i was trying to point out that the parts are readily available,and as im sure as happened to us all there are a few not nice repairers out there.
Recently i repaired the next door neighbors parents GTVI, Wave spring (in mitsu system:principle model DB-380),also changed the lock and shift solenoid whick came in a Hyundai box with a Mitsi part number on it, they were told it was the torque convertor,the repair cost $120 for the parts and $50 for some oil, not box and transfer out and $1500+,this was the point i was tying to make.
Then i a month later my box played up,lock and shift solenoid,which i changed.For the record VR-4, W5A51, no OWC.

You say you replaced teh wave spring and you did not take the box out, even if this was possible what about all the broken wave spring parts floating around inside the transmission let alone any damage done to the oil pump???

Also be aware guys, you need to match ALL the numbers exactly as there are a couple different systems from the J to the L to the W and you will need to make sure you have the exact trans for replacement

The wave spring had not failed it was a damper clutch issue,the symtoms were dcc judder at 1200-1500 revs/slip in 5th convertor unlocked,change down manually,slip disappeared. Symtoms of a faulty torque convertor with lining coming off the internals,BUT,no burnt oil,no slip under load,no flairing,positive shifts.
He had helped me a few months ago to change my wave spring,i told him why,so he thought that it might be good insurance on his so we did whilst we where there,his was cracked,but, thankfully in 1 piece.
He has a One Way Clutch (OWC) clearly marked on his casing near his serial number,my box does not have it.
You are right about the pump letting go once the wave spring breaks,and the bits get into it,it would create such a problem if the filter was a better design.

guys , sort of on topic , but where is the AWD transmission serial number located exactly ? . we're going to need a new sump for ours ( dented , leaking ) so need to start chasing one up. i'm hoping its same sump as FWD.

looking at the one here I have it looks the same as the FWD unit so you should be fine there, ahve not tried to put one on so providing all the bolts line up which I can not see why they would not should be easy

thanks Mal , i'll give you a call shortly

Hi all
Have just joined AMC and seen some fantastic car. I was hoping to get some advice . My car is the following
2005 GTVi AWD with 100k on the clock, the other day the gear box was hunting for gears, there was a whineing sound. I took it to the Mitsa dealer where the car has been service for the last 3 year( since I owned the Car) . Was told the gear box was completely stuffed and would need a replacement!!!!
Cost for new Gear box 6,100 dollars. Cost for Exchange gearbox 2600 dollars with 3 months warrenty.
Is the GTVi 5 speed gearbox that bad that after 100k it just dies? ATM the car cant be moved and they are placing pressure on me to get them to do work or get the car TOWED away.
Any suggestions would be grateful .
cheers
Busted gearbox.


I had a similar issue with my TL AWD..
For a day or so there was a strange whining sound coming from the trans then out of no where a snap and that was it... dead =[

Turns out something in the underdrive snapped and sent metal through the entire box, all gears, clutches bands and such were shot..

I have a mate who re-builds transmissions so i got it to him and he managed to find the parts required to re-build..
The gear set alone was worth a few thousand and was apparently the last in Aus at the time.
Start to finish i payed just shy of 5k to get her back on the road with all new internals..

Dont just let anyone play with these transmissions they are a pain in the arse (my mate showed me a breakdown) if they havnt worked on one before, took him about 20hrs labour to rebuild and he has been working on transmissions for about 15 years..

Its a pain in the arse, but in your position i would either find someone to rebuild or just replace, DO NOT GO SECOND HAND!!!
Apparently there is a flaw in the design to the AWD box and if driven enthusiastically this problem can occur..

At the time i was also told in order to prevent this happening again, to install a heavy duty trans cooler and make sure the trans is serviced religiously!!

Hope some of this has helped with your decision, sorry to hear about what happened, I really do know your pain =[

Good luck mate :)

Well I joined the massive AWD transmission failure club before Xmas.
Just had a new exhaust fitted, driving home, third gear sounded strange.
Did a gentle downshift the 3rd, bit of a clunk.
Went out later in the evening to see what the exhaust was like at 100 to 100 kph.
Came out of a mini roundabout in a 50 limit area at about 20kph.
transmission changed to third, massive clang, huge drag in transmission - stuffed!!

Got box out to the guys in Blacktown who did Apricot Rocket's box.

3rd gear, planetary gear and wave washer goneski. Thakfully rubbish was only in filter and did not go any further.
Now have the transmission back fully reconditioned sitting on a milk crate in the garage until my mechanic is back from Xmas holiday.

Gerry

I had a similar issue with my TL AWD..
For a day or so there was a strange whining sound coming from the trans then out of no where a snap and that was it... dead =[

Turns out something in the underdrive snapped and sent metal through the entire box, all gears, clutches bands and such were shot..

I have a mate who re-builds transmissions so i got it to him and he managed to find the parts required to re-build..
The gear set alone was worth a few thousand and was apparently the last in Aus at the time.
Start to finish i payed just shy of 5k to get her back on the road with all new internals..

Dont just let anyone play with these transmissions they are a pain in the arse (my mate showed me a breakdown) if they havnt worked on one before, took him about 20hrs labour to rebuild and he has been working on transmissions for about 15 years..

Its a pain in the arse, but in your position i would either find someone to rebuild or just replace, DO NOT GO SECOND HAND!!!
Apparently there is a flaw in the design to the AWD box and if driven enthusiastically this problem can occur..

At the time i was also told in order to prevent this happening again, to install a heavy duty trans cooler and make sure the trans is serviced religiously!!

Hope some of this has helped with your decision, sorry to hear about what happened, I really do know your pain =[

Good luck mate :)

Sorry but that advice is poo.
1) you spent $5000.
2) A 2nd hand box would be, what? $1000?
3) This fatal flaw you talk about is the wave spring issue. So, what you would do is, Buy said 2nd hand transmission, and take it to go and get the wave spring replaced.
4) That might cost $500 total (as described above on how easy it is to do if the spring is still in one piece) and voila, you've just saved $3500.

Or, spend $5000 on a rebuild everytime.

Well I joined the massive AWD transmission failure club before Xmas.
Just had a new exhaust fitted, driving home, third gear sounded strange.
Did a gentle downshift the 3rd, bit of a clunk.
Went out later in the evening to see what the exhaust was like at 100 to 100 kph.
Came out of a mini roundabout in a 50 limit area at about 20kph.
transmission changed to third, massive clang, huge drag in transmission - stuffed!!

Got box out to the guys in Blacktown who did Apricot Rocket's box.

3rd gear, planetary gear and wave washer goneski. Thakfully rubbish was only in filter and did not go any further.
Now have the transmission back fully reconditioned sitting on a milk crate in the garage until my mechanic is back from Xmas holiday.

Gerry


Wish i was that lucky!! haha

Mine died on a major intersection at 5pm on my way to my mates shop (mechanic)
And with mine everything was shot, when they dropped out the trans the mechanic managed to half fill a 1lt bucket with metal shavings..

Guess if im gunna f*** something up i do it right :p

A worthwhile tip for anyone having their trans opened up, is to have the 3 pins that hold the planetary gearset carrier tig welded into position. These coming lose is another problem that can occur with our transmissions.

;1351529']Sorry but that advice is poo.
1) you spent $5000.
2) A 2nd hand box would be, what? $1000?
3) This fatal flaw you talk about is the wave spring issue. So, what you would do is, Buy said 2nd hand transmission, and take it to go and get the wave spring replaced.
4) That might cost $500 total (as described above on how easy it is to do if the spring is still in one piece) and voila, you've just saved $3500.

Or, spend $5000 on a rebuild everytime.

First of all good luck finding a second hand box for these..
TL AWD boxes are rare as hens teeth, and anyone who has one knows this.
Therefore they will be more expensive..
Cheapest i found was about $2500 for the box alone (and the car had done 120***Kms), then i had to pay someone remove and refit (quoted about $900).
In the end to be exact i payed about $4500 inc towing and other minor things..
Id rather a brand new reco'd box with better than original parts (heavy duty bands and clutches and a new torque converter too) for $4500 than paying $3500 for a used and lets be honest most likely flogged box from a wreck..

Cheapest i found was about $2500 for the box alone (and the car had done 120***Kms), then i had to pay someone remove and refit (quoted about $900).
In the end to be exact i payed about $4500 inc towing and other minor things..
Id rather a brand new reco'd box with better than original parts (heavy duty bands and clutches and a new torque converter too) for $4500 than paying $3500 for a used and lets be honest most likely flogged box from a wreck..

Damn, I sold my W5A51 in full working order with 70k on the clock for $850. Woops.:headbange

First of all good luck finding a second hand box for these..
TL AWD boxes are rare as hens teeth, and anyone who has one knows this.
Therefore they will be more expensive..
Cheapest i found was about $2500 for the box alone (and the car had done 120***Kms), then i had to pay someone remove and refit (quoted about $900).
..


I got a TL AWD box complete with transfer case and driveshafts for $1500 from....Imlachs in melbourne.

I got a TL AWD box complete with transfer case and driveshafts for $1500 from....Imlachs in melbourne.

He obviously didn't search hard enough, $2500 for an AWD trans I knew that figure was over inflated.

Hi all
Is the GTVi 5 speed gearbox that bad that after 100k it just dies? ATM the car cant be moved and they are placing pressure on me to get them to do work or get the car TOWED away.
Busted gearbox.

in answer to this question, yes, magna automatic gearboxes fail all the time

All these experiences, I need some advice..........I have just been told that the shuddering I am experiencing in the TL AWD when driving at 1500 - 1800 rpm 4th to 5th gear is terminal and the box needs to come out and be totally reconditioned! I see that there is likely no inexpensive solution to this situation. Can any of you gents recommend a good knowledgeable Magna man to take my car to in Melbourne - I'm in the south eastern suburbs. Any constructive suggestions gladly accepted!

Sounds more like the Universal Joints in the tail-shaft, quickest way to test is to note the vibration as you accelerate to the 1500 to 1800 rpm and take your foot off the accelerator if vibration is still there it is the Uni joints, if not it is probably something more expensive.

All these experiences, I need some advice..........I have just been told that the shuddering I am experiencing in the TL AWD when driving at 1500 - 1800 rpm 4th to 5th gear is terminal and the box needs to come out and be totally reconditioned! I see that there is likely no inexpensive solution to this situation. Can any of you gents recommend a good knowledgeable Magna man to take my car to in Melbourne - I'm in the south eastern suburbs. Any constructive suggestions gladly accepted!

Maate,
Madmagna is here in VIC send him a PM & ask him if he can have a look at it or call him on his mitsfix number 0428105282

Cheers

Sounds more like the Universal Joints in the tail-shaft, quickest way to test is to note the vibration as you accelerate to the 1500 to 1800 rpm and take your foot off the accelerator if vibration is still there it is the Uni joints, if not it is probably something more expensive.

Thanks, I tried this and when it happens I change down - thus raising the revs - and no more vibration, no issue or noticeable vibration otherwise.........................

Thanks, I tried this and when it happens I change down - thus raising the revs - and no more vibration, no issue or noticeable vibration otherwise.........................
why did you change down for. you are meant to keep it in the same gear but not accelerate.

why did you change down for. you are meant to keep it in the same gear but not accelerate.

Vlad, I appreciate it reads like I did the wrong thing, but if I accelerate in the same gear the vibration only turns into an outright shudder, so backing off the accelerator completely or changing back down a gear are the two easiest ways to avoid the shudder at the time.

Got your PM mate, will be ok to have a look when you are ready, I would suggest to not drive too much at this stage until issue is sorted as the AWD boxes are not easy to find or repair

So mine has been flaring just a little bit between 2nd and 3rd when I give it some stick.

I took it for a fairly harsh ride last night and it was actually clunking into 3rd when it was revved out to above 5000rpm before I changed.

What do you guys think? Just pushing it too hard or is there possibly something wrong?

Would a decent flush by a mech. and an external tranny cooler help do you think?

A full transmission flush do wonders for Magna boxes. Should be done when due even if shifts are smooth.
Would be a good start mate. Just make sure they do a full flush and not just a sump drain and re-fill.

So mine has been flaring just a little bit between 2nd and 3rd when I give it some stick.

I took it for a fairly harsh ride last night and it was actually clunking into 3rd when it was revved out to above 5000rpm before I changed.

What do you guys think? Just pushing it too hard or is there possibly something wrong?

Would a decent flush by a mech. and an external tranny cooler help do you think?

I got a PWR tranny cooler on mine and flush every 10k and is always smooth as silk in normal and hard driving. Well worth doing.

So mine has been flaring just a little bit between 2nd and 3rd when I give it some stick.

I took it for a fairly harsh ride last night and it was actually clunking into 3rd when it was revved out to above 5000rpm before I changed.

What do you guys think? Just pushing it too hard or is there possibly something wrong?

Would a decent flush by a mech. and an external tranny cooler help do you think?

Pete, + 1 for the full flush I get mine done every 35-40 thousand and it makes the transmission very happy. (Oh and only with Mitsubishi transmission fluid). Get the centre and rear diffs done at the same time.

Pete, + 1 for the full flush I get mine done every 35-40 thousand and it makes the transmission very happy. (Oh and only with Mitsubishi transmission fluid). Get the centre and rear diffs done at the same time.

centre diff is in the transmission so itll get done with the tranny flush.. i think you mean the front diff/transfer case..

only stating this so ppl dont get confused and put wrong oils in the wrong places....

For info, and with thanks to Madmagna Mal, A dose of this stuff called shudder fix for $25 has almost completely removed the shuddering. Mal has done another trans flush and fitted a trans cooler and filter and I couldn't be happier, considering the alternatives (minimum a new torque converter, worst case big $$$). Thanks to Mal for his help with this, anyone in Melbourne who needs Magna advice/service should definitely look him up.