I was wondering how hard it would be to alter the Cold-Air-Intake in a TF Magna to accommodate a pod filter?

I know you can't put one straight into the engine bay as it will just be sucking hot air, so you need to make sure it gets cold, clean air.
How exactly do you do this? and is the pod filter hidden from view when it is done, or is it clearly visible?

I was wondering how hard it would be to alter the Cold-Air-Intake in a TF Magna to accommodate a pod filter?

I know you can't put one straight into the engine bay as it will just be sucking hot air, so you need to make sure it gets cold, clean air.
How exactly do you do this? and is the pod filter hidden from view when it is done, or is it clearly visible?

Stock magnas have a CAI? Im pretty sure its just an inlet tract dude.

A pod can be accomodated inside quite easily by getting a paper filter and cutting the guts out of it and mounting the pod within using an adapter plate. Some pods might be too big though to fit inside

cold clean air via a cold air intake will do sweet **** all for your engine performance and sound.
Also, search, this is the most talked about topic on the whole internet.

Im gonna go to WSID to test the theory out, to see if my cold air intake (ducted to in front of passenger wheel will actually do anything to increase performance)

;1334254']cold clean air via a cold air intake will do sweet **** all for your engine performance and sound.
Also, search, this is the most talked about topic on the whole internet.

Cai (rpw style) makes a huge difference to the sound. There is induction roar and noticeable deepening of the exhaust note.

Perfomance wise? Big can of worms to be opened up there. There really is bugger all difference to be noticed.

Performance wise, hydrolock anyone? lol

;1334254']cold clean air via a cold air intake will do sweet **** all for your engine performance and sound.
Also, search, this is the most talked about topic on the whole internet.


;1334269']Performance wise, hydrolock anyone? lol

Massive performance change there lol!

Stick with the standard paper filter.

I have trialled a K &N panel filter and lost torque. Pods from what I have read on these forums are worse for the flat spot.

I know of one respected and knowledgeable member, who I have recently spoken too said the same thing, which was proven to him on the dyno at SKR.

In short stick with the standard filter, but by all means if you wish, trail different positions with air pickup, flexible piping to bumper???.

I disagree, K&N panel makes engine more responsive down low & that is in my 4 speed auto. Every time i would put paper filter back in while servicing K&N, paper would make car feel more sluggish down low.

Alright, so I gather this:
- no CAI (my bad)
- paper filters are pretty good
- pod-filters give a good induction sound, but will lose performance if they suck in hot air from engine bay

I now move onto my next point.
How do you create a CAI with a pod filter? I searched it then, but couldn't find a coherent post :D

If I can figure out how to do it right, then I'll probably create a proper DIY write-up for it. So if we all put in a little bit here, hopefully in the future doing this will be a lot easier :D

Bunnings plumbing section, buy some PVC piping if suitable diameter & 2 90 degree rubber turns with some clamps. Then you will need adapter that will mount onto MAF sensor when you take you filter box out. The idea is to duct right down between the radiator & the gearbox. Once you have your piping down make 90 degree turn to infront of passenger wheel & mount your pod there.

So you mount adapter onto MAF, pipe onto adapter and then pod filter at end of pipe in front of passenger wheel?

Go have a look at autospeed.com, they have a number of different options.

Ill take a photo of my engine bay when i finish work. But yes you got the idea.

I had a pod filter bolted straight in to the engine bay and it sounded great and didn't affect the performance of the car at all.

I know have a full RPW CAI set-up (at big expense) and to be honest, i can't see a difference in sound or performance.

To do it again, i would just bolt in the pod straight to the MAF sensor and leave it at that.

I have my pod and adaptor for sale if you like.

Would bolting the pod straight on be harmful in any way to the engine?
Because to be honest, I'm not hugely interested in performance, I just really like the sound it makes and if I have to listen to something whilst I drive, might as well sound good :D

If I was going to bolt it on, I'd probably cut out my paper filter and house it in the box, just so it's not totally exposed.

Also, what does RPW mean? :D

RPW is a shop. Google it.
Zero performance gain. Sounds sweeet. It's not going to suck up water unless you're an idiot

RPW is a shop. Google it.
Zero performance gain. Sounds sweeet. It's not going to suck up water unless you're an idiot

You'd think that until you get torrential rain one week and need to drive your car at more then 5km/h everywhere, happened soooooooooo many times on here.

As I said, not really going for performance. More for the sound.
I'm technically not allowed to have any performance modifications, so it probably wouldn't be a good idea either :D

pods are illegal mods anyway. (if they can see them) i found on my te it did change the induction noise alot no real gains tho.

Touché, I did not know that lol. :D
Induction noise is what I'm after - as long as it doesn't ruin engine or decrease performance greatly that is.

FYI pods are not illegal, its illegal having it exposed, there are loop holes to make it legal even if they are exposed (as in half of it) but you will need engineer cert in oprder to avoid yellow/red sticker on your car.........

Hahaha yea electric superchargers, most of them have fans that wouldn't be adequate to cool down a motherboard on computer, yet people believe that they will increase hp, id say they are in the same "great value for money mods" lol as "hp increase chip/module" which is 10c worth of resistors.

Stick with the standard paper filter.

I have trialled a K &N panel filter and lost torque. Pods from what I have read on these forums are worse for the flat spot.

I know of one respected and knowledgeable member, who I have recently spoken too said the same thing, which was proven to him on the dyno at SKR.

In short stick with the standard filter, but by all means if you wish, trail different positions with air pickup, flexible piping to bumper???.

What a load of PORKIES! How did you discover you lost torque? Did you try pulling something up a hill? What evidence do you have that the K&N panel filter took torque from your car... that comment is a load of GARBOLOGICAL ****!
If your 100% confident on that go and tell K&N that their product strips torque from you car?

Pods however, some truth to your comments there... i agree it is usually because most people just put them in the engine bay and whallah... MEGA SUCTION! = mega power... NOT! Totally depends upon your placement and quality of the piping. Hot air = less power which we all know the engines hate breathing in hot air. Do we all know that?

I'm gathering a few things from this thread:
- get those electric super chargers and add around 90HP
- remove the filter from my intake and add another 100HP
- put a wheelbarrow of bricks in the back to increase traction and therefore, have better fuel economy
- leave my tires really flat so they stick to the road for wicked sick grip

All in all, if I do those things along with make sure that I drive on an empty stomach to save weight, I should be pulling around 500HP?

Would bolting the pod straight on be harmful in any way to the engine?
Because to be honest, I'm not hugely interested in performance, I just really like the sound it makes and if I have to listen to something whilst I drive, might as well sound good :D

If I was going to bolt it on, I'd probably cut out my paper filter and house it in the box, just so it's not totally exposed.

Also, what does RPW mean? :D

Just did a members car today for a service, had an RPW pod on it, the set up is so fantastic like all RPW crap that a brass fitting for the breather has come off and been sucked through the engine, not bad for quality there

SO, if you want cheap gains for few bucks forget it, if you are serious then there are many things you can do but you need to be prepared to spend a few good $$

In response to Mal (the first person to reply seriously to this thread in 2 pages :D):

So despite RPW costing a fair bit of money, they're still not very good? aka - don't worry with it?
Also, how bad would it be if I did just house the pod filter in my current airbox?

forget intakes, save up for a cam or something

Then Ralliart comes along and blows the whole thread in a new direction :D
But will cams gimme the 50 extra HP that putting in a CAI with an electric-supercharger will?

Seriously dude avoid spending your hard earned on questionable mods that offer nil performance gain.

A more cost effective option is to save for a TJ Sports or VRX. Instant 23kW more power. Or even just a later model TH with a 3.5 litre engine.

Ive got a trusty old TE V6 manual with high km thats worth SFA. I plan to pick up a lower km Sports or VRX in the new year. Good examples can be had for 7-8k. Very cheap motoring with a nice blend of performance.

What a load of PORKIES! How did you discover you lost torque? Did you try pulling something up a hill? What evidence do you have that the K&N panel filter took torque from your car... that comment is a load of GARBOLOGICAL ****!
If your 100% confident on that go and tell K&N that their product strips torque from you car?

Pods however, some truth to your comments there... i agree it is usually because most people just put them in the engine bay and whallah... MEGA SUCTION! = mega power... NOT! Totally depends upon your placement and quality of the piping. Hot air = less power which we all know the engines hate breathing in hot air. Do we all know that?

Well....

The NUMEROUS other members that have used K & N panels and experienced a flat spot, which I too experienced, and the fact that traveling the same course everyday which requires a rather steep constant grade at 100kph from Adelaide into the Adelaide hills, my car will make the climb comfortably in top gear with the cruise set at 100kph, with the standard filter in place. When using the K & N filter the car would drop back to 4th to maintain that speed. Also monitoring the fuel consumption over a period of weeks, with all things being equal, time of day, traffic conditions, obtaining fuel from the same servo, fuel usage was higher when using the K & N.

Madmagna has made comment about a K & N filter being evaluated on a dyno, and there was torque loss with the K & N. As I stated, I have spoken to a knowledgable member on here who worked for Development at MMAL and he has found the same when testing his car on a dyno. He also uses a standard filter.

I have conversed with other members who have had dyno sessions carried out, which have a shown a lean out of AFR's when a K & N has been fitted, hence the flat spot that has been reported. One member who owns an AWD and uses a K & N still has a minor flat spot even after having his ECU tuned at SKR. Do a search and read for yourself.

In the end, your car is FWD mine is Automatic and AWD. Torque loss would be felt more in my car than a lighter FWD hence why you don't notice a difference between the two filters. MY car feels and runs better with the standard filter, coupled with better fuel consumption figures. If you feel your car runs better with a K & N, then I'm happy for you.

Well....

The NUMEROUS other members that have used K & N panels and experienced a flat spot, which I too experienced, and the fact that traveling the same course everyday which requires a rather steep constant grade at 100kph from Adelaide into the Adelaide hills, my car will make the climb comfortably in top gear with the cruise set at 100kph, with the standard filter in place. When using the K & N filter the car would drop back to 4th to maintain that speed. Also monitoring the fuel consumption over a period of weeks, with all things being equal, time of day, traffic conditions, obtaining fuel from the same servo, fuel usage was higher when using the K & N.

Madmagna has made comment about a K & N filter being evaluated on a dyno, and there was torque loss with the K & N. As I stated, I have spoken to a knowledgable member on here who worked for Development at MMAL and he has found the same when testing his car on a dyno. He also uses a standard filter.

I have conversed with other members who have had dyno sessions carried out, which have a shown a lean out of AFR's when a K & N has been fitted, hence the flat spot that has been reported. One member who owns an AWD and uses a K & N still has a minor flat spot even after having his ECU tuned at SKR. Do a search and read for yourself.

In the end, your car is FWD mine is Automatic and AWD. Torque loss would be felt more in my car than a lighter FWD hence why you don't notice a difference between the two filters. MY car feels and runs better with the standard filter, coupled with better fuel consumption figures. If you feel your car runs better with a K & N, then I'm happy for you.

you sir have conned me out of getting a filter :)

you sir have conned me out of getting a filter :)

Conned you???

There is no deception in my comments. Just factual statements from what others and myself have experienced. No offence intended

Cheers

Conned you???

There is no deception in my comments. Just factual statements from what others and myself have experienced. No offence intended

Cheers

oooookkkkk.. i mean you talked me out of it.. which is a good thing, saved me $100

Conned you???

There is no deception in my comments. Just factual statements from what others and myself have experienced. No offence intended

Cheers

Im sorry but plenty of dynos that i saw that prove otherwise..... although ill be honest none for a magna......

just check a drift spec pod on and get over it.

just check a drift spec pod on and get over it.

For once I agree with something you've said. lol. Exactly my thoughts. Pod filter will give you some sound, thatsssss it. If your doing it for performance gain, mightaswell buy a few electric superchargers and a turbo whistle to get the most from your car, not to mention one of those ebay chips. 60HP+ they reckon.

Im sorry but plenty of dynos that i saw that prove otherwise..... although ill be honest none for a magna......

The problem with the Magna/Verada is the Karmen Vortex Mass Air Flow sensor. The one fitted to the 3rd gens, only meters the air in the middle of the air stream, allowing a large percentage of air to pass through the other chambers unmetered. It is rather hard to explain, have a look at the back of the airflow meter, to see what I'm getting at.

The 380's air flow meter is different, which is why their seems to be no problems with the fitting of a high flow panel therefore giving gains. The same applies to other manufacturers which use a hot wire arrangement in their Air Flow meters, as a larger amount of cross sectional area of the air flow is measured, again giving gains which you have seen evidenced on dyno's.

In the end it's up to the individual whether they choose to fit a different filter or not. I have simply outlined my experiences when using a K & N and stated what others have found when using the same.

I bought one and now choose to use the standard filter as my car seems happier for it.

Well....

The NUMEROUS other members that have used K & N panels and experienced a flat spot, which I too experienced, and the fact that traveling the same course everyday which requires a rather steep constant grade at 100kph from Adelaide into the Adelaide hills, my car will make the climb comfortably in top gear with the cruise set at 100kph, with the standard filter in place. When using the K & N filter the car would drop back to 4th to maintain that speed. Also monitoring the fuel consumption over a period of weeks, with all things being equal, time of day, traffic conditions, obtaining fuel from the same servo, fuel usage was higher when using the K & N.

Madmagna has made comment about a K & N filter being evaluated on a dyno, and there was torque loss with the K & N. As I stated, I have spoken to a knowledgable member on here who worked for Development at MMAL and he has found the same when testing his car on a dyno. He also uses a standard filter.

I have conversed with other members who have had dyno sessions carried out, which have a shown a lean out of AFR's when a K & N has been fitted, hence the flat spot that has been reported. One member who owns an AWD and uses a K & N still has a minor flat spot even after having his ECU tuned at SKR. Do a search and read for yourself.

In the end, your car is FWD mine is Automatic and AWD. Torque loss would be felt more in my car than a lighter FWD hence why you don't notice a difference between the two filters. MY car feels and runs better with the standard filter, coupled with better fuel consumption figures. If you feel your car runs better with a K & N, then I'm happy for you.

Craig, this is making a little more sense and may be due to not re-tuning the car to the changes in air flow from the standard filter to the K&N panel. I changed to the K&N when completing the custom tune which measured and calculated the ideal ration of air and fuel. The K&N flows better than a standard filter (this is factual and was proven on the dyno right before my eyes) hence less restriction and more air flow. They adjusted the AFR when tuning my car to compensate for the slight but difference in air flow so there were no flat spots. This scenario of yours seems to me that there must be a slight discrepancy (when just changing over to a better flowing filter) in air flow that the computer may be picking up, hence changing gears when otherwise isn't necessary? Interesting... you may be right on it mainly being AWD cars and not FWD's as my VR-X has no such issue. (It also has a K&N panel.)

Glad we could clear that up and i hear what your saying regarding your experience with the panels. I'm pretty confident that a custom tune would solve the problem as any flat spots could be identified and the adjustment can be made to iron it out.

;1335672']For once I agree with something you've said. lol. Exactly my thoughts. Pod filter will give you some sound, thatsssss it. If your doing it for performance gain, mightaswell buy a few electric superchargers and a turbo whistle to get the most from your car, not to mention one of those ebay chips. 60HP+ they reckon.

haha finaly we agree on something.