Im looking at new suspension to get a 'lowered' look for my Tj vr-x.

I want to try and find a midpoint between looks and comfort and i was thinking 30-40mm lower then stock.
What is your setup and would you reccomend it?? hows the ride comfort compared to stock?? What can i expect to pay for a setup like that?

I want to try and get this for a combined christmas/birthday present so was thinking of getting separate shocks and springs rather then coilovers and then getting my local tyre/suspension shop to install them and do the adjustments which i would pay for. (i want the parts as a present from my parents).

Kings spring and boge shockies are a good combo :) It is ok, comfortable but a little bouncey not as a bad as a hilux ute lol

As above, the Kings are very good and the Boge work well with them, Grelise has commented in his ride thread after I took out his KYB and replaced with Boge

All prices for teh parts are in the MitsFix suspension threads, you will struggle to find cheaper

The only draw back is that Boge do not have any stock of rears for sedans until mid December as too many AMC people have purchased them already lol

Ride I think is good, have them in my Wagon and has also fixed a bottoming out issue I had

I'd recommend King Low springs for what it sounds like you want. I had them with KYB shocks all round on my old car and it was great. From what i've read on here though if I were to buy em again i'd go Boge shocks.

Even with those in the front and and Lovells Superlows in the rear on my VR-X the ride quality is still pretty good. One thing i'll say is do NOT get Superlows in the front if you want anything related to a nice ride lol

The only draw back is that Boge do not have any stock of rears for sedans until mid December as too many AMC people have purchased them already lol


This is true, i am waiting for mine, BUT with that said i have heard nothing but rave reviews about running King Lows with Boge shocks.

Ok so king lows and Boge shocks should drop my car front and back around 40mm? what sort of prices are we talking??? and where can i get these from?

Madmagna got a good price :)

Ok so king lows and Boge shocks should drop my car front and back around 40mm? what sort of prices are we talking??? and where can i get these from?

serious...do you not even read what people put in your own thread...all the info you want has already been posted for you....:nuts:

king lows and koni reds (out of a ralliart magna or TL VR/VRX limited) would be a pretty good combination as well if you can get them 2nd for cheap, Tuffy was in my car this morning when it was pelting down in melb, with a set of good tyres and that suspension combo you will have a veyr enjoyable driving experience

Madmagna got a good price :)

Which does he sell? or both?

Its all here.
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80879

There is even a discussion about the choices.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80879

This is something I wouldn't mind looking into either far in the future, my Magna has been lowered to an extremely low level by the previous owners and it is anything but comfy.

EDIT: Beaten :-/

serious...do you not even read what people put in your own thread...all the info you want has already been posted for you....:nuts:

Dude im not good at this stuff, I don't know how to order them or anything. To be honest i would prefer if i could get my local shop to order what i need so i don't screw it up.

Madmagna is an easy bloke to deal with, he has a number supplied in the link i gave you above.

Alternatively you can email him, BUT he is a busy man so dont expect a reply straight away.

Edit: Also Magmagna knows the ins and out of Magnas unlike people at Pedders, Midas, Sprints, or what ever so less chance you can screw it up going through him.

he can get it all at a competitive price, i aint searching for you but boge shocks are 500ish for four and springs are 240ish a pair from memory

edit: dam i must type faster...

Two more things i need to know about suspension.
1. How do the shocks work for different springs e.g lows and ultralows or do you get different sized shocks?
2. Can i get somebody who has superlows on their front and lows in the back to post a picture or 2 of their ride?

lets just forget about the superlows... there is no compromise... its just looks and nothing else to it. In your OP you wanted ride comfort and looks, king lows will do just that

lets just forget about the superlows... there is no compromise... its just looks and nothing else to it. In your OP you wanted ride comfort and looks, king lows will do just that

heaps good, lows seem perfect after reading madmagna's thread.

with my setup with King's super lows are surprisingly pretty comfortable! although i am reconsidering on a different brand of springs (still in the super low ride height). but with what you wanted i'd also suggest to go for lows

you can get King springs from Supercheap if you want to get it locally. from memory they were $120 a pair (for lows). i got my Boge's from Jax tyres, this was before Mal was supplying them anyways, from memory it was $480 for all four plus fitting and alignment

with my setup with King's super lows are surprisingly pretty comfortable! although i am reconsidering on a different brand of springs (still in the super low ride height). but with what you wanted i'd also suggest to go for lows

you can get King springs from Supercheap if you want to get it locally. from memory they were $120 a pair (for lows). i got my Boge's from Jax tyres, this was before Mal was supplying them anyways, from memory it was $480 for all four plus fitting and alignment

I will see my options, now im giving my parents the option of buying me pacies + hi-flow cat or this suspension setup for christmas/ birthday and ill go from there. thanks alot

Dude im not good at this stuff, I don't know how to order them or anything. To be honest i would prefer if i could get my local shop to order what i need so i don't screw it up.

Mate,
Your local shop can prob not purchase the Kings and Boge them selves as cheap as I sell them to members

The Kings are $260 for the set of 4 (all 4 corners) you have either 30mm or 45mm drop, is up to you
Boge are $540 for the set of 4 (again all 4 corners) and come with a lifetime warranty

You have no issues in ordering from me, if you can phone me with a credit card or do an online transfer you are set to go.

The freight will be $30

Ok this is my vrx with superlow fronts lows rears both kings
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m451/ih8hsv/IMG_7785.jpg

nice looking cars have lows in the front, shit ****ing hot looking cars have superlows. just gotta make a tradeoff for looks vs ride comfort.

Ok this is my vrx with superlow fronts lows rears both kings
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m451/ih8hsv/IMG_7785.jpg

see to me that looks like an equil drop front and back even though there are superlows on the front. Confusing :s

Edit: by the way, cabbage for $2.00???? what a bargain.

see to me that looks like an equal drop front and back even though there are superlows on the front. Confusing :s

Edit: by the way, cabbage for $2.00???? what a bargain.


but the reality is that super lows only give EQUAL visual aspect with the guards,take it from thoughs that know,while you think it looks good,it handles crap,and lows only lift it a smidge any way...


Kings low front and rear
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/wheel%20swap%20%20yes%20or%20no/Image0126.jpg

or this with LOVELS SUPERLOWS

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/sunny%20morning/Image0096-1.jpg

If its a good compromise you want...Boges and Lows all the way! Mal's price is competitive...install is very easy with a little help from your friends.

Yer defo, now gotta convince parents for some money. Looking foward to it :)

today in the wet my car makes a clunking sound whenever i turn right coming from the left wheel somewhere? my dad says it happens sometimes in commodores and magnas and its something to do with water in the shock?? can anyone confirm this?

I picked up some King SuperLow fronts and Low rears for $240 the lot from Fulcrum up in Brisbane! Putting them on stock shocks though :P

how do the Boge shocks adjust to different size springs? or they just compress more under car weight?

Shocks, or Dampers as they are actually made to function have a shaft that will move up and down, they are designed to dampen the spring rate

The SL is really not recommended for a Magna, they do reduce suspension travel way too far. If you want to go that low, use coil overs to do it properly

Im going to go with the 45mm drop, low springs

I noticed Mal is offering another type of lowered spring other then kings. Any good?

I'll be picking up a VRX this Sunday and may want to lower it shortly..

I noticed Mal is offering another type of lowered spring other then kings. Any good?

I'll be picking up a VRX this Sunday and may want to lower it shortly..

Yes i want the other type providing the drop will be the same 40mm from standard height, ill do my research and try and confirm the drop.

I have Dobinsons in my car at the moment, have just been fitted, the lows in the dobinson range appear to be about the same as the low in the king range however they are a better coil and with the drive I have had so far are certainly more responsive, but then again I have also fitted my Koni's with them lol

In short, I am able to get King, Dobinsons, soon Lovell as well. Dampers KYB, Boge, Koni and again fairly soon will be adding Bilstein to the mix as well

I have Dobinsons in my car at the moment, have just been fitted, the lows in the dobinson range appear to be about the same as the low in the king range however they are a better coil and with the drive I have had so far are certainly more responsive, but then again I have also fitted my Koni's with them lol

In short, I am able to get King, Dobinsons, soon Lovell as well. Dampers KYB, Boge, Koni and again fairly soon will be adding Bilstein to the mix as well

Very good to hear, as soon as i get some money i will be contacting you in regards to sending me springs and shocks.

So the 45mm drop, Is that the superlows?

And i would think the 30mm drop would be the lows?

Correct?

So the 45mm drop, Is that the superlows?

And i would think the 30mm drop would be the lows?

Correct?

Stock vr-x suspension already is around 20mm lower then standard, king springs offer a sports setup of around 30mm, Lows then are 45mm and superlows are 60mm

Somebody correct me if im wrong but thats how i see it.

Stock vr-x suspension already is around 20mm lower then standard, king springs offer a sports setup of around 30mm, Lows then are 45mm and superlows are 60mm

Somebody correct me if im wrong but thats how i see it.

correct. vr-x and sport both had approx. 20mm lower springs on standard. and the kings are as you stated.

I have all the measurements in my store in the listings for the springs, these are based on standard Magna, you deduct 20mm for the VRX and Sports, well actually is usually more like 15mm lol

Okay is there much difference ride and handling wise between 30mm and 45mm drops?

VR-X suspension would be 10mm... maybe 15mm lower at most. I replaced my VR-X suspension with King Lows and my suspension shop measured a 38mm drop in ride height.


Okay is there much difference ride and handling wise between 30mm and 45mm drops?
The Low SPs (the 30mm drop) are a smidge firmer but the difference is negible. On a FWD I imagine there wouldn't be much of a difference between Lows and Low SPs. I have the Lows all round and would definitely recommend them.

The AWD models, because of their extra weight, may benefit from something higher/stiffer than Lows.

A question for you Mr SPL though - how heavy is your boot install? If we're talking serious weight (100kg+?) it might be worth putting Lows (45mm) on the front, and Low SPs (30mm) on the rear.

I've got Kings Lows and KYB shocks. A few other members have similar set ups and it work pretty well. Lowers the car, better handling but still is comfortable and doesn't require much angling for drive ways and speed bumps are a breeze.

NOt a lot, you get more clearance from the 30mm but I think the ride is better with teh 45, now I have had some decent time to drive around with the dobinsons, they are completely different again, where the kings are very dependent on weight, ie you load her up and she sinks, the dobinsons dont but at the same time, when hitting bumps or wavy roads, especially with some speed, the response and return is much more direct as well, in the wagon it has made the crap rear suspension that was made better with the boge now perfect

Mal, out of curiosity, do you have any comparison between the spring rates of the King Lows and the Dobinson Lows?

VR-X suspension would be 10mm... maybe 15mm lower at most. I replaced my VR-X suspension with King Lows and my suspension shop measured a 38mm drop in ride height.


The Low SPs (the 30mm drop) are a smidge firmer but the difference is negible. On a FWD I imagine there wouldn't be much of a difference between Lows and Low SPs. I have the Lows all round and would definitely recommend them.

The AWD models, because of their extra weight, may benefit from something higher/stiffer than Lows.

A question for you Mr SPL though - how heavy is your boot install? If we're talking serious weight (100kg+?) it might be worth putting Lows (45mm) on the front, and Low SPs (30mm) on the rear.

At the moment i have pedders ( OH NO ) LOL sorry i had no idea that the pedders were bad. . i know now. . :S. . I have the superlows in now and even without the install it just handles rough and you feel EVERY stone on the road. Im strongly considering going to the king low 45mm if it handles and rides better. And the sportsryder shocks can go aswell. The boot install is a 2 person lift. However i sold it tonight so the new one will be a lot lighter as it wont have a box. It will be IB

King lows will generally be a MUCH softer ride when compared to SuperLows. It also depends on rim size as 19" rims with superlows would feel like your springs are made of rock.

Yeah so i figure i will go king lows (45mm) with boge maybe. The rims from my other car will be going on it so they are 19's. At the moment i have stock 16's and it feels like i am on BRICKS :(

King lows will generally be a MUCH softer ride when compared to SuperLows. It also depends on rim size as 19" rims with superlows would feel like your springs are made of rock.
Ummmmm.... are you sure about that? From my experience it's the other way around.

Ummmmm.... are you sure about that? From my experience it's the other way around.

So you think superlows are a softer spring then lows? :/

my ass says no. . lol

So you think superlows are a softer spring then lows? :/
Yeah they are actually. Not sure about other brands, but the King Superlows are a softer spring rate than the Lows.

Softer spring + less travel = wonders for ride and handling.

I have pedders sportsryder now as shocks and super lows pedders springs. Are the sportsryders at all decent? I know that that pedders are bad for magna but im wondering. are they worth keeping and just changing springs?

Just my opinion about a previous comment about tyre sizes........ I'd expect that standard rims at 16" would give a softer ride than 19" rims - the issue being the sidewall height of the tyres. Std 16" rims are 60-series, so sidewall is 60% height of the tyre width. To keep a similar tyre diameter/circumference, a larger rim needs to run a much lower profile tyre (which most folks thinks looks cool)...... but that lower profile tyre has a smaller sidewall height and thus musch less ability to absorb shock from imperfect road surfaces. At the same time, the lower sidewall height is stiffer and thus likely to give sharper handling (which most think is cool/desireable).

I just don't think going from 16" rims to 19" rims will improve ride quality at all - I'd expect the 19" to be bum-numbing compared to OEM 16" rims. I drive rural roads and would not consider larger rims for this reason. Just sayin'..................

I have pedders sportsryder now as shocks and super lows pedders springs. Are the sportsryders at all decent? I know that that pedders are bad for magna but im wondering. are they worth keeping and just changing springs?
How old are the shocks? If they're newish you could easily re-use them, but if they're getting older I'd definitely ditch them.

Don't underestimate the impact that shocks have on ride and handling though. I felt that my car rode better after lowering on King Lows + KYBs. You definitely pick up more of the imperfections on the road with the stiffer springs, but over the larger bumps, the car was actually more comfortable, and I put that down to good quality shocks. On both my dad's cars, he's replaced the shocks but kept the standard springs (both cars are pretty new), and again, big improvement in ride/handling.

And a big +1 to what Elywn said. I only went from 17s to 18s, but the lower profile tyres, coupled with a smaller rolling diameter and the stiffer sidewall of the different tyres I chose made a fairly big difference to ride. It's still reasonably comfortable - and I do a fair bit of driving in regional areas too - but the impact is noticeably sharper on decent bumps.

Not a good enough improvement over boge shocks? My shocks are no more then a year at most old