Is it easy to modify a TJ sports series 2 for more power?

which will shift it into category of Ralliart?

or is it easier to buy a Ralliart..which works out cheaper

Yes, by all accounts it is easy to get better than ralliart power out of a TJ S2 Sports.

Others on here have got 195hp ATW which works out at approx 195kW at the fly-wheel, which is a fair bit up from the ralliart's 180kW..

Mods required with probably overstated approx fitted/tuned price -

High-flowed or oversize throttle body - $350?
Extractors - $900 (RPW items... pacemakers are a fair bit cheaper)
E-Manage or Unichip - $1200+
Rising rate fuel pressure regulator - $500?
Some kind of CAI system with replacement filter.. worst case - $550 w/ custom piping and pod filter

I don't think I've missed anything...

BTW, these are the mods I plan on getting over the next few months.. extractors on order :D

Cams..

but of course the ralliart gets the bodykit, the konis, the mags, the seats and the better sound.

WSDschweetmate

zorst (hi-flow cat and rear muffler) ... stock piping on any 3.5L should be fine in combination with these and say pacemakers or RPWs extractors, unless you are going to be doing some really hardcore mods it's not necessary to change it.

How about a Ralliart with all the mods listed above ??

Thats what i have :D

Wouldnt have it any other way.

Don't forget, you'll only have 195hp at "one wheel". You'll still need to get a torsen limited slip diff to get the power down as in the Ralliarts. But it's still a good idea modifying a Sports.

The Sports and VRXs are great cars. If in doubt, go drive a Sports and Ralliart back to back and make your decision from that and weigh up the cost difference from the mods you'd have to do to the sports.


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Depends on what you want, a sports or VRX that is faster than a Ralliart without the tacky bodykit and enlarged ego lol , or get the ralliart if you want hardend pistons and valves, stronger valve springs, smoother head flows and better suspention stock ohh yes an LSD lol

Don't forget, you'll only have 195hp at "one wheel". You'll still need to get a torsen limited slip diff to get the power down as in the Ralliarts. But it's still a good idea modifying a Sports.
Bah!
With the prices droppin on Ralliarts,Wasting all that Money on mods that'll give you only 15kwattz more and No LSD,I'd Rather the Ralliart Manual anyday.You get the Power,Quality and Luxury all rolled into 1
:D

Just wondering how would the 180kw Ralliart fair against something like a 225kw V8 VX Commodore ? Faster or slower to 100km/h ?

Probably pretty close and would come down to drivers ability to launch and if it's dry. 0-60 the Magna. The torque of the 8 in second is a winner so if the Magna is in front at 100, it won't be for much longer.

Yeah, this is about right. They're pretty well line ball from my experience. And it's always good to see the looks on their faces when you're still level with them. Most Commodore and Falcon owners don't know what a Ralliart is.

Had a funny experience a couple of days ago. I had a guy who must have been about 70 give me a couple of runs. Nothing too unusual about that except he was in a brand new VW Toureg V8 and was absolutely revving the ring out of it lol Ah well, at least he was having fun. I reckon it cost him about $20 in petrol thoughlol

Depends. The mods that Velocity and Manual have / had could mean more power at the wheels than the Ralliart but Ralliarts are defilantely cheaper these days. I'd rather get the Ralliart and mod from there :badgrin:
Good point,but they're both base model Magna's(maybe not Velocity's dunno)which seem to have cost an arm and a leg to mod just to get more power than a ralliart,Don't get me Wrong Malcolm's and Velocity's are F#$%$^ Wicked looking magna's,But having a Ralliart just seems to be the clear winner,cause the Time and Trouble of modding is practicly already done specially with the Manual having LSD,besides a Good CAI kit,better Cams and Forced induction.my 2c.
Also,who here has a Manual Ralliart?
And how well does it go?

i thourght that a stock TH sports had 163kw (of the top of my head) and 200hp
correct me if im wrong

Yeah you are referring to the TJ Sports. The TH Sports was still 147kw. Which is why there is a significant jump between a TH Sports and a TJ Sports. You get the extra 16kw to go with other kinds of things like parabolic headlights etc. The TJ Sports is a VRX clone pretty much without the bodykit

Before everyone talks about how much Velocity and Manual have spent to match a Ralliart think of this. My car had the same power output as Velocity's standard when i bought it.

I have now modified the Ralliart with a few good mods and am now in front of Velocity.

So, in my opinion, it isnt worth spending the money on modding the base models when you cant match the Ralliart anyway and you get better interior, rims, suspension, brakes etc with the Ralliart from the start.

Why bother modifying when you can only best match a Ralliart but would have spent more anyway.

Dont get me wrong, Velocity's car is beautiful and certainly has some potential but im sure it has cost him more than my Ralliart, im sure he can confirm that for me.

Id like to get his opinion on this actually.

intresting,

cos for all the old skool people here;

when i first entered the 'modding' scene, as you all pretty much know it was a
a) haltech
b) CAI
c) twin throttle bodies

now give or take a bit, but these set me back ~$5,000 (main cost in buiding the twin throttle body setup)

dyno proven at 181.1? hp at the treads - hp @ wheels is approx guide kw at flywheel

so say, brand new prices 1996TE when new

$31,000k
$05,000k mods
=
$36,000 for approx power of Ralliart

but you dont have the bodykit or LSD.. but thats about where it stops :doubt:

having said that, id still buy a Ralliart over a Exec or Sports anyday :cool: :D

yeah i was led to believe the ralliart has alot more than just power, after all its not just power that makes a car its how it turns. specialy for a sucessful road car

ralliart for sure

sports is good and if u pay to make it as powerful as a ralliart thats just engine mods

what about the suspension, LSD, rims (well i think they are ugly as but if u like them u can throw them in the package) and better interior all up if u wanted to make ur sports like a ralliart u would be spending heaps

plus throw a few extra mods onto ur ralliart and u got a nice beast going :)

I think the reason they make such additional sort of sports type of cars over the executives like the Ralliarts and VRX's is for people who want to drive around in something a lot faster, better looking and what not. Spending a few grand on say an executive is in my opinion really the most you should go with one. Maybe wheels, lowering, tinting, CD player etc. When you start getting into the performance chips and what not as good your car can become it will probably never look, drive and handle as good as say a Ralliart and would not have the same features. Having said that modifying cars is fun and I love doing even small mods to mine. It's enjoyable and makes your car more unique which makes you appreciate your car a lot more. It really depends what your motive is. You might be able to turn an executive into a faster car than a Ralliart for cheaper, but there are also negatives like you wont have the alloy wheels, rear spoiler, body kit, LSD, 14 speakers, traction control etc. The reality is it's not really practical to have a car that is all about kw's when you have no features, guzzle fuel, pay hefty insurance bills, safety is poor, have poor steering and drivability is poor. Otherwise most people who just get a V8 VN Commodore for dirt cheap and just mod the crap out of it purely for power which some people actually do. It will never have the appearance and features and safety etc etc of a VT II Gen 3. The thing is you could always spend that money doing up your Ralliart as well to be even faster. There comes a point where you have to call it quits and just work with what you have or can afford. I sometimes wish I had a TE, but then I realise It's probably better for me to pay a little extra and get the 3.5L TJ, but then I might as well get a TJ sports, but then I might as well get a VRX cos the body kit is great, then I might as well get a Ralliart since they are now a lot cheaper and are quite quick with a few extra goodies. This is what has seriously gone through my mind the last month or so. I think modified cars are great, I just think that when you think you are saving a significant amount of money by upgrading your car as opposed to getting a faster one you're more often than not wrong and I think most people realise this. It's more just for the fun and uniqueness of doing it. You will probably end up paying more for insurance if you have bigger wheels, you have lowered your car and done all sorts of things. There is also the factor that people will try to vandalise / steal your car, the cops will harass you more if your car is heavily modified and you're resale won't match the resale of a stock Ralliart. It really depends on your budget. If you're like Booya and you want to pretty much change everything about the car you might as well just get something with basic features but with a good engine. If you only plan to spend a smaller amount of money anyway it might be better to go for say a Ralliart. Personally If I was choosing between the 2 I would probably rather a VRX cos I think it looks as good and is cheaper, if I wanted to have a fast car I would choose the Ralliart than say doing up a TJ Sports because of the features you have helping you. ie the car is more designed to go fast anyway so you wont have to spend as much on it. In reality I would probably choose neither cos I can't afford it :) Well that's a lie, I can, but I would rather put it towards my first house since I don't drive my car a whole lot and it would just sit there and depreciate away for the most part. Anyway I'm bored and am going to bed. If you want a fast car, get yourself a Ralliart mate. They are cheap these days and are built to go fast. If you are hardcore modifyer, get yourself an AWD to start off with.

Personally I think the body kits is just a wank feel. Not to mention the extra weight. If you have a Auto Ralliart you don't get a LSD you have traction control, only the manuals have LSD. The other differences in engine, are, Better breathing, heads being port and polished a bit, better cams, heavier valve springs, the valves are the same as a standard magna's, better headers, although RPW's are better again. Better suspension but it is still quite soft. And a better sound system although the speakers ain't that good. I would put the money into getting a manual Sports and going full hog on it. I have a Manual Sports and have no problem beating a auto ralliart. the LSD are about $1,800.

All in good time, with the LSD. I have the Ralliart wheels now, opting for them because they used to be hard to get, now the VR and VRX limited TL's have them as well. Would like to try to sort out the problem with take off first and I'm thinking the RPW engine mounts. Hopping off the line isn't fun

funky fresian, where have you been for the last 6-8 months? long time no post dude!