Im looking into getting wheel spacers for the rear of my wagon. Wheel spacers are illegal and im aware of that but can you get them engineered?

and before anyone goes on about how crap they are and that they'll brake and shiz, let me remind you that the wagon's rear suspension is really simple, and the wheels remain perpendicular to the road at all times so there are no geometry issues... the force applied to the suspension arms will remain exactly as is.

i know the problem lies in having shortened bolts but i reassure you i will be purchasing hubcentric wheel spacers which aren't just shims.

longs story short:
-engineerable? y/n
-anyone else done it? y/n
-looks much better? y/n
-anyone else agree that the way the rear wheels are closer together looks terrible once you've noticed haha? y/n

Couldn't you just change the wheels? And put a lower offset on the rear, say +30, instead of the +45 that it is now? That'll push them out 15mm & it'll probably cost a lot less than engineering etc.

Couldn't you just change the wheels? And put a lower offset on the rear, say +30, instead of the +45 that it is now? That'll push them out 15mm & it'll probably cost a lot less than engineering etc.

I agree

Yeah, what wheels have you got?

If you want to change the offset by more than 5-10mm I'd simply be looking for new rims.

He wants this. :P
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Fkf00E6cYbA/TKG8-2tTxEI/AAAAAAAACPg/zvbj5au-cKU/s640/Camber.jpg

-engineer-able? Depends who does the work but will be costly.
-looks much better? Personal opinion but i would say yes.
-anyone else agree that the way the rear wheels are closer together looks terrible once you've noticed haha? All the wagon owners will now hate you for pointing it out.

i have rims already and cant generate funds to get new ones, plus the ones i have are flat faced not dished so they dont come in a huge range of offsets.

i also know a guy who knows a guy who can get me engineering certs for a nice deal.

on another note, thats sick hayden, i defs wouldnt mind that haha.
but yea like i said wagon rear hubs fixed 90 degrees to axle. no funny geom.

-anyone else agree that the way the rear wheels are closer together looks terrible once you've noticed haha? All the wagon owners will now hate you for pointing it out.

hahahahha

-anyone else agree that the way the rear wheels are closer together looks terrible once you've noticed haha? All the wagon owners will now hate you for pointing it out.
Sedans are the same. I have the same rims front and back, and have a tad more negative camber on the front than the back (about -1° vs around 0.5° on the rear). The tyres are just in the guards at the front, but sit well within the guards on the rear :-/

elliotcook what rim width and offset are you running atm?

i have 8inch wide rims, not too sure of the offset all i know is that the front rims sit 100% flush with the guard and the back rims are a noticable amount within the guards which looks silly

With my experciences once you lower a Car it will induce negative camber.. Could you do a simple camber fix and run close to 0 which will push the wheels closer to the guards??

he has a wagon, so it doesnt quite work like the sedans do. wheel spacers are a easy fix, but they are illegal, and nobody who is doing their job correctly will engineer them. i ran them for ages on my sedan, while making the car look better, they did throw out the wheel balance and made me weary that in a crash, it could affect any claims i made for insurance, and obviously, if the cops were to notice them. the only legal fix is to change rims within the legal parameters. although this is costly, its the only proper fix. and you should be having so pretty terrible scrubing issues if the whels are 8 inches wide, with the front being flush, and the back being inset that far. what size are they, and what suspension mods are you running?

What size spacers are you looking at running..?? You could get them engineered but it would be more hassle then it worth.

nah man no scrub whatsoever, even lock to lock i have atleast 1 cm clearance on the inside atthe front.

im yet to lower it however, and im thinking that once lowered i could have significantly more rub issuses. although im probably only going to lower it the barest bit at the front and more at the back, and the back wheels have inches of space around them to move so im not concerned with rub at the rear

What size spacers are you looking at running..?? You could get them engineered but it would be more hassle then it worth.

probs looking at 10-20mm spacers, then ill be able to tuck still when i get the rear lowered so there will be no issues with the wheel bottoming out on the guards, haha like the fronts would if they moved that far. im currently in the process of getting around to rolling the front guards and pulling them like .5cm so ill be able to get it down low.

From memory the studs are only about 20mm in length so a 10mm spacer will leave 10mm of stud which will be less again due to mounting face of wheel unless you replace the studs with longer ones.

he has a wagon, so it doesnt quite work like the sedans do. wheel spacers are a easy fix, but they are illegal, and nobody who is doing their job correctly will engineer them. i ran them for ages on my sedan, while making the car look better, they did throw out the wheel balance and made me weary that in a crash, it could affect any claims i made for insurance, and obviously, if the cops were to notice them. the only legal fix is to change rims within the legal parameters. although this is costly, its the only proper fix. and you should be having so pretty terrible scrubing issues if the whels are 8 inches wide, with the front being flush, and the back being inset that far. what size are they, and what suspension mods are you running?


I've got some 19" x 8" with a +35 offset (and 245 tyres) on my TH wagon, running low springs, and the only scrub is at the front, and is very minor on the front inner plastic guard at full lock.

And yes, I'd get a 5-10mm spacer for the rear if I could get them engineered and at reasonable cost, So if you get someone who can let me know please.
Otherwise I'll just put up with it.

anyone else agree that the way the rear wheels are closer together looks terrible once you've noticed haha? All the wagon owners will now hate you for pointing it out.

LoL WUT? *Runs outside to check*

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From memory the studs are only about 20mm in length so a 10mm spacer will leave 10mm of stud which will be less again due to mounting face of wheel unless you replace the studs with longer ones.

i specifically said i wouldnt use crappy shims, id use the spacers that bolt onto the hub, and then have their own studs for the wheel to bolt to. they are also hubcentric

probs looking at 10-20mm spacers, then ill be able to tuck still when i get the rear lowered so there will be no issues with the wheel bottoming out on the guards, haha like the fronts would if they moved that far. im currently in the process of getting around to rolling the front guards and pulling them like .5cm so ill be able to get it down low.

Yeah 20mm is rather extreme. I did get spacers made up for the front to fit the wheels back on over the brembos when i fitted them. We did a 12mm spacer and had to then put 10mm Longer studs and also pull the guards out a tad as wheels where hitting. If i got 225 tyres it would of been fine but i need 245 for engineering. I got brakes and wheels engineered with the spacers on. There is no mention of them on engineers reports. I had them custom made so that they are the same fit as the back of the wheel so they look like the wheel. :)

oh nice, sneaky. make them look like part of the wheels haha. "no sir they are not spacers, they are optional offset adjusters that come with my wheels"

oh nice, sneaky. make them look like part of the wheels haha. "no sir they are not spacers, they are optional offset adjusters that come with my wheels"

Mine are a very open wheel, If you got wheels that are not as open then you might hide them. They are not the best things but if you put longer studs you should be right. They are the things that will break un the added strain over less area being so short.

yea kay how hard is it to get longer studs put in? local mechanic do it quick?

yea kay how hard is it to get longer studs put in? local mechanic do it quick?

leave the car at the local Mechanic for a few hours. Not sure about rears but Magna fronts can be a little tricky.

Just had a look during daylight at the 'inward rears thing' mine actually sit pretty equal with each other. Also I have a spacer on my 20's, guy I bought my 20's off said they were needed. Not how big they were, nothing massive, from memory either 5mil or just a lil over.