hay guys, i was just wondering what avrage time for a magna/verada, auto/manual was. ive jsut taken mine down the 1/4 my best time was a 15.1, and my worst was a 15.3 with no traction in 1st out of all my runs, i was runnin on stock 205/55/15 tyres an i was driveing my 2000 magna th modle 5 speed manual with 130xxx on the clock, mods are 2.5" cat bak an a k&n pod other then that its stock as a rock, including the hubcaps so let me know what ur runnin an what mods u got and any idears to get it into the 14's cheers

Getting into the 14s

- Stiff suspension
- Soft compound wide tyres (235/35/R18 suggested)
- Minimal wheelspin
- Manual Trans

I ran 3x 15.3s passes on the cheapest chinese tyres imaginable (235/45/R17), they just had NO traction. This was also with the stock 2.25" piping from a 3lt.

Haven't taken it back since fitting 235/45/R18 Kuhmo KU31's, interested to see drop in time though.

well atm im runnin a 15.1 on 205/55/15 thats are cheap wrecker's job for $20 each in a 3.5 manual th magna 2000 model so u reken with some decent 235's an a good lauch i could get in into a rly high 14?

Its quite common to get manuals running high 14s

Dean, i though someone from the club ran high 14s in manual vrx that night? was it Brendan?

try some weight reductions, ie spare tyre, rear seat ,internal door covers etc
cheap to.... might knock off .2 of a second to get you into the 14s

edit: apparently ''KURT'' ran 14.7 in his 3ltr manual with just an exhaust

Flat shifting maybe....
Anyone know what a manual ralliart with lsd can do with good conditions?. Not needing a new diff after every run?

Sorry, but stock Magna's in realistic terms will not run the quarter in sub 15 sec let alone sub 15.3's. Doesn't matter what tyres you put on. A 2000 magna th model 5 speed manual (assuming its an exec) will not produce sub 15.5 sec quarter mile times without some bloody miracle. 3.0L engines & 3.5L engines put out the equivalent power at the engine; 3.0L=150 kW (201 hp), 3.5L=155 kW (208 hp), 3.5L VR-X models=163kW and the Ralliart engine produced somewhere between 174kW and 180kW depending on which cams were used.
However, if it really does do it in 15.1sec, put up a slip to prove me wrong. :D (Don't get me wrong, i luv Magna's but you need to be realistic in terms of time for a stock magna.)

The fastest Gen 3 Stock Magna's, (the Ralliart Magna) in Manual Trans runs in 14.7 - 14.9 at best stock and an Auto 5 speed tiptronic between 14.8 and 15.1
My Stock 02 SII VR-X ran it in 15.34 at best (5 speed tiptronic).

All depends on the driver but someone who is skilled wld achieve very close to these times consistently. Check out the search function on 1/4 mile times here on AMC as the old thread on 1/4 mile times in dead unfortunately.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/album.php?albumid=230&attachmentid=43618
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/album.php?albumid=230&attachmentid=43617

not to sure how to upload a pic so there is the link for my slips

Sorry, but stock Magna's in realistic terms will not run the quarter in sub 15 sec let alone sub 15.3's. Doesn't matter what tyres you put on. A 2000 magna th model 5 speed manual (assuming its an exec) will not produce sub 15.5 sec quarter mile times without some bloody miracle. 3.0L engines & 3.5L engines put out the equivalent power at the engine; 3.0L=150 kW (201 hp), 3.5L=155 kW (208 hp), 3.5L VR-X models=163kW and the Ralliart engine produced somewhere between 174kW and 180kW depending on which cams were used.
However, if it really does do it in 15.1sec, put up a slip to prove me wrong. :D (Don't get me wrong, i luv Magna's but you need to be realistic in terms of time for a stock magna.)

The fastest Gen 3 Stock Magna's, (the Ralliart Magna) in Manual Trans runs in 14.7 - 14.9 at best stock and an Auto 5 speed tiptronic between 14.8 and 15.1
My Stock 02 SII VR-X ran it in 15.34 at best (5 speed tiptronic).

All depends on the driver but someone who is skilled wld achieve very close to these times consistently. Check out the search function on 1/4 mile times here on AMC as the old thread on 1/4 mile times in dead unfortunately.

Check your facts buddy. Brendan (ih8hsv - 2001 TJ VR-X 3.5 5sp Manual) ran a 14.9 the same night I did 15.3 (2000 TH Exec 3.5 5sp Manual). Street trim, nothing removed. Brendan also ran a high 14 in Vic at Heathcote. Auto Ralliart has no chance of a 14s pass without mods.

Zahrim's TE exec was running mid 15s (3L V6 exec).

We all have slips, measured at WSID with international competition class measurement devices.

A low 15/high 14 isn't an unbelievable time. The newer guys probably won't know him, but there was an older member Tim-E who had a TE 5 speed with extractors and exhaust and ran a 15.15 quarter mile.

Like Life said, if you want to improve your times, a grippy set of tyres and stiffer suspension is the way to go. Both of them will immensely improve handling too, so it's a win-win situation.

Doesn't brendan run full exhaust + extractors? I imagine this makes his car a fair bit more powerful then stock. hence the 14

Doesn't brendan run full exhaust + extractors? I imagine this makes his car a fair bit more powerful then stock. hence the 14

Extractors, centre muffler, rear muffler - Not a subtancial increase but yes an increase (however at the time, he had a "hot air intake" on the car that would have negated all effects of these mods) - However manuals are tempremental, if you introduce more power, you have less traction, this can effect your 1/4 mile by alot.

I was also running an exposed pod which would have bought my times down. Was having way too many traction issues on cheap chinese tyres though.

try some weight reductions, ie spare tyre, rear seat ,internal door covers etc
cheap to.... might knock off .2 of a second to get you into the 14s

edit: apparently ''KURT'' ran 14.7 in his 3ltr manual with just an exhaust

Did run a 14.7 in a 3.5l with 270km on the clock with just an exhaust. If u wanna talk about magnas running into the 14s in the 3.5l engine its easy u just need to know how to drive the thing and launch u need some good tyres is a good start ive got now 225/60 something tyres on my front alot more grippier than the stock 205s. 60ft times are importantant for a good time like mine u need to be in the 2.2 60ft time so thats your launch right there. Now with my new TW engine and ralliart cams and soon an SKR tune the thing will be running low 14s. Already feel a huge difference with this new engine and cams not even tuned yet. My links is below of my timeslip.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84285&highlight=

Back in the day (circa 2004/5) Tzaboy, EGO, myself and another now defunct member, were reguarly running in the 14's with fairly stock Ralliart's and VRX's with TZABOY pulling out a 14.0001 on one of those nights........and this was before he was supercharged and all done on the track at WSID.

I ran 15.3 while breaking a diff and launching pretty badly on an entirely stock VR-X manual, so can't be that hard as people say.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/album.php?albumid=230&attachmentid=43618
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/album.php?albumid=230&attachmentid=43617

Checked your 60ft times 97verada. Theres improvement there your doing basically a 2.4 60ft time and running a 15.1 15.2 need to get it down to 2.2 60ft time like i have and youll run 14.8s easy just need some better tyres mate.

So keen to run a 14 second in a stock v6. I need to get some money, practise driving then hit up WSID :D

I really want to take the Ralliart to WSID to see if i can get 14s. Might get it tuned first after i've lost some weight and then try.
245/40R18s should work well. Might grab a couple sticky 245/35R18 and slap them on for a run, too.

Alright, anyone up for a WSID night after the bathurst cruise? Maybe slot it in between the cruise and go-karts?

:facepalm STOCK STOCK STOCK I said!!! Not going to get into the 14's stock sorry. By stock i mean tyres, suspension, everything! Of course a moded magna can do it and i never disputed that.

An auto Ralliart 'can' run a high 14 stock with a decent driver... because i did. This was before any mods were completed too. POST #34
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84422&p=1349913&highlight=#post1349913

Don't believe me... vrx-kid saw first hand how fast my 5 speed tippy Ralliart was driven correctly. He had a black 02 VRX 3.5 manual and i smacked him by car lengths every time. 0-100, 80-140. I'm pretty sure he was getting 15.2's in his so he was very surprised when I left him for dead every time.

Kurts' is moded and i do not dispute his time or any others who have achieved great times with some skill behind the wheel and simple mods such as extractors and exhaust.

Zahrim's TE exec was running mid 15s (3L V6 exec). >>> I do not dispute this. 15.5 is around the mark of realism.

97verada :D thanks for the slips... good work!

IMO 18" wheels will slow you down unless they are expensive light weight ones.

Better would be to find some 235-245 / 50 / 16s on factory or lightweight rims.
Best would be to get a pair of racing slicks :)
I saw a Turbo Telstar TX5 go from 14.5 to 13.5 with the only modification being slicks!

(the biggest improvement is made at the initial launch)

Checked your 60ft times 97verada. Theres improvement there your doing basically a 2.4 60ft time and running a 15.1 15.2 need to get it down to 2.2 60ft time like i have and youll run 14.8s easy just need some better tyres mate.

yea thats what i noticed, main problem was i was spinin all of first couse i was on a set of cheap $20 wrecker 205/55/15 so yea pair of 235's couse b abel to get a good 60ft, thx for te advice though m8

:facepalm STOCK STOCK STOCK I said!!! Not going to get into the 14's stock sorry. By stock i mean tyres, suspension, everything! Of course a moded magna can do it and i never disputed that.

An auto Ralliart 'can' run a high 14 stock with a decent driver... because i did. This was before any mods were completed too. POST #34
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84422&p=1349913&highlight=#post1349913



Don't believe me... vrx-kid saw first hand how fast my 5 speed tippy Ralliart was driven correctly. He had a black 02 VRX 3.5 manual and i smacked him by car lengths every time. 0-100, 80-140. I'm pretty sure he was getting 15.2's in his so he was very surprised when I left him for dead every time.

Kurts' is moded and i do not dispute his time or any others who have achieved great times with some skill behind the wheel and simple mods such as extractors and exhaust.

Zahrim's TE exec was running mid 15s (3L V6 exec). >>> I do not dispute this. 15.5 is around the mark of realism.

97verada :D thanks for the slips... good work!

thx mate :)

yeah i got 15.7 on the infamous Sonar tyres (by nankang) on stock 15 inch rims. believe me they are so not grippy it's not funny worse even than the triangles Life was running that same night. i am not liking them i just swapped back for the day from my 17s and all i get is spin when taking off quick. also take note my car has done roughly 300000kms. I think given IH8HSVs times its entirely reasonable for a TJ vrx manual to reach high 14s without modification.
unfortunatately i cant afford one or i'd bloody well give it a shot lmao.

i got whats in my signature by running 235/45.r17 tyres, advanced STANDARD cams, heated fuel rail (dont start your bull shit. you know who you are lol ),torsen lsd, lovel super lows and koni adjustables, which didnt make a difference and a ralliart exhast setup (two straight through mufflers) rear tyres were pumped up to 50 psi, front were 40 psi, and i had around a 2.2 second 60 foot. it is a 3.0l manual exec, that had all street trim, minus 2 subs, still had one sub in it (10 inch) and the 2 amps with the spare tyre. i was frequntly running 15.1 second quaters with 205/65.r15 tread. then i changed the leads, plugs, timing belt (would make no difference) and did a fuel filter and oil change to 5w30 oil and it ran a 14.94. with the new tyres it ran 14.8 (they are cheap diamond backs), although the rims are much heavier the the old 15's. this is all done on townsville dragway, which is slightly uphill (i kid you not). car has 240k on it atm, but had 235 when it ran the 14.8.

i found that the konis, low springs and lsd made sfa difference in my fastest times, but it did make it easier to launch. but with practise, you can do it just as well on standard equipment, so long as you dont get any axel tramp or wheel spin.

edit: the car also has an exedy hd clutch, but a standard one would be as good, just not for as long.

i know i can get into the 14.7 or a little less, if it want a 30 degree humid night.

:facepalm STOCK STOCK STOCK I said!!! Not going to get into the 14's stock sorry. By stock i mean tyres, suspension, everything! Of course a moded magna can do it and i never disputed that.

An auto Ralliart 'can' run a high 14 stock with a decent driver... because i did. This was before any mods were completed too. POST #34
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84422&p=1349913&highlight=#post1349913

Don't believe me... vrx-kid saw first hand how fast my 5 speed tippy Ralliart was driven correctly. He had a black 02 VRX 3.5 manual and i smacked him by car lengths every time. 0-100, 80-140. I'm pretty sure he was getting 15.2's in his so he was very surprised when I left him for dead every time.

Kurts' is moded and i do not dispute his time or any others who have achieved great times with some skill behind the wheel and simple mods such as extractors and exhaust.

Zahrim's TE exec was running mid 15s (3L V6 exec). >>> I do not dispute this. 15.5 is around the mark of realism.

97verada :D thanks for the slips... good work!

I'm sure I could run 14.5 if I had the same work done.

Engine Modifications: N/A
-K&N Panel Filter
-Chiptorque XEDE ECU
-AFR Raised to 13.0
-Tuned to 98 Ron BP Ultimate Fuel

Thought you were comparing stock?

See some proper stats: http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/A_55022/title_Ralliart-Magna-Blasts-onto-Scene/newsarticle.html

I got my stock manual VRX 131kw atw to run 14.9 first run ever. Cook the clutch and times got slower. With a interceptor on the stock engine had 136kw ATWs and car did a 14.6 No other mods at all.

Magna's are quick as stock. Quicker than a stock V6 commo (yet slower off the line) and equivalent to a stock falcon,sub ba.

The issue is pushing further. Mods apart from charging may make a mid 14 car but that's 5k alone. Even charging will yield a flat 14.

Awesome stock platform but no cheap upgrade scope.

There are a few i6 fords running mid 13's with little mods. No mags running that.

These are not Q mile machines, but can give a crack

IMO 18" wheels will slow you down unless they are expensive light weight ones.
Hence my avatar. The Enkei i have now are only slightly heavier (under 1kg each) than the standard Ralliart ones, which is impressive considering they're 18x8 verses 17x7, with what i would consider heavy tyres.

Quick tip BTW, if you want to reduce weight, don't buy new Goodyear Eagle or Bridgestone Adrenalin. Very heavy tyres. The Eagles are incredibly heavy. One of them almost equals my Enkei + Tyre.


So, do you guys think it's possible for an auto Ralliart with sunroof and a heavy driver to do a 14?
Remember that i can slam the accelerator from a stop with traction off without spinning. Actually, is it faster with or without traction on for a run?

I'm sure I could run 14.5 if I had the same work done.

Engine Modifications: N/A
-K&N Panel Filter
-Chiptorque XEDE ECU
-AFR Raised to 13.0
-Tuned to 98 Ron BP Ultimate Fuel

Thought you were comparing stock?

See some proper stats: http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/A_55022/title_Ralliart-Magna-Blasts-onto-Scene/newsarticle.html

I was talking stock... i didn't mention a 1/4 mile time done when mine was modded. Everything was stock when the 14.8 run was done.

Old article life which has been proven wrong time and time again. FACT: You need to remember the fact that some Ralliarts didn't have no 7 cams as specifications claimed so they were generally the slower ones. No one actually knows which ones got them so that explains that not all Ralliarts had 180kW at the engine, some had 174kW. This evidence explains why so many guys out there got different times with in their Ralliarts in comparison with one another. My theory is that the models after 100 possibly missed out as the Ralliarts with higher build numbers have generally posted slower 1/4 mile times. But its just a theory mate.

Plenty of manual Ralliarts have done the quarter in low, mid and high 14s and my auto Ralliart... when it was 'stock' if you'd read carefully, did it in 14.8. Never got to take it down the track after mods were done but in comparison i wld assume it wld have achieved mid to low 14's purely on the power increase.

I wish it was easy to check a ralliart for number 7 cams :(
I know an auto vr-x is quicker then a 190kw sv6 manual. Just putting that out there.

I got my stock manual VRX 131kw atw to run 14.9 first run ever. Cook the clutch and times got slower. With a interceptor on the stock engine had 136kw ATWs and car did a 14.6 No other mods at all.

Hey EGO, a little confused on how you can be only losing 32kW from the engine to the wheels to give you 131kW stock in a VR-X with 163kW at the engine??? A dodgy dyno read maybe? Stock VR-X 3.5L Manual will give you varied results between 118kW and 128kW at best without any mods. 123kW at the wheels is usually par for these. Something has to be wrong there???

I remember seeing some old vids of your VR-X on utube with Jase(TZABOY) running quarters and you were getting low 15's (15.3)and your best was 14.9 with those sneaky susp/exhaust mods.
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4629/4myego2005.jpg (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/4myego2005.jpg/)
I'm not saying your telling porkies but i know your suspension, exhaust system wasn't stock etc... you're car was also d-winged... that's minus 0.099 of a second minus there! lol (only joking about the difference) so... not really stock Jase.
I'm being realistic mate, pick up a general VR-X man or auto completely stock and run it down the quarter or on a dyno, low to mid 15's and between 118 to 128kW at the wheels at most (123-4kW@wheels avg auto) completely stock. Man around the 124kW - 127kW mark with absolutely no mods.

Here are some individual dyno's of 3rd gens. Pay particular attention to those that are UNMODIFIED in any way.
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64197&highlight=dyno
See:
-Blackbird post #14
-HRD2GT post #23
-Ben23 post #33

I know this is an old thread but I've got a manual tl es that ran a 14.96@95mph.. And that's a legit 100% stock fagna with 210,000 on the clock,ill dig up the time sheet and post it