hey guys... i dont drive a magna, but my car sure does have a motor out of one in it lol. ive got a 95 sonata levant, with a G6CT (6G72) engine... auto box... i cant seem to get my hands on a manual gear box from hyundai so...

does anyone know if the manual box out of the 3.0 v6 magnas will bolt up to my motor without many hassles?

I reckon it'll bolt up. How would the ecu go though? That could be the hard part i reckon

I reckon it'll bolt up. How would the ecu go though? That could be the hard part i reckon

well the ECU in the sonata is stuffed anyway... so would most likely go after market when i put the new box in anyways...

You'll probably need the TCU to go with it unless the sonata's used a different ECU+TCU in one??

Don't mean to put you off your project but would you ever think about selling the Sonata and moving over to a manual V6 Magna?

sounds like a good idea to me :P

haha nah... i love my car... you's probably seen it gettin around bris...

http://www.sonataspeed.com/images/levant4.jpg

What a waste of money and time that would be. The gear box is only the start, we quoted a auto to manual conversion on a Paj and it ran close to 10,000.

What a waste of money and time that would be. The gear box is only the start, we quoted a auto to manual conversion on a Paj and it ran close to 10,000.

Yeah but thats using over priced genuine Mitsubishi parts and high price labour lol . Could prolly do it for around 3-4 grand I recon.

There is just so much involved it's not funny.... If you could get the parts secound hand that would be a start but man it's a huge job.

Okay, what's your thoughts on this then? Dropping the Mivec 3.0 into a car that's already a manual. They only came with a tiptronic 5 speed.

Okay, what's your thoughts on this then? Dropping the Mivec 3.0 into a car that's already a manual. They only came with a tiptronic 5 speed.
go for it i rekon redav
only thing stopped me from getting it was the fact u had to have such a highly priced ecu to be able to run it, $4000 minium and then there was the installation and the engine itself

so for money v's power gains wasnt worth it i found out

go for it i rekon redav
only thing stopped me from getting it was the fact u had to have such a highly priced ecu to be able to run it, $4000 minium and then there was the installation and the engine itself

so for money v's power gains wasnt worth it i found out
Definately not cheap but it's the best base to work with and it's all N/A. Anyway, I've just been doing some more invistigation into spare parts which is proving interesting. Did you determine that you had to go a full EMS or could the stock ECU work? Did you look into spare parts at all?

yep it is a definate that u need full aftermarket ecu,
nething from aultronic, haltec and up,
u need something with heaps of options, caz the aultronic is $3500 alone then $1500 installed and tuned,
the engine so forth all good to bolt up even to the manual, but the ecu from the half cut definatly WONT run a manual so other way round it is to put a tiptronic gearbox in

yep it is a definate that u need full aftermarket ecu,
nething from aultronic, haltec and up,
u need something with heaps of options, caz the aultronic is $3500 alone then $1500 installed and tuned,
I'd probably go Haltech. Did you actually speak to an installer? Any idea if the loom and plugs and stuff would all fit up?


the engine so forth all good to bolt up even to the manual, but the ecu from the half cut definatly WONT run a manual so other way round it is to put a tiptronic gearbox in
Which is no fun. That was the other idea I had. Drop it in until funds and time identified a solution. The front cut would have all the bits so essentially a straight swap. Did you ever go look at the cut? If so, did you get photos and what's condition is the cut and engine in?

heltech is bout $2-300 more, not too much, personal prefrence.
yeh spoke to an installer, the mivec half cut i seen a few times now, it aint too bad looking like no leaks anywhere or nethin
u get the wiring loom with the half cut but because yur getting the new ecu everything has to be rewired any ways so they just use it and add extra wires where they need em

Who did you speak to about the install? How familiar are they with Mtisu hardware? Have they done any DOHC or Mivec conversions on other Mitsu cars before? Were they genuinly interested in doing a conversion or were you just picking their brains? Did you start the engine up? Any idea how many km's it had done? Anything you can shed some light on?

well i spoke with a fair few ppl,
the mivec engine i looked at i never actually seen running, they are a mitsibishi place deal with nothing else, also spoke to another importer place that were about to have a mivec imported aswell, so there are a few around
every one i spoke to were all very helpful not just out to make a few quick bucks caz they've done work on my mates cars before and done a good job

And had they known of anyone who's done the swap? What places did you go to and what was the other importer. Any idea on what they would ask for the engine, (or was it a front cut too?)?

was rowlands imports, didnt ask for a price
spoke to chip torque bout the new ecu installation
engine swap was just goin to be a mechanic mate of mine
just mistys is where the half cut is at the moment, down at labrador

Did you work out whether the EMS could control both Mivec and MVIC? If you went Haltech, which model would you use? You know, it might be a pretty exy upgrade but it's a pretty decent gain over our 3.0's.

yeh could control everything needed
not sure on the haltec model, cant really remember but i know it was one of the newer ones out

Probably the most important question which has been missed is does the sonata run a 24V 6G72 or 12V 6G72. We all know both engines share the same block, but are mounted oppersite ways in the engine bay, and adversley, run diffrent gearboxes as well.

And yes teh haltech will run the mivec engine as well
Yeah, knew that. I was more worried about the MVIC and which model should be chosen. With Mivec / VTec, how is it operated electronically? I mean, is it continuous voltage to maintain the use of the other lobe like an on / off switch?

You'll probably need the TCU to go with it unless the sonata's used a different ECU+TCU in one??

I'm a goose, I just realised you're talking about a manual box :bowrofl:

Forget my comment about the TCU.

Manual box will be hard to find, I'm checking out acdelco because they remanufacture gearboxes/engines for heaps of cars.

I'll let you know what I find because I'm after one too.

Meh, why would it be such a waste of money? Labour aside, the parts wouldn't be that much, let's say roughly 2k for a remanufactured gearbox, lines, pedals, clutch and the little bits and pieces. After that it's the labour that would be expensive and then getting it engineered would be pricey. I agree with the post above prolly about 3-4k 10k is crazy.

And a waste of time and money is in the eye of the beholder really. People say modifying magnas is a waste too ;)

I'm a goose, I just realised you're talking about a manual box :bowrofl:

Forget my comment about the TCU.

Manual box will be hard to find, I'm checking out acdelco because they remanufacture gearboxes/engines for heaps of cars.

I'll let you know what I find because I'm after one too.

Meh, why would it be such a waste of money? Labour aside, the parts wouldn't be that much, let's say roughly 2k for a remanufactured gearbox, lines, pedals, clutch and the little bits and pieces. After that it's the labour that would be expensive and then getting it engineered would be pricey. I agree with the post above prolly about 3-4k 10k is crazy.

And a waste of time and money is in the eye of the beholder really. People say modifying magnas is a waste too ;)
im talkin bout a 3ltr mivec in my car here,
i dont rekon the manual conversion from auto would be a waste, but i was talkin bout how much power u willbe gettin from the amount u have to spend to get the mivec running

im talkin bout a 3ltr mivec in my car here,
i dont rekon the manual conversion from auto would be a waste, but i was talkin bout how much power u willbe gettin from the amount u have to spend to get the mivec running

Ah sorry mate...I meant what fresian cows said..not you...I typed the wrong name in!

Ahhh..I need more sleep...brain = fried

Yeah, sorry guys, I'm the one who's confused the thread a little. Probably should have carried on as PM's. Doesn't matter. KB, why do you need a new tranny?

Mine has needed a rebuild long before the conversion...so I'm looking into it now as it'll be getting done after suspension.

Okay. Hey, and idea if there's an LSD available for your model?

for 1200 bucks you can have a tosion bias diff made up from a mob down in sydney. they are a rotor mob so they are going to be plenty strong for the V6's

hey guys... i totally forgot about this thread! but thanks for all ur help... i can most likely get the manual box fitted for nothing, so the only thing i gotta worry about is gettin the ECU tuned to suit the new box.

There is also a Cusco unit which is a bolt in if you are using the 3000gt FWD manuel gearbox only as well.

Dave, this unit wont fit onto the magna V6 manual box? If not, are 3kgt boxes hard to source and will they fit into the maggie bay while retaining the same cv driveshafts (lenghts and all)?

Also bek, check to see if yours runs a separate TCU, as the auto 2nd gen magnas did. If yours does...then there's no need for tuning, you just disconnect the TCU and off you go.

killbilly, the 3kgt gearbox won't fit a 3rd gen because the engines e-w not w-e. But it will fit your 2nd gen v6, but it would be 4wd so would require some extra work :) 4wd 2nd gen ... would cost to much down the back :(.

Did ze Diamante come out in AWD back then? If so, see how they did their floorpan. But yes, it will cost a bit of the folding.

killbilly, the 3kgt gearbox won't fit a 3rd gen because the engines e-w not w-e. But it will fit your 2nd gen v6, but it would be 4wd so would require some extra work :) 4wd 2nd gen ... would cost to much down the back :(.

Im not talking about a 3rd gen...I was talking about my car, which is what dave was talking about too.

Im not talking about a 3rd gen...I was talking about my car, which is what dave was talking about too.
I shoulda read more of the thread ... go the six speed ;) ... you should get the 4wd conversion priced ... might be an interesting project!! :)

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Greetings All.

Would you HAVe to go full aftermarket ECU if you wanted to convert a MIVEC to manuel? Couldent you get someone to 'modify' the origanal ECU? Arn't aftermarket ECU's banned or something?

Cheers,
--Tonba
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Greetings All.

Would you HAVe to go full aftermarket ECU if you wanted to convert a MIVEC to manuel? Couldent you get someone to 'modify' the origanal ECU? Arn't aftermarket ECU's banned or something?

Cheers,
--Tonba
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it is a must not only for the mivec but also to run the manual
yeh aftermarket ecu's are illegal

After market ECU's are perfectly legal if you have your vehicle engineered.

In fact just about anything is legal, the mod just has to conform to the ADRs AND you have an engineers certificate to prove that they do!! :)

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Greetings All.

Wouldent you be able to use the fabled 3.5 MIVEC (if it comes in a manual) ECU, then piggy back a computer to it to override the air/fuel maps etc?

Food For thought,
--Tonba
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Ok, you could possibly use the auto ECU.

The main thing that would cause a problem would be the ignition retarding on auto shifting (this is done to reduce shock on the tranny). Basically you should be able to use an auto ECU on a manual, if you can 'fake' the pressence of an auto xmission (some trick circuit work required)

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Greetings All.

Really . . . Hmmmmm, Would It be expencive to do? Could It damage the ECU?

Cheers,
--Tonba
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Not really, All you're doing is faking the pulses that the TCU would send.

Hey, Tonba. If you're planning on boosting a Mivec, I'd only be using low boost. If you want high boost, I'd forget about it and just use the SOHC.

After market ECU's are perfectly legal if you have your vehicle engineered.


Not true.

I've rung the RTA (NSW) to find out for sure..and I rang a few times to make sure as well.

A car with an aftermarket programmable ecu cannot be registered. Period.

NSW, dunno what other states are like

same in qld, emissions. because it can be well within for the rwc but then well out 2 hours later and running alot more power

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Greetings All.

Wouldent you be able to use the fabled 3.5 MIVEC (if it comes in a manual) ECU, then piggy back a computer to it to override the air/fuel maps etc?

Food For thought,
--Tonba
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from what i've seen, 'fabled' is the word, there is no Magna/Diamante with a 3.5 (6G74) MIVEC... there were Pajero Dakar race versions with MIVEC (in 3.5, 3.8 and 4L forms) but no cars yet... there is 6G74 GDi though, and 6G72 MIVEC... but no 6G74 mivec :cry:

and none of the diamante (3rd gens) came in manual... only auto (according to jap websites, which could have some translation problems)...

from what i've seen, 'fabled' is the word, there is no Magna/Diamante with a 3.5 (6G74) MIVEC... there were Pajero Dakar race versions with MIVEC (in 3.5, 3.8 and 4L forms) but no cars yet... there is 6G74 GDi though, and 6G72 MIVEC... but no 6G74 mivec :cry:

and none of the diamante (3rd gens) came in manual... only auto (according to jap websites, which could have some translation problems)...
Yeah. There's also a DOHC GDi version of our 3.0 and a DOHC 3.5 which came in the Proudia.

Yeah. There's also a DOHC GDi version of our 3.0 and a DOHC 3.5 which came in the Proudia.

And the 8A80 4.5 (?) V8 was in the proudia too ;)

very good class... and there is also a 6G71 (2L V6) and a 6G73 (2.5L V6 - not booya's old contraption!), both of which come in DOHC, GDi and MIVEC (not too sure if the '73 did in MIVEC) variations.... the most famous being the 6G71 MIVEC that comes in the FTO GPX with 140kW!!

now back to the 6G74 questions....

the most famous being the 6G71 MIVEC that comes in the FTO GPX with 140kW!!
Isn't that that 6A12?

6A13 MIVEC 2.5l V6 was the 150kW motor, found in the FTO GPX
There is a 6A12 MIVEC 2.0l V6 as well, not sure of power output.

There is a 6G73, 2.5l V6 that was found in the Diamantes.

6A13 MIVEC 2.5l V6 was the 150kW motor, found in the FTO GPX
There is a 6A12 MIVEC 2.0l V6 as well, not sure of power output.

There is a 6G73, 2.5l V6 that was found in the Diamantes.
I think the 2.5's were in the Galants and not the FTO's.