Hi,

Just wanted to ask, if the TJ VR-X is lower say than a standard TJ Series 2 ADvance?

I have an Advance and lowered it 2 inches all around.

I want to do the same for my TJ VR-X as well, shave around 2 inches off all around.

Anyone have any suggestions here or tips/pointers. The 2 inches were fine on the advance. However I've noticed the front still looks high (despite not being high) which I think is due to the much larger wheel arches up front as opposed to the rear.

PS: Maiden post here. Cheers.

Boosty

first off, welcome to the club!

and yes, the VR-X is lower than a standard Magna (Exec, Advance etc)- only by an inch or so, give or take (someone can correct me on this- from memory King Lows are 1.5" lower than standard and super lows are 2.5" lower than standard)

2 inches will "look" lower on the VR-X than your Advance because of the flares the VR-X kit has- and it WILL be lower because of the kit too. as for the front looking higher on your Advace, you're correct- it looks higher coz the front wheel arch is a lot bigger than the rear. i've got about a 2.5" drop all round on my car, and the wheels are slightly tucking on the rear whereas there's approximately a 20mm gap between the wheel arch and tyre

one more thing, was your Advance manual or auto, and is your VR-X manual or auto? the weight from the auto gearbox will bring the front down a bit, there's a few fellas here in sydney with super lows and in manual spec, and their cars seem to look higher than mine up front

Welcome to AMC mate.

A stock TJ VR-X is about 10-15mm lower than a regular model.

You're right about the front wheels - the arch is higher so the front looks higher than the rear.

King Lows lowered my VR-X about 40mm. Check my Members Machine thread (link in sig) for pics. It's a pretty nice height - a little lower would look nicer, but I suspect it'd become too impractical.

One more thing, was your Advance manual or auto, and is your VR-X manual or auto? the weight from the auto gearbox will bring the front down a bit, there's a few fellas here in sydney with super lows and in manual spec, and their cars seem to look higher than mine up front

Hi, thanks for the welcoming. The Advance is an automatic. I've been thinking a fair bit over the weekend about the lowering. I dont want the car to have a slant forwards sort of a look. I'd rather have the real wheels burried under the guards, and the fronts just on the guards. This way the weight distribution of the car would remain level. However, I need to still decide.

Also, you mention "Super Kings" or "Kings". I am taking it that this is the brand. Also, where did you guys go to do your lowering. I went to Pro Fix last time, they seemed ok. Any other suggestions for workshops that can do this?

I'll try and attach some pics shortly. Plus I gotta update my signature too, lol.

Also, Red, I agree, I dont want it too low that it becomes unpractical either, thats a good point. Plus who wants to get defected too, not me!

Cheers fellas.

Boosty

King Lows are basically the lowest springs you can get for the rear of a Magna (you can get Lovell Superlows but they're only 5-10mm lower). If you still want to get it tucking rim you're going to have to look at coilovers or custom springs.

If you want to lower it and remain legal, you won't be tucking rim. The lowest part of my VR-X (the front 'cap' of the side skirts) is probably about 110mm off the ground (although my tyres are smaller than standard, which affects this slightly).

Ok, so what have we all agreed here? I am guessing its "King Lows" all around. Do I specifiy the height or is it all predetermined? Ie 1.5 inches, 2 inches etc?

Boosty

It's a predetermined height. Lowered my VR-X 40mm.

From a base model, the rule of thumb is that King Spring Low SP = 30mm drop, King Lows = 45mm, Superlows (front only) = 60mm.

Again, King Springs and KMAC do custom springs if you want a different height, or you could look into coilovers.

King Lows are a predetermined height, should be the 1.5" drop from original springs (not sports/VR-X models, so it should be a half inch drop up front for the VR-X?), Kings Super Lows are about a 2.6" drop or something but only for the front. You'd have to get custom springs for the rear if you want that type of drop, I have KMAC springs that have a custom height on them to suit the front height.

King Lows are a predetermined height, should be the 1.5" drop from original springs (not sports/VR-X models, so it should be a half inch drop up front for the VR-X?), Kings Super Lows are about a 2.6" drop or something but only for the front. You'd have to get custom springs for the rear if you want that type of drop, I have KMAC springs that have a custom height on them to suit the front height.

Hi, I've just booked the car in for tommorow, and I spoke with the guy who is getting in 4 x Kings Super Lows. He said the guy said they are around a 45mm drop. I was looking at the members car section, some guy called Annesse who had a red/orange vr-x and went super lows all around. It looked good.

Is there a difference between asking for Kings Super Lows or Lovells at all? I've ordered the Kings brand?

As long as the car comes down in height thats my main concern.

Currently from the top of my front wheel to the wheel arch, there is like 8cm or so gap. The rears, about half that.

The guy was also saying, keeping the 4 springs all the same, should keep the car on the exact same level as it is right now. Agree/Disagree?

Thanks fellas, you guys are an awesome help.

Update: Ok, I just went and measured it all, and from the tops of the wheels to the guards, were talking a 50ml gap on the rears and a 70ml gap on the fronts. Hope that helps. Note I do have 18 inch wheels with 40 series tyres on already which is probably why the gap is big.

Hi, I've just booked the car in for tommorow, and I spoke with the guy who is getting in 4 x Kings Super Lows. He said the guy said they are around a 45mm drop...
The guy was also saying, keeping the 4 springs all the same, should keep the car on the exact same level as it is right now. Agree/Disagree?
Kings only make Superlows for the front, not the rear. Check their catalogue (available on their website) if you don't believe me.

45mm drop is Lows. So either you're getting Lows all round, or you're getting the Superlow front/Low rear combo, which will drop the front more than the rear.

The difference between Lovell and King springs are their height and how firm the springs are. From memory Lovell's Super Low springs are firmer and slightly higher than Kings.

From memory, and I forgot about this beforehand, Lovell's provide a Super Low all round combination...

Hi mate, I just called em up again (they must hate me by now) and have decided to just go King Lows all around. I've ploughed through these forums and every onesays the SUper Lows people carnage the **** out of their undercarriage etc, so to be safe, I'll go the King Lows all around.

As long as my VR-X goes lower than where it is now, I'll be somewhat happy.

And as for stiffness of ride that people talk about, it couldnt be as bad as my old R33 Skyline on Coilovers, now that was a bumpy bouncy ride.

I'll post some before and after pics with measurements once its all done.

Cheers,

Boosty

Honestly the only problems I've had with my super lows were the faulty front struts. Now I've had it all fixed and replaced I can say that I have no trouble going around town etc. If you had gotten SL's you'd have to keep in mind that it is pretty low and there are some places you'd have to be careful of. But after driving with SL's for a while you get used to it and it becomes second nature to slow down for big speed bumps and steep driveways.

Honestly the only problems I've had with my super lows were the faulty front struts. Now I've had it all fixed and replaced I can say that I have no trouble going around town etc. If you had gotten SL's you'd have to keep in mind that it is pretty low and there are some places you'd have to be careful of. But after driving with SL's for a while you get used to it and it becomes second nature to slow down for big speed bumps and steep driveways.

Its funny, my wifes Magna TJ Advance is lowered and I always go up driveways on angles etc, and now that I got my VR-X I have the same driving style but in all honesty theres no need for me to drive like that given my car is high anyway. But I have heard if you go too low on your coils, you can over time damage things like your driveshafts and shocks etc because of the angle they are on or something. Dont quote me though.

Like I said, I'll measure the car properly tonight from Ground to Guard, before and after shots and see what the difference is. I pray it comes down from the current VRX height by at least a good inch to inch and a half.

Boosty

Like I said, I'll measure the car properly tonight from Ground to Guard, before and after shots and see what the difference is. I pray it comes down from the current VRX height by at least a good inch to inch and a half.
I took some before and after (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49982&highlight=) shots of when I had mine lowered.

It's not going to slam it on the ground but I think you'll be quite happy at the outcome.

I've got Kings lows in mine and they work out great. Looks better and is still functional around town and firm when flyin through corners.

Other wise
http://www.surface-grinder.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Angle-Grinder.jpg
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http://www.toperformance.com.au/car/spring.jpg

I took some before and after (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49982&highlight=) shots of when I had mine lowered.

It's not going to slam it on the ground but I think you'll be quite happy at the outcome.

Just checked out your pics, they look good, and yes, noticably different. Trouble for me is I already got 18's on it now, so I think the wheels look smaller than the stockys to be honest. But, I'll know in a day or so. Cheers. Oh and JarRah, I'd never cut springs ever, lol, just asking for trouble with that.

Well this is all done now, lowered on King Lows.