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AussieMagna
09-06-2003, 10:16 PM
Just thought id post pics of my brand spanking new splits.
will write up a tech article on removing door trims and fitting front speakers etc as soon as uni finnishes.
Here are some sneakers anyway
TBuTcher
09-06-2003, 10:18 PM
Where you putting tweeters? and the split unit thingie?
Haydn
AussieMagna
09-06-2003, 10:21 PM
I only just finnished it (9.30pm) and was working by candle light.
I mounted the tweeters on the dash where those circular things are, will get pictures during the day time.
As for the crossover, i mounted that in the boot with the amps.
TBuTcher
09-06-2003, 10:26 PM
Nice... cant wait for more pics
Haydn
sola|2a
09-06-2003, 10:28 PM
can't wait till u post the tec article :D
and y not one for installing a HU... i m wondering what is the best way to solder my wires from the HU to an aftermarket harness ??
AussieMagna
09-06-2003, 10:31 PM
Coz i never had a digi cam when i installed the head unit.
No worries, when i upgrade my HU i'll do one :D
WhiteVRX
10-06-2003, 08:47 AM
i got them splits!
what they sound like amped up?
i only have mine running off the HU
AussieMagna
10-06-2003, 06:23 PM
They are bloody powerful and kick royal ass!
Love them to death, so crisp and clear. There is a massive difference off an amp, i tried it off the deck when i cut the stock cabling. Worth getting an amp, don't have to get anything super powerful, just something with about 50-60wrms.
Manual
10-06-2003, 06:27 PM
or go out and buy a huge beast :D
hey blake - let me guess which speakers are the stockos and shich speakers are teh new ones in the top pick :D
i got dibs saying the black fabric speakers were teh stockos!! haha
Yes - speakers will sound heaps better with spilts.
As for SolaIja - mate try and get an aftermarket harness adaptor - save alot of mucking around !! have posted about this elsewhere before!!
Manual
TBuTcher
10-06-2003, 06:28 PM
What a set of them cost? (Splits)
Haydn
Night
10-06-2003, 07:26 PM
Erm.. Just looking at the pics, did you just drill new holes into that white surround thing??
Also, did you lay new wiring through the door or use stock wiring?
AussieMagna
10-06-2003, 07:44 PM
I used new wiring, real heavy duty stuff that was a bastard to get through the dog leg...
I had to re drill the holes as the speaker mounting holes dropped slightly short. They sit great.
They retail for 399 but i worked them down to 310 which was good.
Night
10-06-2003, 07:45 PM
Btw, I believe the RRP on these are about $399
BOosted' BOoya
13-06-2003, 06:29 AM
Strathfield are having a "Sale-a-Thon" and a quick browse reveled that i, and you for that matter can get em for $229 + p/h to your house
sorry to break the bad news to you blake ;)
i might get a set of these while there 'cheap'
;)
http://www.strathfield.com/Product.asp?ProdID=295
**EDIT**
D'OH! my mistake, there the set before blakes splits :oops: :oops: the sale price is still $399 for the exact ones blake has :oops: :oops:
sowwie.. :cry:
AussieMagna
13-06-2003, 07:46 AM
I went to strathfields and they had them for 339, tried to get them down but they wouldn't budge. Oh well.
Im happy either way :D Beat Retail.
sola|2a
13-06-2003, 12:50 PM
Manual,
yea i am aware of the aftermarket harness.... thanks for that.
but i dunno exactly how to solder it to the wires at the back of the HU.... have absolutely NO CLUE :?
1994TH
13-06-2003, 12:56 PM
I picked up a set of Kenwood Spilts about a year ago for $150 brand new. They sound bloody good. The only problem is they are running with Kenwood 6x9s in the rear that arent to flash. The 6x9s seem to distort a bit at real high volumes. Cant afford to replace them just yet as i am getting the muffler done first.
Manual
13-06-2003, 01:01 PM
Manual,
yea i am aware of the aftermarket harness.... thanks for that.
but i dunno exactly how to solder it to the wires at the back of the HU.... have absolutely NO CLUE :?
If you have the A/M adaptor - u don't need to solder!!
If u don't then it is a case of lining up the wires and soldering them.
Or do u mean u don't know how to solder??
Manual
[quote:29e128313f="sola|2a"]Manual,
yea i am aware of the aftermarket harness.... thanks for that.
but i dunno exactly how to solder it to the wires at the back of the HU.... have absolutely NO CLUE :?
If you have the A/M adaptor - u don't need to solder!!
If u don't then it is a case of lining up the wires and soldering them.
Or do u mean u don't know how to solder??
Manual[/quote:29e128313f]
its not always a case of solder pink to pink and yellow to yellow tho :) make sure you solder the correct wires to the correct places!!!!
Manual
13-06-2003, 03:22 PM
Sorry yes - thats what i meant - on the H/U it should describe which colours mean which wire - and if u have a gregory's or maynes manual then that will tell u what the factory wiring colours are!!
just line them up and it is easy!!
Manual
sola|2a
13-06-2003, 03:24 PM
Manual,
the last time i solder was in yr7... working with LEDs :roll: ... i want to do a good job so i really needs some tips
i made an enquiry b4 regarding installation of my Pioneer DEH-P55550MP... and Night helped me out alot but pointing me to one of these by Aerpro...
http://www.aerpro.com.au/cgi-bin/product.cgi?pcode=AP7011
according to Night, i would need to solder this to my HU??!
so would i need to do soldering for these? or r there other harnesses that DON'T need soldering?? i just want the job to be as simple as possible
thanks in advance
nah i reckon you would have to solder all of them as there doesnt seem to be any standard wiring convention or plug that will fit in all stereos - they seem to be proprietary..
just buy one of those adapters, and it would usually have a description of what colour wire connects to what on the mitsubishi loom - ground, speakers, constant positive and switched positive, arial etc and match the right ones up to whats written on your deck, get some heatshrink from dickys and slide some over the wire before soldering, then heatshrink it and you will have a nice clean good looking install :)
good luck
TBuTcher
13-06-2003, 03:43 PM
Just twist the wires and then wrap in glad wrap :D
Cheap backyard job takes like a few seconds. :P
Haydn
Manual
13-06-2003, 03:55 PM
Hmmm, looking at that - you will probably have to attach those wires to the wires out the back of the wiring loom of your H/U.
All you need to do is liune up the right wires - which should be outlined with the H/U and the tech manual and then solder them - if u can solder the LED's these wires are easier!! all u gotta do is use the soldering ironm to heat the wire hot enough to melt the solder onto the wire - easy as !!
Manual
sola|2a
13-06-2003, 04:11 PM
nah i reckon you would have to solder all of them as there doesnt seem to be any standard wiring convention or plug that will fit in all stereos - they seem to be proprietary..
just buy one of those adapters, and it would usually have a description of what colour wire connects to what on the mitsubishi loom - ground, speakers, constant positive and switched positive, arial etc and match the right ones up to whats written on your deck, get some heatshrink from dickys and slide some over the wire before soldering, then heatshrink it and you will have a nice clean good looking install :)
good luck
thanks GuRu for such a quick response
i am a TOTAL NUT regarding wiring and stuff... so let me get this rite...
along with the HU is a harness that should connect to the back of the HU... it has wires labeled ILL, Battery, ACC, Mute, System Remote Control System etc... (its pretty neat with tiny japanese characters :) ) so the aftermarket harness should be soldered to the end of this harness rite?
in terms of the soldering process, is heat shrink like a tape kinda thing? should i wrap it around ONLY the exposed wires and not overlap the plastic insulation?
thanks ppl for helping me out... :D
sola|2a
13-06-2003, 04:16 PM
wow i took so long to write my post that Manual helped answer my enquiries already....
u guys ROCK :D
i was also reading some guides regarding soldering and they also mentioned heating the wire to make sure they were hot enough? wat exactly does that mean? i remember having to use the iron and placing it on some solder coil, hence depositing some melted solder onto the tip of the iron... is that what u mean? or heat the actual wires on the loom and harness with the iron (doesnt sound rite) ??!!
[-o< THANK YOU ALL
Manual
13-06-2003, 04:26 PM
OK a couple of things:
Yes - you will need to solder those two harnesses together!!
heat shrink - use either this or insulation tape - works equally well - you just slide it onto the wire prior to connecting them / twisting them / soldering them and when the wire has been soldered - you just put it over the wire and use a ciggie light **a flame one** to heat the tape to shrink it tight on the wires - or else like i mentioned just use insulation tape / sparky tape.
If u are soldering - u r not using a soldering rod any more - you use a soldering iron - this normally will have a pointed tip that you use to heat the wire up to solder melting point - the solder should normally come in a wire type of form - very malluable and easy to melt - make sure it is the wire that melts the solder andnot the soldering iron otherwise you get a dry join - you want a wet join - just hold the soldering iron on one side of the wires and using the solder press the wire against the iron - like a sandwich - the solder is one piece of bread - the iron the other and the wire is a filling - the wire when hot will melt the solder very rapidly - and it shouldn't take long to join the wires together.
Allow to cool and wrap with either heat shrink or sparky tape.
Did this make senses??
If not - which parts need clarifying - I will try and explain further.
And as for twisting and using glad wrap - he is pulling your leg - don't let me catch u doing this!!!
Manual
TBuTcher
13-06-2003, 04:30 PM
Sola
Heat shrink is like a sheath... it is a condom with a hole both ends...
you put it over the wires and push it out of the way.
you then strip the ends of the wires and expose about 5mm of wire.
you gently heat the wire with the soildering iron and melt the solder onto it.
do the same with the other wire you want to join. (dont need to thread on the heat shrink on this one)
Then you simply overlap the two 5mm soldered wires and then gently heat them together ...they will melt into one.
Aftert that you slide the heat shrink over the 5mm exposed and soldered section and apply heat to the heat shrink (hair dryer, heat gun, ciggy lighter) ...be carefull not to BURN the wires with the naked flame
And your done :)
PS bet by the time I write this some one else has beaten me :D
Haydn
TBuTcher
13-06-2003, 04:31 PM
Yes I was kidding about glad wrap ... but people did use to twise and wrap with electrical tape... not as good for conducting as soldered is..
Damn I knew some one would beat my reply... (damn phone call 1/2 way through slowed my typing :D)
Haydn
Manual
13-06-2003, 04:38 PM
Yes I was kidding about glad wrap ... but people did use to twise and wrap with electrical tape... not as good for conducting as soldered is..
Damn I knew some one would beat my reply... (damn phone call 1/2 way through slowed my typing :D)
Haydn
don't worry mate - my original reply - i thought i was the first to reply - i posted and holy - there are already 4 replies before mine - bugga!!
Manual
sola|2a
13-06-2003, 04:40 PM
by the time i finished digesting Manual's post, Haydn answers my next set of enquiries.....
u guys r just amazing .... :D ...i am getting a real clear picture of what i have to do ...... thanks Manual and Haydn
Manual
13-06-2003, 04:43 PM
hey we r here to help and to make it any clearer would involve us reaching through your coputer and doing it for u!! haha
Glad to help mate!!
sola|2a
13-06-2003, 04:51 PM
:lol: "The Ring" style ...
i will post my progress once i start getting my hands on it... wont' be anytime soon though... the semester has officially ended but i still have 3 assignments and 2 exams to go :evil:
THANKS HEAPS anyway guys....
Manual
13-06-2003, 04:53 PM
Good luck with assignments, exams and stereo!!
Manual
TBuTcher
13-06-2003, 05:12 PM
Good luck with assignments, exams and stereo!!
Hang on a second....
DAMN he beat me again.....
#SHOUTING like Basil Faulty in "Faulty Towers"# MANUAL !!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :lol: :lol:
Haydn
Manual
13-06-2003, 05:30 PM
#SHOUTING like Basil Faulty in "Faulty Towers"# MANUAL !!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :lol: :lol:
Haydn
Don't even start u mongrel!!
Manual **not pronounced manwell**
TBuTcher
13-06-2003, 05:56 PM
:) :D :lol: \:D/
Haydn
Night
13-06-2003, 10:12 PM
Hey... sorry, haven't been in for a while...
Umm basically, After Market wiring harness will have wires labelled... Find the wire from your new HU (using the manual for the new unit if you need to) and join the wires...
Joining: Got a few options... you can get connectors which usually crimp together (basically get something that resembles a plug, shove two ends of wire through and use a crimping tool to connect..) or you can solder and COVER the join... (You don't want exposed wires floating around anywhere...)
Soldering: A few ways to do this, I find this method a bit easier.. use whatever you feel comfy with... bend ends of wires into hooks or question marks.. hook them together.. heat up the wire with a solder iron first (makes it easier to apply solder later).. with solder iron still in place, melt solder onto the iron and it should melt down onto the joint...
covering exposed wires: If soldering and using shrinkwrap PUT THE WRAP ON FIRST! there's nothing more irritating than making a great joint and then realising you forgot to put shrink wrap on it before hand... As for applying it, just slide it over the joint and then heat using whatever... lighter (keep the wrap above the flame, not in it!), solder iron, heat gun... whatever.. Some people use hairdriers I've heard..
Your other option is electrical tape, but over the years it tends to go a bit icky and unravel itself... Really don't advise you use electrical tape unless it's a two week job or so...
Once it's all in, connect it up to the harness, give it some power and see if all goes well... after making sure it all works, _then_ mount it and everything... A bit of common sense, but we all forget (Something like forgetting to put a screw in can sometimes mean ripping the dash apart again....)
Sorry if this seems like an essay.. I'm not sure what people have written, but it's probably something along the same lines.. Hope your install goes well =)
sola|2a
14-06-2003, 01:32 PM
thanks Night for the tips :D
with regards to the connectors that u were talking about, where can u usually get them? would they be a better or equally good option compared to soldering?
Manual
14-06-2003, 03:46 PM
the connectors can be baught at any car shop or electrical store - cheap as chips - but soldering has a better finshi and less chance of breaking apart.
Manual
Night
14-06-2003, 06:43 PM
In terms of SQ, apparently, there's no audible difference if joined correctly, but this is what other people have said. I suppose I just like using a solder iron since I have the solder and iron already...
Other arguments have been that a soldered joint may be stronger than a crimped one... could be a bad thing, however, if someone breaks in and litterally rips the HU out... at least if you can crimped connectors it may not cause as much damage, or so the story goes... I don't think it really makes a difference... Go with whatever you're comfortable with...
Manual
14-06-2003, 06:52 PM
... Go with whatever you're comfortable with...
i agree - we have given you options pick which you feel best with
Manual
MagnaLE
14-06-2003, 09:18 PM
Also, if you use electrical connectors (use the proper clear insulated ones...not the cheap ones) it can make it easier for you to change the H/U or take it out and hook it up to another OEM harness adapter when you get another car!
Just my 2c worth...
TBuTcher
14-06-2003, 10:16 PM
If you are going to use connectors then you may as well use the male female type..
either Buller ones or spade ones, Make sure you get insulated ones... That is the female part of the plug (the one that is a hole) has a cover of plastic all the may to the end.. therefore no exposed part of the plug when you insert the male part.
hehe sounds rude :D
This way is probably the easiest as you then can simply unplug it if you change the HU later.
M2c... actually you are up to $14.35 atm as I have replied a few times.
Haydn
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