i understand that quite a few people have installed HID light into their cars.

I'm looking at installing 35w 6000k HID into my H4, in my TL.

I've noticed that there is a 2 types of ballasts, one which has CANBUS and the other without.

Does the TL magna have CANBUS?

I can't find much info on this but on what i have found on the internet is conflicting. One says to run the CANBUS and the other doesn't register the TL with CANBUS.

Any ideas??

TL magna is not a CAN-Bus system.
what sites you looking at?

ok i had to back track a fair bit, the site doesn't say that the TL is can-bus system, but when you fill out the details to find out what system is for your car. The results are ballasts that are compatible for CAN-bus.

http://www.delonixradar.com.au/hid-xenon/car-hid-lights/#carsearch

I've looked up for a TE and it's non CAN-bus.

Garry just to let you know it's a waste of time and money trying to fit open globe type HID's into the TL headlight,i've been through it a couple of years ago and the results were terrible when put on a headlight alignment machine,the_ash can back me up as he was the one who did the install.

define terrible?? what happened?

define terrible?? what happened?

probably the same thing that happens when you put hid into a 380...hid globes throw a different pattern to a normal globe and the light just scatters every where...

oh that's gay... so i guess the option for HID is no more...

if HID aren't a option, what's the recommended choice for light upgrade for the TL then.... can the wiring handle it if i was to choose stepping the lamps to a higher wattage?

Stock wiring is piss-poor - so much so that you'll even see lighting improvements on the stock bulbs by adding relays and better wiring. You would definitely need to upgrade the wiring if you wanted overwattage bulbs.

A set of Philips Xtremepower +80 bulbs is a good improvement over stock, and would work even better in conjunction with a wiring upgrade. They are the same wattage as stock so upgraded wiring is not a necessity.

Depending on your needs, you could consider keeping regular bulbs in the H4, and going HID in the high beam. I don't have a TL so I can't comment from experience though.

thanks Red Valdez, i searched around and decided to get the PIAA super plasma GT-X.

i can understand the problem with the HID dispersing, but i would still like to know how bad it was on the TL. I've read that some people have performed the conversion but no one has actually written up about their results

Pretty much what maggie3.5 said the light goes everywhere with lots of hot spots and if i had have driven it at night people would have been constantly flashing there high beams at me.

The closest you would get to actual HID is by using Philips crystalvision bulbs. They have a nice white light. And if used with a relay kit, should better again.

thanks for your input everyone, i understand why the HID lights would have a erratic light disperse as the actual globe itself doesn't have a deflector as the design of the reflector is made for globes that have a deflector. But what if i was to make a deflector onto the HID globe. Obviously it wouldn't touch the globe but it would be close to it. ( not sure how i'd make one but it's a what if question )

The phillips crystal vision seems great. But i've bought PIAA super plasma GT-X. Just waiting for them to arrive, they are rated at 5000k. Although they are the same wattage as factory 60/55w. They claim it's equivalant to 135/120w.

i found a dude in australia that were selling them for $220. (without postage) But look on ebay and i grabbed them for $88au. (with postage)

The exact same globes... talking about mark up

HID bashing is hardly deserved, look at my car before (12k hid) & after (6k HID with projector). After is when i retrofitted projectors into my headlight, can you honestly say light pattern changed that much?? How about "erratic beam pattern" really annoying hot spots, where??????
http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af244/e363ma78/Frontview.jpg

Really man i had every single globe in my car, i have to say ill select HID over normal globe any day

I challenge anyone in Sydney to come past & take photo with their Phillips globes at the same street, in the same location, with the same camera (in the same mode)

they say a picture is worth a thousand words. The 6K looks heaps brighter. What do you mean retrofit with projector?

Can you fit projectors in to the headlights of a TL?

Andrei, note that the original question is about TL headlights, which are obviously different to TJs. I've heard a few people now say that HIDs in TL/380s aren't that great. I have HIDs in my TJ and don't mind them either, but it's not a direct comparison.

HID bashing is hardly deserved, look at my car before (12k hid) & after (6k HID with projector). After is when i retrofitted projectors into my headlight, can you honestly say light pattern changed that much?? How about "erratic beam pattern" really annoying hot spots, where??????
http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af244/e363ma78/Frontview.jpg

Really man i had every single globe in my car, i have to say ill select HID over normal globe any day

I challenge anyone in Sydney to come past & take photo with their Phillips globes at the same street, in the same location, with the same camera (in the same mode)

we're not bashing HID's... i for one am a fan of them, and fit them to customers vehicles at the shop.
the OP's vehicle is a TL which has a radically different reflector design to your TJ's headlight and as such when a HID is fitted can never be focused correctly.... i really should have taken pics of the result on the headlight alignment machine when we tried the conversion on tysons TW... it was $%^@ing woeful

ideally we want this: (but set 1 degree lower)
http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad78/the_ash_1/Image002.jpg

Yes my bad, sorry didnt realize we were talking about TL

hi guys

I installed the PIAA super plasma GTX. All i can say is that they are really super super shit! The light that hits the road is alot whiter than my previous globes (which were Narva blue power/osrams) But the intensity of the light was crap. The narva/osrams had a stronger light and shone further.

The next globes i'm looking at getting are philips xtreme power.

i feel dumber for getting the PIAA

Live and learn i guess,could you try for a refund?

I have fitted the Philips Extreme globes into my TL, they are brilliant! Especially in poor weather! I just quickly throw in this while we are on the subject of HID, those after market systems are illegal in Victoria. I am not sure about other states. When the head light wires have been sliced, they will consider unsafe and un-road worthy. Check with your local authority before go ahead. They will pick you up really quickly soon as they see the colour your lights. Once they pull you over, you are IT!

I installed the PIAA super plasma GTX. All i can say is that they are really super super shit! The light that hits the road is alot whiter than my previous globes (which were Narva blue power/osrams) But the intensity of the light was crap. The narva/osrams had a stronger light and shone further.

The next globes i'm looking at getting are philips xtreme power.
I hadn't heard of the PIAAs before, but I guess that's why they aren't popular. I'm sure you'll enjoy the Xtremepowers a lot more.


I just quickly throw in this while we are on the subject of HID, those after market systems are illegal in Victoria. I am not sure about other states. When the head light wires have been sliced, they will consider unsafe and un-road worthy.
Aftermarket HIDs aren't legal Australia-wide.

Are you sure about the second part though? Theoretically, that'd mean that adding relays/bigger wiring to your headlights would be illegal. Obviously your chances of getting pinged for that with standard halogen bulbs is very slim, but still..


Check with your local authority before go ahead. They will pick you up really quickly soon as they see the colour your lights.
If you install aftermarket HIDs, 4300k bulbs are the way to go. Not only does it give you optimal lighting, but it's the same as what's used on factory-fitted HID kits. If you blend in with other HID-equipped cars, you have much less chance of being busted for them. It's the fools with their 8000-12000k kits that are really asking for trouble.