Hey guys,

Just a quick rundown on my situation. I bought a new remote dongle for my car last week as my old ones have both had it... After thinking programming it would be a simple process (I still believe it IS...) I just can not get the car to enter programming mode to assign the new remote.

So far I have tried 2 ways. The first was the way specified in the manual, where you turn ignition ON-OFF-ON-OFF etc etc until the indicators flash to let you know you're in programming mode. After reading a few threads, I found that this method does not work, and there is another way to do it, as quoted below.


And when you do get a new remote and wonder why the hell following the instructions in the car manual won't get the car into programming mode, follow these instructions:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/605/remotecontrolimage148o.jpg

The 'data link connector' (or OBD) is under the dash on the drivers side -- more towards the centre console, slide your seat back and have a look with a torch

Ground pin 1 of the OBD plug as shown in the picture (pin 4 is ground -- so jumper pins 1 & 4)
from this thread >>> http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88017&page=1.

Now even trying this method, I could not seem to get the car to enter programming mode! It's pretty freaken frustrating!

Now, I'm not sure on this, but I saw it suggested in another thread... If the maximum 4 remotes had been programmed at once, the car will not enter programming mode?

I personally think that's crap, 'cos when you enter programming mode and program new remotes, it clears off all the old remotes that were programmed to it... :nuts:

So, what I'm asking basically, is if anyone knows ANOTHER way to program the remote, or if anyone has had this problem before and overcome it...

Cheers,
Matt

Which remote did you buy (i.e. what does it look like?) and where from?

One of these >> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GENUINE-MITSUBISHI-KEYLESS-ENTRY-REMOTE-VERADA-SIGMA-/330562150781?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf70a217d.

It's the correct remote afaik - same as my old ones - 2 grey and 1 red button. But it's no use if I can't enter programming mode in the first place to find out!

Have you tried grounding Pin 1 to Actual Earth, and not Pin 4 just incase for some reason Pin 4 is not Earthed??
And 100% sure it is Pin 1 you are Grounding??

I am 100% sure it is pin 1 I am grounding. I will try connecting it to actual earth soon if I can find a longer piece of wire somewhere! I did actually think of that, but the wire I was using was too short :P

Hey Blazin'

Sorry to hear you are still having trouble with this...

Just so you know, I bought 2 remotes from that seller on eBay for my 1998 KF Xi and they work perfectly, so they should program fine when you manage to get your 1997 KF Xi into programming mode.

The only other way of programming a remote that I know is to take the car to a Mitsubishi dealership so they can program it with a MUT-II device.
The MUT-II plugs into the OBD, and as far as I am aware to program remotes it grounds pin 1 (so pretty much the instructions above achieve the same thing) -- can anyone confirm this?

I never had a problem programming remotes into my KF. . hmm. .

Using what method MR SPL?

Using the ignition key from memory. Had no problem at all as my car had no remote when i got it. Ended up finding one in my spare draw at work and it programmed perfectly

Hey Blazin'

Sorry to hear you are still having trouble with this...

Just so you know, I bought 2 remotes from that seller on eBay for my 1998 KF Xi and they work perfectly, so they should program fine when you manage to get your 1997 KF Xi into programming mode.

The only other way of programming a remote that I know is to take the car to a Mitsubishi dealership so they can program it with a MUT-II device.
The MUT-II plugs into the OBD, and as far as I am aware to program remotes it grounds pin 1 (so pretty much the instructions above achieve the same thing) -- can anyone confirm this?

Cheers, yeah, I know I could prob take it to Mitsi and get them to do it for me, but I'd rather save the $$ lol.

MR SPL, I wish mine would work that easily :(

I'll hunt down some wire and try grounding it through the chassis tomorrow arvo, and let yous know how it goes!

Blazin'...in fact it's quite true that the BEM/ECU sets a limit on how many remotes can be programmed to each car. A dealer can reset the BEM using their hand-held computer.

Read here: http://martybugs.net/magna/remote.cgi

@stroppy
I'm not sure I understand your post?

The page you linked to applies to TH-TW Magnas & KH-KW Veradas, not necessarily applicable to all third gens (Blazin's is a KF Xi).

For example, I own a KF Xi and I know that you cannot get the car into program mode by using the 'turn the ignition between ACC and IGN three times' method (it may work for KF Ei's but definately not for KF Xi's).

Yes, I agree that there is a limit to the number of remotes you can program at once, but according to that page 'once you place the car into program mode, it will forget all previous remotes' -- which means that you are free to program more remotes up to a max of (the page says 4, but I have only ever been able to program a max of 2 remotes to my KF Xi at once -- I actually have three remotes (1 old & 2 new) and can program any combination of the 3, but only two at once (that is, I can program the old and a new, or a new and a new, but not all of them -- so I have a spare unprogrammed remote in my cupboard).

It is a flawed approach to tackle this problem from the point of view that Blazin's remote won't program.
It's not that his remote won't program, it's that he cannot get the car into program mode (which is signalled by the doors locking and unlocking).

What Blazin' is asking for are methods for getting the car into program mode or an explanation as to why he can't get his into program mode.

Thus far suggestions for getting the car into program mode are:
(1) Turn the ignition between ACC and IGN three times (as described in user manual)
(2) Ground pin 1 of ODB (instuctions uploaded in previous post)
(3) Take to Mitsubishi and they will program with MUT-II

Explanations as to why he cannot get into program mode:
(1) Try earthing pin 1 to actual ground instead of OBD pin 4 chassis ground.

Does anyone know another method Blazin can try so that he doesn't have to pay Mitsubishi?

Wow, thanks karj - that pretty much sums up the whole thread in one epic post :)

I didn't get to try it today, I ended up having to do other stuff thisafternoon instead and only just got home, and really don't feel like doing anything with the car now haha. Tomorrow I'm pretty flat out with Work/Tennis, but I will try it eventually dammit! lol.

@Stroppy, yeah I knew that, but when you enter programming mode and enter new remotes, the car forgets the old remotes that were programmed to it... It would seem a bit silly if it would only let you program 4 remotes over the lifetime of the car without taking it to mitsi to be reset... (or would it.... lol, more $$ for them maybe :P) Other members have proven that this is not the case though, as they've programmed remotes numerous times without the issue I'm having. Thanks anyway though :)

@Karj...yes, I knew what he was getting at but was under the impression that the remotes were very similar, just cosmetically different, so to speak.

Blazin'...if it's any help...when my car was flooded out some time ago the security system went a bit haywire flashing codes in the trip computer screen...the works. I went to my local auto elec. and he wouldn't touch it with his version of a Mut-II and told me to go to a dealer. So, fearing the worst, I went along to Chadstone Mitsubishi here in Victoria and told them the whole story about the car being flooded...the weird codes in the trip computer...the whole shebang. The service manager smiled and said..."Let's take a look..."

He came to my car with his Mut-II and fiddled about with it...cleared the codes and reset my remote. I was really pleased and I turned to him and said..."What do I owe you?"

He replied..."Nothing...you've had enough of a rotten day without me adding to it!"

Just goes to show that not all dealers are money-hungry rotters. :)

@stroppy
Yeah, I see your point. I too used to think the remotes were similar... However, when I purchased my KF Xi mid 2010 it only came with 1 remote, so I asked the person whom I bought it from if they had the other. They gave it to me, explained that it was broken and that there was a quote in the glovebox from a Mitsubishi service centre for a new one...

The price quoted was $270... for ONE remote.
I thought this was ridiculus and that the dealer must have been trying to rip off the previous owner.

Anyway... I went to my local (different) Mitsubishi dealer and asked for a price for a new remote. He frowned at me and said 'that's the exepnsive one' and quoted a price nearing $300. I have no idea why the KF Xi remote is sooooo much more expensive than those green & red button ones, but I know that the KE Xi was the first to get the ETACS security system and has the same remote as the KF Xi so maybe the implementation of ETACS is why?

Anyway, about five months later a seller popped up on ebay selling them for $50. Bargain -- I bought 2 :D

@Blazin'
Yeah the post was slightly epic...lol

If physically earthing pin 1 doesn't work, your only option at this point seems to be take it to Mitsubishi. Hopefully you stumble into one of the 'good' service centres that stroppy mentioned.

You may want to start a new thread asking forum members for any recommended dealer service centres in your area (possibly where people have had remotes programmed for free :) )

I never had a problem programming remotes into my KF. . hmm. .

Jamie is your car a KF Xi or Ei ?...the reason I ask, is my wifes car is a KF Ei, and to enter program mode, I just turned the iginition key on/off three times and it works OK...I presume that the KF Xi may have been different, and also used a different remote...like the one on the ebay link in the earlier post. Incidentally I have one of those remotes, brand new, the led lights up when I press the button but it doesnt work on my wifes car. However the original on my wifes car is still a different three button remote, that is non serviceable.

My wifes KF Ei remote looks like this one...HERE (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MITSUBISHI-KEYLESS-ENTRY-REMOTE-SUIT-TF-MAGNA-97-99-/280657685706?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4158806cca)

Ahh, yes, that would be it! Jamie's is an Ei im 95% sure! That's why you can do it easily! lol hmmm...

Well, if I can't get it to work on Monday, I will be taking it to Mitsis to fork over some cash I suppose lol.

Blazin, what does it say in your car manual with regard to the programming of new remotes? I'm now guessing the manuals were the same for KF Xi and KF Ei, and therefore the instructions were generic.

Yeah, the instructions must be generic, 'cos it says to twist the key ACC-OFF 3 times to enter programming mode, which clearly doesn't work on the Xi's...

@stroppy
Yeah, I see your point. I too used to think the remotes were similar... However, when I purchased my KF Xi mid 2010 it only came with 1 remote, so I asked the person whom I bought it from if they had the other. They gave it to me, explained that it was broken and that there was a quote in the glovebox from a Mitsubishi service centre for a new one...

The price quoted was $270... for ONE remote.
I thought this was ridiculus and that the dealer must have been trying to rip off the previous owner.

Anyway... I went to my local (different) Mitsubishi dealer and asked for a price for a new remote. He frowned at me and said 'that's the exepnsive one' and quoted a price nearing $300. I have no idea why the KF Xi remote is sooooo much more expensive than those green & red button ones, but I know that the KE Xi was the first to get the ETACS security system and has the same remote as the KF Xi so maybe the implementation of ETACS is why?

Anyway, about five months later a seller popped up on ebay selling them for $50. Bargain -- I bought 2 :D

@Blazin'
Yeah the post was slightly epic...lol

If physically earthing pin 1 doesn't work, your only option at this point seems to be take it to Mitsubishi. Hopefully you stumble into one of the 'good' service centres that stroppy mentioned.

You may want to start a new thread asking forum members for any recommended dealer service centres in your area (possibly where people have had remotes programmed for free :) )

$270 ~ $300 for a remote....sheesh! :eek2: They probably cost $5 to make somewhere in China!!! Even if they were made here (which, I believe, is a possibility) surely they'd really only cost $20 to make.

I have heard that it is possible to get a "universal" car remote which comes with a set of manufacturer codes for various car brands, kind of like the universal remotes you can buy for tvs. For the life of me, though, I've never been able to track one down and I've not seen any on Ebay so I won't hold my breath trying to find one. There are a lot of Mits. remotes coming out of wreckers in Japan and the US so that might be a cheaper source of getting a genuine article.

As to the Service Manager who was a nice guy...yes, that was a really nice gesture on his behalf as I was having a real cow of a week back when it all happened. However, just two weeks later a neigbour of mine went to another "nearby" Mits. dealer and was charged $48 to "recode" her remote after the battery went flat. Imagine how angry she was when I printed out the "Martybugs" DIY coding instructions for her! I never thought a lady could swear like that! AND she went back to the dealer concerned to vent a little invective as well! I would have paid to be a fly on the wall!!!lol

lol stroppy, that would have been a VERY interesting conversation between that lady and dealer!
I know that another guy on a separate post in this forum was slugged $45 for programming... Lucky guy, $3 saving!

When I found out how expensive the remotes were, I seriously considered getting an aftermarket alarm fitted instead! But then found the cheap source on eBay.

Whenever I tell anyone about how expensive those particular remotes are, they always screw up their face and say 'Naaaah, you must have misunderstood or something, a remote wouldn't cost $300!'

But I have the quote to prove it...

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2161/quoteur.jpg

It's worse than I remembered! $305 back in 2008 (not $270).

@Blazin'
If you do end up being successful in programming or you take it to Mitsubishi, please let us know what was wrong. Cheers

No luck trying a different ground :(

Looks like I'll have to take it into Mitsi to get it done. Anyone in SA recommend a good place to go :P (North-East-ish preferred)

I work at a dealer and there alot harder to code sometimes depending on the car it self , most cars are a breeze though

I just got the remote also , and yes that remote is around $300 , its the same as the lancer evo 2/3 also

One of these >> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GENUINE-MITSUBISHI-KEYLESS-ENTRY-REMOTE-VERADA-SIGMA-/330562150781?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf70a217d.

It's the correct remote afaik - same as my old ones - 2 grey and 1 red button. But it's no use if I can't enter programming mode in the first place to find out!

Hi does any one know where i can get hold of these remotes as i can not find any , any where thank you liam

I contacted Mitsubishi and they want about $280 for them.

I think im just going to fit an aftermarket alarm to the car and use those remotes.