Hey guys i have noticed a few things why are most turbo/supercharged and really modified Magna's/Veredas only on the earlier models? is there something majorly different between the models performance wise? or is it looks wise? just curious as i haven't seen many highly modified TL/TW Models and would like to see what other people do to these models.... Cheers Chris.

Because the older car where modded before the TL/TW were made :) It the same as third gen but with a weird front :D So no reason why there mods wouldn't work for your car :)

The TE/TF and TH/TJ lines provide a relatively solid foundation (not all that different from the TL/TW) while still being cheaper to purchase outright, which I suspect is a factor. They also have more options for cosmetic changes, Paraboiic Headlamps, Ground Effects and Ralliart Kits being just a few examples. The TL/TW doesn't actually have any issues or reasons as to why you shouldn't mod it, as a matter of fact they're a very good car overall.

Of course I didn't look into any of that, it's just my 2 cents. lol

Because the older car where modded before the TL/TW were made :) It the same as third gen but with a weird front :D So no reason why there mods wouldn't work for your car :)

haha yes agreed with the weird front i was actually looking at making the front end unique looking for idea's anyone? i thought put metal sheets behind the grill and spray that black and above the lip as well and getting something fabricated for the bonnet? and i just thought there was a major power difference. is there even a power difference between the VRX model between the TJ and TL models? and i heard a few things are a tad different mechanically wise.

Have to remember there's a billion TE's-TJs for every TL-TW.

The older shape has also been around since 1996 and the TL/TWs weren't nearly as popular.

The TE/TF and TH/TJ lines provide a relatively solid foundation (not all that different from the TL/TW) while still being cheaper to purchase outright, which I suspect is a factor. They also have more options for cosmetic changes, Paraboiic Headlamps, Ground Effects and Ralliart Kits being just a few examples. The TL/TW doesn't actually have any issues or reasons as to why you shouldn't mod it, as a matter of fact they're a very good car overall.

Of course I didn't look into any of that, it's just my 2 cents. lol

Yeah i noticed there was a larger market for previous models for cosmetic changes wish they did it for the TL/TW models is there anyone with a TL/TW VRX that has been customized a fair bit would like to see it? there are a few ES TL/TW models been modified but it just isn't the same haha cheers Chris.

I wouldn't block up the grill as it a very bad idea as the engine will get decrease air flowed to things. Um the engine differ slightly I though? Only the ralliart engine got mods I though hmm upgrades to the engine is easy grab 380 cams :D

Have to remember there's a billion TE's-TJs for every TL-TW.

The older shape has also been around since 1996 and the TL/TWs weren't nearly as popular.

I understand that there were heaps more made then TL/TW models made but i don't understand why they were not so popular? they came out with both manual and auto standard 5 speed gearbox's Electronic Brake distribution a option of All Wheel Drive. 2 extra air bags totaling 4 better electrical goodies the only crap thing is the front end styling but besides from that the TL/TW i think its a great car!

I wouldn't block up the grill as it a very bad idea as the engine will get decrease air flowed to things. Um the engine differ slightly I though? Only the ralliart engine got mods I though hmm upgrades to the engine is easy grab 380 cams :D

I got told that but is there some sort of grill exchange i can do to make it better? i mean does it pop out or does it need cutting out? i would love a custom grill or something unique and as for 380 Cams i have decided to look for stage 2 cams they seem to be the way to go rather then upgrading to later model stock cams =)

380= ralliart cams for your info :) I never modded a TL/TW or a third gen :) Look through some TL/TW build thread.

380= ralliart cams for your info :) I never modded a TL/TW or a third gen :) Look through some TL/TW build thread.

I swear i learn something from being on the AMC forum every day haha and is there is a significant increase of power of these cams? when you say 380 do you mean the standard 380 cams are ralliart? as in the previous model Ralliart series? so would a 380 VRX or 380 GT Cams be any different curious. Cheers Chris.

Mate do you live under a rock lol It been discuses on the forum all the time lol I think all 380 had the same engine expect the TMR 380 which has a blower added. And it has an performance increase but you need a tune on the dyno to get the most out of the cams. If you wanted to you can install a 380 motor it fits and bolts up.

The TL/TW is also an acquired taste... personally I think it looks extremely phallic :P

I dont mind them but I still like the lines of a second gen :)

Older ones are cheaper, the TJ VRX looks allrignt and costs about the same.

Try the search function at the top right of your screen! I know your new to the forums but most if not all of the questions you have asked of late can be answered by doing a simple search. I would also advise you to download a manual and have a read of it, that will also help you answer a lot of questions you may have.

TJ VR-X is probably one of the best cars to come out of the magna factory. There are also plenty of TL/TW modded cars, most of the early sprintex setups were done on TL/TW's.

TJ VR-X is probably one of the best cars to come out of the magna factory. There are also plenty of TL/TW modded cars, most of the early sprintex setups were done on TL/TW's.

Ill continue looking into the My machines Section and look for heavy modified TL/TW models as im just looking for idea's really don't want to rush my mods as that's when you start to make mistakes i want to modify my TL right :)

As the owner of a stock TW the answer is simple, Warranty. The 5 year warranty only ran out last year, and the 10 year drive train warranty has roughly 3 years to go.

But then my plans for a few minor mods (stereo, wheels, suspension, tint) came in a distant third to replacing a retaining wall (10k) and my daughters school trip to Italy (5k).

As the owner of a stock TW the answer is simple, Warranty. The 5 year warranty only ran out last year, and the 10 year drive train warranty has roughly 3 years to go.

But then my plans for a few minor mods (stereo, wheels, suspension, tint) came in a distant third to replacing a retaining wall (10k) and my daughters school trip to Italy (5k).

Is it true if you modify your car under warranty its not covered once you modify it?

Ill continue looking into the My machines Section and look for heavy modified TL/TW models as im just looking for idea's really don't want to rush my mods as that's when you start to make mistakes i want to modify my TL right :)

There was a dude here, who just made some simple mods and pulled 150+ Front Wheel Kw.

Straight through Exhaust first.

Pacemakers Next.

High flow cat, Cams and an SKR tune all in one hit. 151.8Kw on 98 in a manual VR. Sound Good!

There was a dude here, who just made some simple mods and pulled 150+ Front Wheel Kw.

Straight through Exhaust first.

Pacemakers Next.

High flow cat, Cams and an SKR tune all in one hit. 151.8Kw on 98 in a manual VR. Sound Good!

the only modifications i have done is the Mercury Muffler no resonator and Hurricane Extractors will be looking to get 380 cams with a new ecu and Pod filter and hopefully ill pull a decent number can't really modify it majorly otherwise the cops will start hunting me down haha

I got told that but is there some sort of grill exchange i can do to make it better? i mean does it pop out or does it need cutting out? i would love a custom grill or something unique...

Not sure who's been giving you advice around this - but if you want an alternative look, try to find a pic or two of the Sprintex supercharged AWD TL. They fabricated some kind of a mesh behind the front upper grille instead of the standard grilles. How much success you would have doing this as a DIY job, I'm not sure. I wouldn't be in a hurry to modify your existing grilles, only because they're (ie. the VRX grilles, not the standard TL ones) fairly hard to come by and would cost you an arm & leg to buy from the dealer ($300+ each!).

And here's a picture of the AWD:
http://www.nextcar.com.au/n.sprintex.2005.magna.awd.05mar.html

Is it true if you modify your car under warranty its not covered once you modify it?

If you modify a component you 'may' void your warranty on that component. Anything that is not modified is still covered, unless what you change impacts on other components.

As an example if you replace the just the headunit, it is not covered by warranty, but if you blow your speakers because the headunit is more powerful than the original the speakers won't be covered either.

It is all subjective, and you can end up in some quite interesting discussions with the service/warranty people, regardless of manufacturer.

You know the factory ecu can be sent away for a retune? Plus there is a 380 sitting in the Salisbury wrecker :)

You know the factory ecu can be sent away for a retune? Plus there is a 380 sitting in the Salisbury wrecker :)

Yeah i know i can send it away but i can't afford to not have the car running for several days once this happen until i get holidays which wont be for a while :( and i think a aftermarket one would help me in this situation

An after market ECU has legality issues, and someone might go looking for it if they see a pod there.

No one can tell you had an ECU reflash, plus the cost is around 500 ish. Other wise you'll need to Buy the chip + Dyno time.

Ditch the pod and go the high flow cat, similar costs and performance gains with a flash, and you'll get to look under the bonnet and and it will appear completely stock.

Have a look through the dyno results, Big numbers, few mods, low expense from members like Element - Boozer - Type40.

If you want power with the wrong kind of attention, go it alone, and spend too much, gaining too little.

I've been here for few years now, and all the mods I've seen were arguable - expensinsive - illegal or worse. After that I was just going to leave mine stock, except for the muffler. But, then I saw the proven results for a minimum outlay, I joined in in my TW.

An after market ECU has legality issues, and someone might go looking for it if they see a pod there.

No one can tell you had an ECU reflash, plus the cost is around 500 ish. Other wise you'll need to Buy the chip + Dyno time.

Ditch the pod and go the high flow cat, similar costs and performance gains with a flash, and you'll get to look under the bonnet and and it will appear completely stock.

Have a look through the dyno results, Big numbers, few mods, low expense from members like Element - Boozer - Type40.

If you want power with the wrong kind of attention, go it alone, and spend too much, gaining too little.

I've been here for few years now, and all the mods I've seen were arguable - expensinsive - illegal or worse. After that I was just going to leave mine stock, except for the muffler. But, then I saw the proven results for a minimum outlay, I joined in in my TW.

well in that case i better get my ecu re tuned then...and as for the high flow cat i spoke to 4 different exhaust specialists and they all said with the setup i have now it wouldn't make a difference they said im better off keeping my stock Cat converter? and besides from the pod is there any helpful modification? without taking out the engine whilst almost looking stock? what about a throttle body? and does a stall converter require the engine been taking out or do they just do it from underneath the car? Cheers Chris.

well its a personal opinion but i have a TJ VRx i think they are the best model. they have all the features you want, the TL/TW front end doesn't look right , the rear of the TL/TW is awesome if they combined that with the TJ front then they would have had more of a winner in my opinion..

Having said that i have seen a white TW VRX and with the right wheels and mods they can look quite tasteful, But the TJ front was perfected being the last of that shape, i do like the KH verada with the chrome grille etc..the only thing i would change on my VRX is remove the wing on the boot..for a clean look, if i can get my hands on a clean bootlid in same colour i may do it.or if my wing gets damaged i may remove it all together, problem is getting all the holes etc welded up and taking away the original asthetics of the car itself..so i think the wing will stay!

well its a personal opinion but i have a TJ VRx i think they are the best model. they have all the features you want, the TL/TW front end doesn't look right , the rear of the TL/TW is awesome if they combined that with the TJ front then they would have had more of a winner in my opinion..

Having said that i have seen a white TW VRX and with the right wheels and mods they can look quite tasteful, But the TJ front was perfected being the last of that shape, i do like the KH verada with the chrome grille etc..the only thing i would change on my VRX is remove the wing on the boot..for a clean look, if i can get my hands on a clean bootlid in same colour i may do it.or if my wing gets damaged i may remove it all together, problem is getting all the holes etc welded up and taking away the original asthetics of the car itself..so i think the wing will stay!

Just a curious question? are the front end interchangeable? i have heard of commodores and falcons doing front end swaps? would require allot of modifications but can it be done? i actually really like the TJ lights rather then the TL/TW lights i assume the parts you would need is TJ front bumper, bonnet and allot of messing around with the front fenders? only reason i would do this rather then buy a TJ model is a like the features and interior of my car and if it did a front end swap would make it unique =)

The TE/TF and TH/TJ lines provide a relatively solid foundation... They also have more options for cosmetic changes, Paraboiic Headlamps, Ground Effects and Ralliart Kits being just a few examples. The TL/TW doesn't actually have any issues or reasons as to why you shouldn't mod it, as a matter of fact they're a very good car overall.
I think that's the best possible explanation for it. There's more cosmetic modifications available for the TE-TJ series, since they were (arguably) more popular than the TL/TWs, and had a few styling revisions and sports models in their time. Once people are finished with cosmetic modifications, the next step is obviously mechanical modifications.

Given the mechanical similarities, there's no underlying reason why the TL/TWs seem less popular to modify. The stand-out model for modifying imo is the Ralliart, since it was the only model with a factory fitted LSD (and has the twin piston brakes, Koni shocks, etc). If you're going to pump big coin into a Magna, all the others are pretty similar bases to me.

I wouldn't do a TJ conversion on a TL/TW. The TJ shape is getting old. While I think the TJ VR-X is better looking than the TLs, it definitely looks dated in comparison - and trust me, I have a TJ...

I think that's the best possible explanation for it. There's more cosmetic modifications available for the TE-TJ series, since they were (arguably) more popular than the TL/TWs, and had a few styling revisions and sports models in their time. Once people are finished with cosmetic modifications, the next step is obviously mechanical modifications.

Given the mechanical similarities, there's no underlying reason why the TL/TWs seem less popular to modify. The stand-out model for modifying imo is the Ralliart, since it was the only model with a factory fitted LSD (and has the twin piston brakes, Koni shocks, etc). If you're going to pump big coin into a Magna, all the others are pretty similar bases to me.

I wouldn't do a TJ conversion on a TL/TW. The TJ shape is getting old. While I think the TJ VR-X is better looking than the TLs, it definitely looks dated in comparison - and trust me, I have a TJ...

Yeah i know what you guys are saying =) hopefully once i get my Ultra Blue headlight bulbs installed it will help allot. is there any company's that make aftermarket lights for the TL/TW Models? like as in what Commodores and Falcons usually get different styled headlights and tail lights?

is there any company's that make aftermarket lights for the TL/TW Models? like as in what Commodores and Falcons usually get different styled headlights and tail lights?Nope. It's all a question of ADR compliance, to make aftermarket stuff legally you'd have to get it ADR approved and the number of Magna modifiers compared to the glut of Commodores and Falcons means it's just not worth a company's while.
Who cares about ADR compliance you say? Well, if someone runs up your arse and you've got non-ADR taillights, it gives the other person's insurance company a perfect excuse not to have to pay up. Your lights were illegal and faulty, therefore they didn't see you brake, therefore it's your fault, so YOU probably have to end up paying for THEIR car!! Believe me, insurance companies will investigate every avenue before they'll pay, and if there's an outer they'll pursue it to the nth degree.

Though you could possibly do your own cosmetic modifications, provided it doesn't have any impact at all on the light output or visibility. eg., DIY fibreglass eyelids, just found this mockup online that shows how different it could look:
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/5979/newlookmagnaff9ir.jpg
And as the rear lights are pretty-much stand-alone circles, you could possibly paint or glass any bits that aren't light-emitting.

BUT I haven't actually bothered confirming this, try contacting your local department of transport etc., to get a final word.


if it did a front end swap would make it unique =) Not really, it would just look like a TJ?

I wouldn't do a TJ conversion on a TL/TW. The TJ shape is getting old. While I think the TJ VR-X is better looking than the TLs, it definitely looks dated in comparison - and trust me, I have a TJ...

Definitely this. When I got the TL I thought it looked like an obese Lancer/Peugeot, but the looks have grown on me.

Most plebs can't tell the difference between a TE (a fifteen-year-old car) and a TJ, so that's the benefit of the TL+.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd213/jdavi322/2011-06-01_15-31-02_420.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd213/jdavi322/2011-06-01_15-31-02_420.jpg

Gay, but is that an intercooler and piping I see?

Yes, it's supercharged with an intercooler...

hmmmm i dont mind that red thing above at all i say the best looking magna made is the tj vr-x and ralliart i know the tj is getting a bit out dated but not to keen on the front of the later magna's

This is the beast that had a rebuild on Moss St, Slacks Creek. Meant to have about 240 FwKw I beleive.

Oh and on topic, I had a choice between TJ's and TL/W's (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59172&highlight=Form), The 4 airbags, better steering, stronger reinforced doors, rear bar standard, and way better lights, won this family over.

IMO, The only standouts visually are the Ground Effects Kitted models and the bling models, Radas etc.

Over a stock TJ Exex and a TW ES, I'd take the TW ES. No way I'd take the Gonzo. lol

TJ11 VRX - thats another matter - but there the TL/W VRX

Oh, and rather than putting HID's in a TJ, ( nothing personal) I don't know why guys go the HID's over a Headlight Relay Powered directly from the battery, it makes a hell of a difference.