hiya, im new to this forum. i have a 1999 verada kf. i drained my transmission fluid by accident yesterday. however, i added in 5litres of transmission fluid bought from a mitsubishi dealer.

the main problem is i added a 5litre bottle of engine oil into it as well. There was still engine oil in it as i did not drain it. so i guess it now has like 10 litres of it inside. i have tried removing the sump plug but that shit is so tightly screwed on and i cant remove it.

the engine now smokes when it is turned on.

can i drive the car 1km to a mechanic and get him to remove the oil sump screw/plug?? the 1km trip involves goin up a hill for 100 metres , den its downhill all the way.

or if i cant drive it, what action should i pursue?:eeek::tired:

Walk to the mechanic and borrow a 1/2" drive ratchet and a breaker bar

i have a 24mm thingy fr the removal of the sump plug. its just that i cant twist it off. you twist the sump plug anti clockwise to remove it right? so would it be correct that if i were to come crawling from the front of the car , ill be twisting the ratchet towds the driver side wheel?
what would a breaker bar be?

Why did you add new engine oil before you drained your old one? If its 100 metres just drive it there, will be alright

erm, cos i tot i drained it when in reality, i had drained the transmission fluid .

The smoking is probably just spilled oil in the engine bay...

okay get it... what he means is go get a big ratchet from your mechanic the ones that have 1/2 inch drive, they are usually long so you will get much better leverage & will be able to twist it open.

yeah, i spilled quite a bit , cos i did not have a funnel and was lazy to go buy 1. lol ... however, there is smoke coming out of the oil cap, or at least ard it..... the drive to the mechanic is 1km away, shud i do it???

Your a twit, and should let pros to do it :P Just drive it top the mechanic. Have you refiled the transmission with fluid?

Hey bud.

Can you learn spelling and grammar before posting? It's hard to read and understand what you've done for us to give you any help. Not trying to be prick but I don't know what you've put where and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Cheers
-Alan

Hey bud.

Can you learn spelling and grammar before posting? It's hard to read and understand what you've done for us to give you any help. Not trying to be prick but I don't know what you've put where and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Cheers
-Alan

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LOL... @alan, allright alan, i shall type properly.

i have refueled the transmission fluid with 5 litres of sp3 transmission fluid bought from a mitsubishi dealer.

my main problem would be that the engine now has around 10 or so litres of oil in it
i have jacked up my car and tried removing the sump plug to no avail. i am unable to remove it is too tightly screwed on
am i able to drive the car to the mechanic that is 1km away? the 1km jouney consist of a 100 m uphill drive, followed by 900 or so metres down a hill.

Yea it will be fine, nothing is going to happen. Also consider getting aftermarket sump plug, its much smaller about 17mm from memory a lot taller so you can get socket in much deeper which will prevent shredding edges of the bolt.....

Just get the car towed to the mechanic & suck up the cost. Or let some oil out by removing the oil filter....this may be messy......check the level & drive it to the mechanic. lol

OK, so assuming from what I can read that you've overfilled your engine with oil and are having trouble getting the sump bolt off? Go and get a good quality 24mm ring spanner, I struggled for ages with a socket and started to round off the bolt, one go with a ring spanner and it came off quite easily.

hmmmm. yeah, i have also considered removing the oil filter to let out some oil. however , that is also very tightly screwed on. My housemate suggested punching hole through the oil filter with a screwdriver and using it as a leverage to remove the filter. How much oil will be removed by letting out some oil through the oil filter??

Regarding the aftermarket sump plug, where do i get this from? from auto stores like supercheap or repco? and what do i ask the person working there for??

thanks,
howie

pluss 1 with zero .dont drive it . if you have any weak seals .they may blow out costing heaps . drian some before you drive anywhere.

hmm... okok

right now, the oil level is about 5cm above the max mark in the dip stick.

I'd say if you are that clueless take it to a mechanic to service next time. Cars shouldn't be mucked around with if you don't have a clue.

Have you got vice grips and a mallet that you could use to try and undo the sump plug?

hmmm . i do not have vice grips. i have tried a hammer and a rachet, a hammer and an adjustable spanner and it still will not budge

wait. i just realised i have vice grips but it seems a bit small. the one i have looks like this http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.encorestore.com/catalog/6ln_lg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.encorestore.com/servlet/the-162/Vice-dsh-Grip-locking-pliers-tools/Detail&usg=__IDIatJnMTzqCYMEIz-oSsR3L0ks=&h=320&w=320&sz=10&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=_veoGM__Q9bbxM:&tbnh=145&tbnw=141&ei=erAJTv3vA46ivQOHgIXvAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvice%2Bgrips%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa% 3DN%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D1099%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=517&page=1&ndsp=60&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=63&ty=39&biw=1920&bih=1099

I'd be getting the excess oil out before running the engine.Yeah as said before if the plug has been rounded vice grips are your best bet.

okok.

if i were to get nrma road side assistace, would they tow the car to the mechanic because i added too much engine oil???

okok.

if i were to get nrma road side assistace, would they tow the car to the mechanic because i added too much engine oil???

If its anything like the RAA you get towed regardless of the situation.

I doubt they will tow it cos you ****ed up. Hahaha.

Whatever you do, DONT start it. If you have put another 5 litres of oil in it over the factory 4-5 it can do serious damage to your motor. You can cause it to blow oil control rings on your pistons. If you have over filled it as much as you have the crankshaft will be splashing around in the oil creating bubbles like detergent. It will airate the oil and cause minimal motor protection which can lead to serious failure of bearings and the like.

If you want it towed, try unplugging the key sensor ring on the ignition barrell. Just remember to plug it back in when they leave hahaha.

erm.... i read about the crankcase whipping the oil into a mayonaise like consistency and damaging the internals but will a short 1km drive be that bad?? like a 5 min granny drive. lol. im sorry if my reply sounds retarded but its cos im not too familiar with cars and such. i have only recently started learning about them :D

fellas he is only going down the road, man nothing is gona blow just take it there, car will driving for what 2 minutes

How is it physically possible to get the two mixed up?

i just bought this car and i saw two sump plugs and i didnt really know which one. i had a green wire red wire monent and i guess i chose the wrong wire. on my previous car, a falcon ef, there was only one bolt under the car and that was it. furthermore, the oil drained from the transmission fluid was all black with little sludge bits making me think it was normal used engine oil.

I guess we all have made noob mistake in our lifetime (iv lost count of my screwups)


the oil drained from the transmission fluid was all black with little sludge bits

Either way, black and lumpy Is usually not good

lol welcome to the club mrku.

Your best bet at getting this sorted will be using someone like Lube mobile or similar. Jump on yellowpages.com.au and get a mobile mechanic to come to you. Don't start the car. Its all well and good for others to say 'it will be fine', but if it ****s up, they aren't the ones paying for a new engine. ;)



Also, for the people who can't seem to understand what this guy has written, perhaps it is you who needs to learn english. Ive been using the english language my whole life, im no professor on the subject, but I have no trouble understanding someone who misses the occasional punctuation and grammer. Open your eyes, it's not that ****ing hard losers :disgusted


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lol welcome to the club mrku.

Your best bet at getting this sorted will be using someone like Lube mobile or similar. Jump on yellowpages.com.au and get a mobile mechanic to come to you. Don't start the car. Its all well and good for others to say 'it will be fine', but if it ****s up, they aren't the ones paying for a new engine. ;)



Also, for the people who can't seem to understand what this guy has written, perhaps it is you who needs to learn english. Ive been using the english language my whole life, im no professor on the subject, but I have no trouble understanding someone who misses the occasional punctuation and grammer. Open your eyes, it's not that ****ing hard losers :disgusted


EDIT: Mods, Vote +1 move to epic threads lol

:yeahthat: lol

wait. i just realised i have vice grips but it seems a bit small. the one i have looks like this http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.encorestore.com/catalog/6ln_lg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.encorestore.com/servlet/the-162/Vice-dsh-Grip-locking-pliers-tools/Detail&usg=__IDIatJnMTzqCYMEIz-oSsR3L0ks=&h=320&w=320&sz=10&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=_veoGM__Q9bbxM:&tbnh=145&tbnw=141&ei=erAJTv3vA46ivQOHgIXvAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvice%2Bgrips%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa% 3DN%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D1099%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=517&page=1&ndsp=60&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=63&ty=39&biw=1920&bih=1099

You would need the ones with a claw shaped grip. Those look like they will slide right off. You probably would have already tried this if possible but a rattle gun will probably loosen it. So I agree that road side assistance or mobile mechanic might be your best bet.

lol welcome to the club mrku.

Your best bet at getting this sorted will be using someone like Lube mobile or similar. Jump on yellowpages.com.au and get a mobile mechanic to come to you. Don't start the car. Its all well and good for others to say 'it will be fine', but if it ****s up, they aren't the ones paying for a new engine. ;)



Also, for the people who can't seem to understand what this guy has written, perhaps it is you who needs to learn english. Ive been using the english language my whole life, im no professor on the subject, but I have no trouble understanding someone who misses the occasional punctuation and grammer. Open your eyes, it's not that ****ing hard losers :disgusted


EDIT: Mods, Vote +1 move to epic threads lol

:yeahthat:

Mobile mechanic would be your best bet..

Spend the $100 to get him out to get the sump plug off and also while he's there, get him to SHOW YOU which is which!

Buy another 15L of Tranny Fluid - Do a proper tranny flush

Give him the oil and filter and tell him to do it for you!

SuFz

Ok,
Let me get the right series of events here

1. you drained the trans thinking it was the engine (unless you have a later model TH Trans this would have involved removal of plastic splash guards etc etc)
2. you then got some more trans fluid and filled up the trans again with 5l
3. while you were at it, you also put 5l of engine oil in the engine without first draining the engine

Ok, lets start with the trans. You need 5.5l for a drain and fill. YOu have used 5l and spilt a fair bit as well by the sounds of it so I would hazzard a guess and say your trans is very low, when the second issue is resolved check this please
Second, the engine.
*DONT take off the filter and run the engine, this is plain stupid as the engine is getting NO oil while doing this
*DONT use a screw driver through the filter, this can break the filter housing
*DONT run the engine at all, with 10l of oil in the engine the crank will be splashing in the oil and you can break the crankshaft

Get the car either towed or get a mobile mechanic out to drain the engine oil, put a new filter on and fill properly, warm up the engine and trans and check the trans level.

To be very blunt here, while giving something a try is always a good thing, leave your bonnet down please, I am not trying to offend you bt if you can not tell the difference between an engine and transmission AND you fill your oil BEFORE you drain it, you really should do some sort of course before you attempt to do any work on your car. We all have to start somewhere to learn but this can get very expensive very quickly if you do any of the above suggested ideas of draining the oil

If you insist on fixing this yourself, get a 24mm SINGLE hex or also known as a 6 point socket, breaker bar and remove the sump plug with that. If you want to change the plug whle you are at it, use one of a 380 as these are a 17mm plug and much easier to remove.

regarding the transmission fluid, i used a funnel and did not spill any this time.

hmmmm...okok , i will try to get my local mechanic to come up and inspect the car for me. thank you :D

Mal, what i think happened was he didnt realize that he drained transmission fluid at first, tranny fluid was black so he thought it was the engine oil. Hence he refilled 5 liters of oil back into the engine. Then checked oil level which showed it had double of what was needed, so then the obvious question was "what the hell did i just drain". Once realizing that it was tranny that was drained he put in 5 litres of oil back into the transmission..... So now he is stuck with 10 litres of oil in the engine since he cant undo the sump plug....

Mrku where are you located? I can refer you to my mech he also does mobile jobs.

where are you located mate?

if youre anywhere near my work at Blacktown i'll come round and look at it for you.

I,m sure you should turn clockwise to loosen the sump plug

I,m sure you should turn clockwise to loosen the sump plug

Not last time I looked . . . . .

http://img.tfd.com/wn/6B/1DD145-anticlockwise.gif

Disclaimer: Im not a mechanic, Im not a professional anything, any advice from me is taken at your own risk.

I sometimes get confused with which way to undo sump plug bolts while im sideways and the bolt is upside down, but yep, anticlockwise if you are looking straight at the head of the bolt.

Use a 6-sided socket if you have or can find one on tight nuts/bolts. A piece of steel pipe over the end of your breaker bar (or ratched if you want to risk breaking the ratchet) makes the handle longer and gives you more leverage, but will void the warranty on your tools. A 12 point socket can be put on in more different orientations and is generally ok, but you get grip across more of the flat rather than just the corners if you use a 6 sided one.

Clean the filter with soapy water and a rag, wipe with a not-soapy wet rag, dry, and use a jam jar opener on it if you don't have an oil filter wrench. Yes the screwdriver stab handle method can work, but if it doesn't work then you end up with an oil filter full of holes that you still can't get off.

Jacking the car up can help get access to the plugs and filter, do not go under a car held up only with jacks! Use axle stands as well incase the jack breaks while you are under it, or at the very least if you don't want to buy jack stands or large sturdy blocks of wood (tree stump size) put the spare tyre under the side of the car so you only get lightly crushed if it falls.

Did you put any engine oil in the transmission dipstick when you filled the trans again? It may need to be flushed, and maybe by a professional. Engine oil is a lubricating oil, and automatic transmissions work on friction. If the inside is too lubricated, it will probably slip badly.

Did you put any automatic transmission fluid in the engine oil filler cap? That might contribute to the smoke. Either fluid, spilled on or near the exhaust, will smoke from the engine.

If you can't get the sump plug out and you really want to do it yourself, you could try removing the sump itself. If you remove the filter you can get a few hundred mL of oil out, if the engine has 10L in it that would be a pretty time consuming process, removing and draining the filter, refitting it and turning the engine over a few times, then draing the filter again. Don't run the engine with no filter, im guessing the pump is after the oil filter and all that will happen is it will suck in air from where the filter was.

Depending on towing fees to take it to a workshop, a call-out mechanic van might be cheaper if you can't do it yourself.

http://picturestack.com/335/544/xpuenginesectlhz.th.jpg (http://picturestack.com/335/544/xpuenginesectlhz.jpg)

Even driving gently, its likely you'll get up to 2500-3000RPM, and the rotating components will be hitting the oil. When they're moving that fast, it will cause a fair bit of shock and stress to the components, and constantly hitting the oil can whip it into a foam/fill it with air bubbles etc, oil pumps are not designed to pump air and even though you have all that oil, if the pump is spinning in air bubbles and can't pump anything up to the heads they will have no lubrication.

Not last time I looked . . . . .

http://img.tfd.com/wn/6B/1DD145-anticlockwise.gif

If you lay on your back under the car looking up I,m sure its clockwise. (sump nut is upside down)

Lefty loosey righty tighty.

I would lol if PJUK was right though and schooled us.

If you lay on your back under the car looking up I,m sure its clockwise. (sump nut is upside down)

if you lay on your back under the car, it will be anticlockwise to undo....

hi guys, i got a mate to come over with a breaker bar but still couldn't remove the sump plug
Subsequently, i drove the car 300 metres to the mechanic instead.i realised that this mechanics was the nearest to my place after consulting google maps. i did the whole trip with my hazard lights on and at 20km/h, barely breaking 1500rpm . he removed the sump plug for me and drained it while seeming very amused with the predicament i got myself into.
i did not mix any fluids so i guess its all allright. The car seems to be working fine now. Also, its shifting much better now after the accidental drain and refueling of my transmission fluid

i really appreciate all the help and suggestions you guys have given . thank you so much.

i would also like to enquire whats the idling revs for the car in D positon? mine is at slightly above 250 rpm from the day i bought it which was about 2 weeks ago and seems to idle funny. my fuel consumption is around 13l/100km in sydney. Is my idling normal? i would also like to add that i just changed my air filter.

if you lay on your back under the car, it will be anticlockwise to undo....

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...The car seems to be working fine now. Also, its shifting much better now...
...i really appreciate all the help and suggestions you guys have given . thank you so much. ...
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Thanks for starting this post Mrku - I was in tears laughing until MadMagna got serious. I wish I was the mechanic that got to be amused at your minor mistake. And when you said that it was only over by 5cm, you probably only had it about 3l over filled at a guess. (Between the full and empty mark is about a litre.) I would have driven it like you did. Cant wait for you next car fixing adventure!

Why didn't you get the Mechanic to look at the Funny Idle?

And Please, Please, Please tell me that while you were under the car trying to take the Sump plug off, you were using some sort of jack stands.... and not relying on the Jack only.... Please....

lol, i forgot abt the idle ... hahhaha, was just too happy that i got the sump plug off.... yeah, i was using jack stands when i was crawling under the car. thanks guys for all the help :D

Mate,
Its good your learning and learning from our mistakes sometimes nessesary.

Having said that if there something your not sure about then do some searching on the subject on here first and if still unsure then put up a post and someone will have an answer.

Good on you for having a go.

Glad you got the sump plug off and can get your Magna running in healthy condition.

If you need it then im happy to offer advise on things that i know about with these cars.