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crackajnr
27-07-2011, 11:21 AM
Anyone know how much compression drop there is when you fit 380 heads and cams to a 6g74 .What i have read there is a compression drop when fitting these heads to a 6g74 due to the combustion chambers does anyone know what the difference is cc wise between the 2. I am boosting my engine so a compression drop is desireable just need to know by how much. I have sourced a pair of heads and cams.
Dave TJ
27-07-2011, 07:56 PM
Around 7.2-7.4:1. The 380 chamber is about 69cc, 3.5 chamber is 43cc, 3.5 piston dish is 22.5cc. Custom piston would solve the problem
Cheers Dave
Madmagna
17-08-2011, 12:39 PM
Using the specs
Bore 93mm
Stroke 85.8mm
Piston Dish 22.5cc
Combustion Chamber 69cc
I come to 7.1
I do not have the specs for the Head Gasket bore size, compressed head gasket thickness or the Deck Clearance so there will be quite a large variable there however it is still a long shot from the std 3.5
telpat16
17-08-2011, 03:11 PM
Using the specs
Bore 93mm
Stroke 85.8mm
Piston Dish 22.5cc
Combustion Chamber 69cc
I come to 7.1
I do not have the specs for the Head Gasket bore size, compressed head gasket thickness or the Deck Clearance so there will be quite a large variable there however it is still a long shot from the std 3.5
The total head volume per cylinder of the 3g75 (ie dish + gasket + cyl head vol) must be:
3828/(10*6) = 63.8 ml
Does the 380 have a dished piston? if so what vol?
If not then new CR for 3500 engine should be (assume same gasket thickness etc) (3497/6)/(63.8+22.5) = 6.75
If it does have a dish then (3497/6)/((63.8 - dish) + 22.5)
telpat16
18-08-2011, 08:08 AM
The total head volume per cylinder of the 3g75 (ie dish + gasket + cyl head vol) must be:
3828/(10*6) = 63.8 ml
Does the 380 have a dished piston? if so what vol?
If not then new CR for 3500 engine should be (assume same gasket thickness etc) (3497/6)/(63.8+22.5) = 6.75
If it does have a dish then (3497/6)/((63.8 - dish) + 22.5)
OR maybe I am wrong!!
I used CR = swept volume/chamber volume
Should it be (Swept Vol + Chamber Vol)/ Chamber Vol??
If so the calc CR comes to 7.24 for the 75 head on the 74 block
how about 3.5 block, 380 heads, and pajero 10:1 pistons?
75 uses a flat-top piston.
telpat16
22-08-2011, 09:15 PM
how about 3.5 block, 380 heads, and pajero 10:1 pistons?
Are you saying that Pajero is 3g74 with less dish in pistons to achieve CR = 10?
If so I will redo the calcs for that configuration
MattVR-X
23-08-2011, 09:27 AM
I wonder if you could do do 380 heads and drop in forged pistons, how much boost and compression you would end up running safely?
Seems like a good way to drop the compression for FI if you want to. Could always bring it back up a little bit with different pistons.
6G75 head on 6G74 block + Ralliart pistons = ?
Might be a way for OP to go?
Are you saying that Pajero is 3g74 with less dish in pistons to achieve CR = 10?
If so I will redo the calcs for that configuration
Not sure which part is different as to where its changed, http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64729
Dave TJ
23-08-2011, 07:44 PM
Hera we go like I said before standard 3.5 with 3.8 heads 7.2-74 depending if there is any facing
Ralliart 3.5 with 3.8 heads 7.4-74 " " " "
Pajero 10:1 3.5 with 3.8 heads 7.8-8.0 " " " "
Standard 380 6g75 3.8 with 3.5 crank 8.0-8.2 " " " "
The lower numbers are with standard block, heads & gaskets the high numbers are allowing for facing of the block and heads.
Hope this helps Cheers Dave
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