Hi guys just wondering if I could get ur opinions on a turbo kit for my verada n what power it will put out cheers

Do you have a spare $10k?

Do you have a spare $10k?

Well said, and add the extra $4000 for brake and suspension upgrades to get road legal

Do you have a spare $10k?

And would you like to put that $10k into a $5k car?

"And would you like to put that $10k into a $5k car?" . . . . Puts it into proper perspective, really.

$10K for turbo's
$4K for brakes and suspension

What are you guys on seriously. I know i am opening a can of worms by saying Turbo kits can be made up for a hell of alot less than the figures that get thrown around on here.I have proof of that personally my Twin turbo set up has cost me know where even close to $10k and Once completed my power increase is almost doubled from factory . As for brakes and suspension Brakes can be done for about $400-$500 and suspension for about a $1000.

Please break down your costs for the turbo conversion alone - bearing in mind the OP will probably need a trained mech to do the hard stuff for him

Could be done cheaper using a 4G63T from an Evo 5-9 and aftermarket ECU. You still don't get change out of 6k though. Add $350-580 for brake upgrades, $1000 for suspension.

I have nfi where you are getting $4k for brakes and suspension from? Firm springs and shocks as well as 380 brakes will be fine.

Would a supercharger option be cheaper option? Surely a supercharger would only be like 4-5k?

Would a supercharger option be cheaper option? Surely a supercharger would only be like 4-5k?

For parts alone - then you've gotta factory in the parts of the supercharger kit that don't get supplied and allow time for install, tuning, testing and overheads.

$10K for turbo's
$4K for brakes and suspension

What are you guys on seriously. I know i am opening a can of worms by saying Turbo kits can be made up for a hell of alot less than the figures that get thrown around on here.I have proof of that personally my Twin turbo set up has cost me know where even close to $10k and Once completed my power increase is almost doubled from factory . As for brakes and suspension Brakes can be done for about $400-$500 and suspension for about a $1000.

Once completed... Come back then. The amount of small ancillary costs in a turbo setup are astronomical if you're doing it properly.

One completed... Come back then. The amount of small ancillary costs in a turbo setup are astronomical if you're doing it properly.

Agree with Disciple, with cars it's not over til it's over. When you think it's almost over, it's nowhere near lol

Honestly I'd just buy a turbo charged car. You can pick up 96 skylines R33's for like 10k, with a bullet proof RB motor etc and thats car and all. Even if you spent $5k freshening things up, you got a great car.

Not dissing on the magnas but from a cost perspective this is better.

If cost is not an option and your totally fine with overcapitalising, then hey go for it. Its your choice.

But take a good read of half the threads on here where people have done turbo or supercharger conversions and theres always something that goes wrong, something needs fabricating etc, and boom costs go out of bounds.

My personaly advice is just get something already turbo charged and go from there.

Boosty

Once completed... Come back then. The amount of small ancillary costs in a turbo setup are astronomical if you're doing it properly.

I am doing it properly and i am running exactly the same set up as Mike (Blackbeard) I haven't cut any corners left things out ,just bought wisely and have done the majority of the work myself.

I know there is always going to be doubters usually poeple who haven't done it themselves but i guess i am the only one that really knows the cost of my install and i know its not even close to $10k .

I'm going to wade into this. What's the damage to do a highly tuned NA build? I recently got a quote for a fully reconditioned engine (from Engines Direct) costing $4500 without fitting. And, before we start building NA or turbo engines, how far can you really stretch a 6G74 or 6G75? What are the limitations, from mechanically/structurally in the engine through to the entire drive train?

Personally, IF I had anything close to 10k kicking around I'd just do a full spec' NA build. Just seems more reliable ultimately, and smarter IMHO.

From memory Norby's ride is one of the quickest NA Magnas.
It has a fully built 6G74 and it puts out around 190FwKw. Which is actually quite insane when you think about it.
I've heard from people who have been in it that it is very, very quick.

Norby's and JasonsVRX are both around 200kw NA cars, supercharger kits are (or at least were) available, a few people have done turbos. Cost vaires greatly depending on how far you want to push it, how many parts you are able to custom make rather than pay someone else to, and how much work you can do yourself. As mentioned before, upgrade brakes and suspension too, and you will probably want an LSD in the gearbox, good tyres, and make sure your wheels will fit over your brakes.

From memory Norby's ride is one of the quickest NA Magnas.
It has a fully built 6G74 and it puts out around 190FwKw. Which is actually quite insane when you think about it.
I've heard from people who have been in it that it is very, very quick.

jasonsvrx puts out 200+ kw in na form so id say his is the fastest.

edit: i really should re-load the page before posting, will make you look like an ass if you dont.

200+ kw

I'll take one of those please! But, 200kw up from 150kw standard? Is it really that hard to extract another 50kw from these engines? I'd imagine there would be some boring/stroking in these engines? Is the 6G75 a better starting point for an NA build?

I would imagine with a turbo setup the money would be in the building of the engine to handle the psi. Would stay NA or put a charger on unless you are going to build the engine and run a good psi.

Thats 200FrontWheelKW as opposed to 150KW at the Fly.

Once completed... Come back then. The amount of small ancillary costs in a turbo setup are astronomical if you're doing it properly.

What he said.. Started at 11k and was over $20k and still going before i knew it..

your better off with something like this
http://www.4gtuner.com/topic/18926-96-mitsubishi-diamante-30m/

or a galant vr4
http://www.4gtuner.com/topic/17901-fs-87-jap-spec-vr4-3000/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zczDRBC7fQg

but this would be fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTni1yW5iZo



or most of the parts would be custom
, you need to setup the turbos , fuel system, its a a tipy trans you should be ok or a manual would be better , and ecu retune or upgrade , if you want big numbers and big boost you end to do engine internals

jasonsvrx puts out 200+ kw in na form so id say his is the fastest.

edit: i really should re-load the page before posting, will make you look like an ass if you dont.

Brendans car put out 207atws long before Jasonsvrx... Was build by the guy that built mine and Booyas car.

From a rather stock car a GOOD NA motor will be $10k. A GOOD Turbo Motor will be $20K. Unless you want to spend that you are wasting your time.

If you wanna spend $20k on your $5k Magna its not just a Magna anymore..:)

Personally, IF I had anything close to 10k kicking around I'd just do a full spec' NA build. Just seems more reliable ultimately, and smarter IMHO.

Full spec N/A? Individual thottle bodies running a 9000rpm rev limit would see north of 300kw

Full spec N/A? Individual thottle bodies running a 9000rpm rev limit would see north of 300kw

Wut?! Really hmm.... :D

Seriously, though... How much power do most magna lovers want to put through their magna? I'm on 160ish fwkW and only just came back from the drags with a 14.4 (heaps more potential for a far better time, high 13's??). A turbo or two would be awesome and cheap (within means...) if you could fabricate your own exhaust headers, dump pipe, intake/intercooler piping and bought chinese ebay turbos, second hand full ecu etc.... Then there's the engine build if serious power is wanted....

Most people cant DIY and have their car off the road for long periods of time, so they pay somebody to do the work for them which is perfectly alright if they're prepared to put money $$$ down.

Full spec N/A? Individual thottle bodies running a 9000rpm rev limit would see north of 300kw

Okay, maybe not THAT "full spec". I was just thinking a good engine rebuild with stronger/better internals. Maybe a raised compression ratio and a wild set of camshafts (but still drivable in traffic).A good exhaust system. One of those SKR tunes and other assorted ancillary items required to make the engine run smoother/better.

An "old skool" full spec kind of tune. That cant cost more than 5k surely?

I'm going to tangent tis thread off now. While we're all hunting for power - which costs money - the first step should be weight loss which is usually cheaper. At least initially it is anyway. I'm pretty sure a Lukey muffler weighs about 7kg less than a standard one - this sort of thing. I'd imagine this is how they did things in the olden days.

Okay, maybe not THAT "full spec". I was just thinking a good engine rebuild with stronger/better internals. Maybe a raised compression ratio and a wild set of camshafts (but still drivable in traffic).A good exhaust system. One of those SKR tunes and other assorted ancillary items required to make the engine run smoother/better.

An "old skool" full spec kind of tune. That cant cost more than 5k surely?

I'm going to tangent tis thread off now. While we're all hunting for power - which costs money - the first step should be weight loss which is usually cheaper. At least initially it is anyway. I'm pretty sure a Lukey muffler weighs about 7kg less than a standard one - this sort of thing. I'd imagine this is how they did things in the olden days.

TZABOYs motor when the s'charger died still made over 180kw NA atfw, and it pulled like a freight train. That was a ported, blueprinted and balanced engine and was still entirely usable and very quick. But his build would have been over $10k easy

Supercharger option definately cheaper. But still, expect to spend between 10-20K on a supercharged or turbo charged setup if you want to do it to last. You want reliability trust me, just bolting on a supercharger or turbo without doing the other essentials is asking for nothing but trouble and failure.

Ask EGO, if your gonna do it right, do it right first time and spend the cash. Jase (TZABOY) build up his engine and spend lots on his setup and the supercharger still failed so there are no garrentees. Still, you'd be happy with his N/A setup pulling 180+ @ the wheels.

Okay, maybe not THAT "full spec". I was just thinking a good engine rebuild with stronger/better internals. Maybe a raised compression ratio and a wild set of camshafts (but still drivable in traffic).A good exhaust system. One of those SKR tunes and other assorted ancillary items required to make the engine run smoother/better.

An "old skool" full spec kind of tune. That cant cost more than 5k surely?

I'm going to tangent tis thread off now. While we're all hunting for power - which costs money - the first step should be weight loss which is usually cheaper. At least initially it is anyway. I'm pretty sure a Lukey muffler weighs about 7kg less than a standard one - this sort of thing. I'd imagine this is how they did things in the olden days.

Double that figure, then add half again and you'll be almost there. Think about pistons, rods, piston rings, cams, valve springs, retainers, injectors, fuel rail, fuel pump, bore and hone block, run in time, petrol, fuel filter, air filter, oil, oil filters, labour, ECU, dyno time, then you need to allow for things to go wrong... The list is endless, I've been there.

Brendans car put out 207atws long before Jasonsvrx... Was build by the guy that built mine and Booyas car.



How long ago was Brendans done? My first 200+atws engine that i built was back in 2004 (damn the years fly by as ya get older :( )

Double that figure, then add half again and you'll be almost there. Think about pistons, rods, piston rings, cams, valve springs, retainers, injectors, fuel rail, fuel pump, bore and hone block, run in time, petrol, fuel filter, air filter, oil, oil filters, labour, ECU, dyno time, then you need to allow for things to go wrong... The list is endless, I've been there.

And to all of the posts above, this is on a Magna with hardly any off-the-shelf products locally in Australia!!

And to all of the posts above, this is on a Magna with hardly any off-the-shelf products locally in Australia!!

And when it's finished it's still a Magna lol

How long ago was Brendans done? My first 200+atws engine that i built was back in 2004 (damn the years fly by as ya get older :( )

Yeah his was build back then too. Put it this way he brought it to MM in 05 so it must of been built back in end 2004

And when it's finished it's still a Magna lol

It may still be a Magna but if i owned a FPV and a goons Fagna was quicker then my FPOOV i would cry myself to sleep every night.. :facejump: :gtfo:

I read ages ago that there was a place in sydney that did drive in, drive out supercharger conversions for as little as 6k. Was that wrong or would the parts have just been shoddy.

From memory it was a supercharger, intercooler, piping, chip-tune and labour (which they did in a day).

Probably only added 3 or 4 psi so it was totally safe for the short term. Those conversions are good, but its the motor that needs strengthening to handle more boost. Cause lets be honest, you'll want more than 3 or 4 psi!

Honestly.. Save the dramas!

Look at a Rotrex SUPERCHARGER Kit.. Reliable.. Only thing not so reliable is your engine if you constantly flog it.. but definitely a smarter decision Bang for Buck wise.

With regards to Cracka's Turbo set up.. It wouldn't suprise me if his set up cost him half of the quoted prices in here - Just take your time and gather your parts bit by bit - scoring the right stuff at the right price.

SuFz :ninja:

It may still be a Magna but if i owned a FPV and a goons Fagna was quicker then my FPOOV i would cry myself to sleep every night.. :facejump: :gtfo:

Horses for courses though EGO. :think: The same money spent on an FPV and bye bye bye to the FI Modded Magna! ;)

EG: Look at what mitsi man has spent on his TT setup and what I've spent on my simple XRT... once my ZF is tuned it's going to widen the gap even more. My car is performing mid ranged in comarison to it's full potential with the work I've had done to it too. I could simply just get a new custom tune to 370+ rwkw tomorrow with the work already done to it. Also if I went an aftermarket plenum chamber your looking at 400 to 450+ rwkw. As much as I LOVE the Magna's around that have been FI'ed it's no comparison to an FPV. Those inline 6's are so much more workable.

But I do agree, if I had a stock FPV and someone beat me in their Magna I'd cry too! lol :cry:

Horses for courses though EGO. :think: The same money spent on an FPV and bye bye bye to the FI Modded Magna! ;)

EG: Look at what mitsi man has spent on his TT setup and what I've spent on my simple XRT... once my ZF is tuned it's going to widen the gap even more. My car is performing mid ranged in comarison to it's full potential with the work I've had done to it too. I could simply just get a new custom tune to 370+ rwkw tomorrow with the work already done to it. Also if I went an aftermarket plenum chamber your looking at 400 to 450+ rwkw. As much as I LOVE the Magna's around that have been FI'ed it's no comparison to an FPV. Those inline 6's are so much more workable.

But I do agree, if I had a stock FPV and someone beat me in their Magna I'd cry too! lol :cry:

You have to remember, your car is a Falcon. lol.

You have to remember, your car is a Falcon. lol.

Yeah dude, I totally know that... it will always be a falcon no matter what and yeah the falcon stigma sticks.
But hey, not even you can deny it's a bloody good one! :D

Horses for courses though EGO. :think: The same money spent on an FPV and bye bye bye to the FI Modded Magna! ;)

EG: Look at what mitsi man has spent on his TT setup and what I've spent on my simple XRT... once my ZF is tuned it's going to widen the gap even more. My car is performing mid ranged in comarison to it's full potential with the work I've had done to it too. I could simply just get a new custom tune to 370+ rwkw tomorrow with the work already done to it. Also if I went an aftermarket plenum chamber your looking at 400 to 450+ rwkw. As much as I LOVE the Magna's around that have been FI'ed it's no comparison to an FPV. Those inline 6's are so much more workable.

But I do agree, if I had a stock FPV and someone beat me in their Magna I'd cry too! lol :cry:

That's a little bit of a flawed comparison as the base cost to buy each vehicle is considerably different. I cant be bothered looking at how much a second hand f6 costs but im sure even a BA would have to at least 10K more than most magnas. 10k is a considerable chuck out of getting a magna built and boosted.

This noted i am a very big skeptic of getting magnas boosted, the work involved seems tremendous and the end result is often not spectacular. Whilst unique I don't think its what you would call value for money. As for the OP don't buy a cheap Ebay turbo kit, prepare to spend lots or just buy a boosted car.

That's a little bit of a flawed comparison as the base cost to buy each vehicle is considerably different. I cant be bothered looking at how much a second hand f6 costs but im sure even a BA would have to at least 10K more than most magnas. 10k is a considerable chuck out of getting a magna built and boosted.

This noted i am a very big skeptic of getting magnas boosted, the work involved seems tremendous and the end result is often not spectacular. Whilst unique I don't think its what you would call value for money. As for the OP don't buy a cheap Ebay turbo kit, prepare to spend lots or just buy a boosted car.

I know what your saying but i didn't make the original comparison. But hey, lets look at it this way. A mate of mine on the coast has an Audi R8 and although buck for buck at base cost he munches me... he lost out to a Falcon. (I'm not implying that anything illegal happened here. I also strongly do not encourage illegal hoon behavior.)
Ok, compare a cortina to the manga then. Base cost... similar comparison flip side plus money for mods. The cortina with that money spent on it would run low 10's and quite possible 9's. End game!

I know what your saying, just having a little poke that's all. Gotta agree with you on boosted magna's though. I'm a fan of them but there is no real reliable value in it.
But, most people do it for the dream... which I'm all for.

So OP, do it right, don't buy the crap on E-Bay. In the end it's up to you.

Horses for courses though EGO. :think: The same money spent on an FPV and bye bye bye to the FI Modded Magna! ;)
But I do agree, if I had a stock FPV and someone beat me in their Magna I'd cry too! lol :cry:


You have to remember, your car is a Falcon. lol.

Spend $20k on a TJ Vrx worth $10 or spend $30k on a stock FPV. If you wanna pull up at the lights and have a bloke pull up next to you with the same car buy an FPV or Similar. Wanna be differant spend $20k on your magna.:) I know there will never be another car like me pull up next to me at the lights.

Yeah dude, I totally know that... it will always be a falcon no matter what and yeah the falcon stigma sticks.
But hey, not even you can deny it's a bloody good one! :D

Trust me, you don't want me to answer this. lol.

EGO, I have great respect for your car mate and totally admire the work, effort and uniqueness you have put into it.

Disciple, ok, let me save you from having to acknowledge something that goes against everything you hold to in your little box of 'I hate Fords'! lol I know it would shatter your world to say it so I won't ask you to say it ever again. :D

EGO, I have great respect for your car mate and totally admire the work, effort and uniqueness you have put into it.

Disciple, ok, let me save you from having to acknowledge something that goes against everything you hold to in your little box of 'I hate Fords'! lol I know it would shatter your world to say it so I won't ask you to say it ever again. :D

:roll: I don't hate Fords. I think some Fords are good, like the Focus and Mondeo. I am a car fan. I can appreciate nice cars. Your car is clearly fast down a quarter mile strip. Let's leave it at that. :)

Spend $20k on a TJ Vrx worth $10 or spend $30k on a stock FPV. If you wanna pull up at the lights and have a bloke pull up next to you with the same car buy an FPV or Similar. Wanna be differant spend $20k on your magna.:) I know there will never be another car like me pull up next to me at the lights.

My god, the irony would be crazy if 69VRX pulled up next to you one day :P

To the OP, if your really patient you can pick up a good deal.. I got my raptor supercharger purchased second hand (freshly rebuilt), fitted myself, and tuned for a grand total of just under 3k :) not a bad price to pay for 190kw on a safe tune IMO :) that's at 5.5psi in the manifold

It may still be a Magna but if i owned a FPV and a goons Fagna was quicker then my FPOOV i would cry myself to sleep every night.. :facejump: :gtfo:

At least it was nice to look at when it passed me :) Beaten fair and square


My god, the irony would be crazy if 69VRX pulled up next to you one day :P

It would have to pull up to Jason's garage to line up with his car lol

Instead of plonking so much money down on turbocharging your NA Magna, why not just sell it and buy an Evo? It will smoke any Magna out there off the line and round the bendy bits and the modification potential is much better :)

As a person who recently done FI on a Magna, my advice hunt for second hand unit, you can pick up a bargain, like there was a raptor kit with WA intercooler sold over just over $2,500!!! Really getting it fitted & tuned will not be much more then another 2k & you will end it up with about 170-180kw at the wheels with much more torque than NA of similar max power, expect mid to high 13 quarters. However anything past that......have a look at EGOs ride, its basically just bottomless money pit, but if i had money i would do it aswell....

Instead of plonking so much money down on turbocharging your NA Magna, why not just sell it and buy an Evo? It will smoke any Magna out there off the line and round the bendy bits and the modification potential is much better :)

Bit of a sweeping statement really. There are plenty of near-stock Magnas running circuit times up with near-stock evos. There is a guy doing sprints in Canberra who gets a lot of respect driving his FWD Ralliart at such pace. There are also a few FI Magnas that could certainly scare evos as well.

Bit of a sweeping statement really. There are plenty of near-stock Magnas running circuit times up with near-stock evos. There is a guy doing sprints in Canberra who gets a lot of respect driving his FWD Ralliart at such pace. There are also a few FI Magnas that could certainly scare evos as well.

So the moral of the story is that if you want your car to go faster, go get some lessons and learn how to drive it faster. More cost effective than buying an Evo.

Interesting discussion. Have you noticed though that the OP hasn't made any comments, or asked any questions since his original post? Has he been scared off by the complexity of the answers, or did he just ask the question to stir things up?
You've got to wonder.
OP, feel free to chime in at any time!

The OP was probably 17, and now understands that it isnt a simple exercise

The OP was probably 17, and now understands that it isnt a simple exercise

Probably. Not a simple weekend job anyway. But he could at least chime in, like "Thanks for the info, but I've changed my mind!" lol

He hasn't been on since the day he posted it up

He hasn't been on since the day he posted it up

Yes, I said that in my post above. Form your own conclusion! *Ahem* troll? *Cough*

sorry i didnt see that

As a person who recently done FI on a Magna, my advice hunt for second hand unit, you can pick up a bargain, like there was a raptor kit with WA intercooler sold over just over $2,500!!! Really getting it fitted & tuned will not be much more then another 2k & you will end it up with about 170-180kw at the wheels with much more torque than NA of similar max power, expect mid to high 13 quarters. However anything past that......have a look at EGOs ride, its basically just bottomless money pit, but if i had money i would do it aswell....

Yeah I didn't pay that much for it :P total fitted and tuned was under 3k, and it's 190kw atw :)

Bit of a sweeping statement really. There are plenty of near-stock Magnas running circuit times up with near-stock evos. There is a guy doing sprints in Canberra who gets a lot of respect driving his FWD Ralliart at such pace. There are also a few FI Magnas that could certainly scare evos as well.

Oh great! Our cars have similar performance to Evos? That's awesome. Can you just show me where on this list of Wakefield track times the Magnas are? They should be right up there with the Evos right?

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tADXtWYMAmoUeQu0VP6yGKQ#gid=0

Boy oh boy! Our cars are as fast as Evos in near-stock form!

Bit of a sweeping statement really. There are plenty of near-stock Magnas running circuit times up with near-stock evos. There is a guy doing sprints in Canberra who gets a lot of respect driving his FWD Ralliart at such pace. There are also a few FI Magnas that could certainly scare evos as well.

Oh, I didn't see this comment. I lol'd.

Oh great! Our cars have similar performance to Evos? That's awesome. Can you just show me where on this list of Wakefield track times the Magnas are? They should be right up there with the Evos right?

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tADXtWYMAmoUeQu0VP6yGKQ#gid=0

Boy oh boy! Our cars are as fast as Evos in near-stock form!

You best do your research before you post such a sarcastic comment.

Wookie, Cummins and Chisholm are some that have taken their Magnas on the track and gotten good results.

Cummins has run a 1:09, no mean feat in his built NA Magna.

Comparing Magnas to Evos are apples to oranges I agree, but just because Warren Luff didn't step into a Magna to do a few laps at Wakefield doesn't mean the cars are incapable of getting times.

The car doesn't make the driver, the driver makes the car.

Oh great! Our cars have similar performance to Evos? That's awesome. Can you just show me where on this list of Wakefield track times the Magnas are? They should be right up there with the Evos right?

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tADXtWYMAmoUeQu0VP6yGKQ#gid=0

Boy oh boy! Our cars are as fast as Evos in near-stock form!


Oh, I didn't see this comment. I lol'd.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78999

Dan's PB was 48.97s on the SDMA hillcimb - comparable to evo's kthx - http://www.sdmahillclimb.com/pdfs2/Results/2011-03.pdf

You best do your research before you post such a sarcastic comment.

Wookie, Cummins and Chisholm are some that have taken their Magnas on the track and gotten good results.

Cummins has run a 1:09, no mean feat in his built NA Magna.

Comparing Magnas to Evos are apples to oranges I agree, but just because Warren Luff didn't step into a Magna to do a few laps at Wakefield doesn't mean the cars are incapable of getting times.

The car doesn't make the driver, the driver makes the car.

Chisholm's is supercharged so not really comparable, but I believe the other two are lightly modded.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78999

Dan's PB was 48.97s on the SDMA hillcimb - comparable to evo's kthx - http://www.sdmahillclimb.com/pdfs2/Results/2011-03.pdf

From the results you've shown, that Ralliart is close to one of the Evo's on a 49 second hill climb run. I've driven both - The Evo handles as if it's in another galaxy.

yes lets keep comparing apples to hamburgers very productive! who in their right mind would compare evo to a magna? i mean cmon guys how did this become magna vs evo in the first place

From the results you've shown, that Ralliart is close to one of the Evo's on a 49 second hill climb run. I've driven both - The Evo handles as if it's in another galaxy.

yup and an evo also got 52secs, so its down to the driver as stated above. Nonetheless it proves that a stockish FWD Magna is more than capable of excellent times - in response to VR4dude saying ALL magnas are shit for handling and cant come close to an evo. Its just rubbish really and the times above prove it.

yes lets keep comparing apples to hamburgers very productive! who in their right mind would compare evo to a magna? i mean cmon guys how did this become magna vs evo in the first place

because vr4boy said "Instead of plonking so much money down on turbocharging your NA Magna, why not just sell it and buy an Evo? It will smoke any Magna out there off the line and round the bendy bits" which is mostly wrong.

To get into a well looked after evo from a magna, a lot of cold hard cash is gonna have to be used that will easily cost more than just modifying the Magna to make it 'go' better

Oh great! Our cars have similar performance to Evos? That's awesome. Can you just show me where on this list of Wakefield track times the Magnas are? They should be right up there with the Evos right?

The track result speaks for itself in post #6 http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78144
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4127/mins1108.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/695/mins1108.jpg/)

Tonba, an EVO owner from AMC was slower around the track in comparison to Dan's built NA Ralliart Magna.
We shouldn’t be comparing Evo’s and Magna’s generally as stock for stock the EVO is suited for track work over the Magna, but if you wanted to see the results of an NA built Ralliart Magna beating Evo’s around Wakefield then there it is! :D

For the record it wasn't just one EVO he beat, there were 9. Goes to show it's not always about the car, the driver makes a huge difference.

yup and an evo also got 52secs, so its down to the driver as stated above. Nonetheless it proves that a stockish FWD Magna is more than capable of excellent times - in response to VR4dude saying ALL magnas are shit for handling and cant come close to an evo. Its just rubbish really and the times above prove it.


because vr4boy said "Instead of plonking so much money down on turbocharging your NA Magna, why not just sell it and buy an Evo? It will smoke any Magna out there off the line and round the bendy bits" which is mostly wrong.

To get into a well looked after evo from a magna, a lot of cold hard cash is gonna have to be used that will easily cost more than just modifying the Magna to make it 'go' better

Dave, I like you man, I agree with you 99% of the time. I have to go against you here dude. There's simply no comparison between the two cars handling wise. I understand what you're trying to say, but having been there with both cars, I can tell you categorically the Magna doesn't stack up at all.

Edit: Just to reply to Ezz's post, from what I can see, the Ralliart Magna ran a 1:10.8 around Wakefield, which is great. But a stock Evo 9 in the hands of a good driver will do it in 1:09.00 all day.

Yup the evo is purpose built for the job, and will feel MUCH more at home on a racetrack over a magna any day, i aint denying that! But what i was trying to (admittedly, badly) say is that vr4boy instantly dismissed the magna with a statement that a magna aint worth shit performance wise, which is wrong. They have a very capable chassis, and with some half decent suspension and tyres for $2k max it is very enjoyable to pedal enthusiastically.

Yup the evo is purpose built for the job, and will feel MUCH more at home on a racetrack over a magna any day, i aint denying that! But what i was trying to (admittedly, badly) say is that vr4boy instantly dismissed the magna with a statement that a magna aint worth shit performance wise, which is wrong. They have a very capable chassis, and with some half decent suspension and tyres for $2k max it is very enjoyable to pedal enthusiastically.

I can agree there. My Ralliart handled OK compared to the Evo. But without comparing it to an Evo, it's a competent handling car and shouldn't be dismissed.

lol yes. Comparing magna to my girls car, its like a big sloppy boat. God forbid driving something like a falcon or commodore after the clio!

Disciple as I stated, EVO compared to Magna around a track driven by drivers with 'skill'... EVO everyday! :D There's no contest. The above post from Dan's time at Wakefield a while ago now, showed that a driver with skill in an NA built Ralliart Magna, can beat a driver of lesser skill in an EVO. My post never tried to claim the Ralliart Magna being comparable to an EVO everyday... but this day the numbers spoke and it clearly shows that it beat 9 EVO's.
I think we are all actually on the same page here, but post msg's really don't help and can create a little confusion when we all actually know an EVO round a track is clearly better than a Magna... no matter how much we love them guys! :D

Dave, I'll have to take you for a drive sometime in my Falcon... but if it was completely stock standard... I would agree with you! :D

In short yes you can turbo, but it won't be cheap.

If your a crappy driver in an Evo a good driver will beat you round a track in a Magna

Don't buy a Falcon or a Commodore buy a Clio and if you consider going for a Clio Ezz will take you for a joy ride in his Falcon.

Have you considered a Ralliart Magna? I hear they are a heavily modified version of a production car much like the Evolution Lancer.

In short yes you can turbo, but it won't be cheap.

If your a crappy driver in an Evo a good driver will beat you round a track in a Magna

Don't buy a Falcon or a Commodore buy a Clio and if you consider going for a Clio Ezz will take you for a joy ride in his Falcon.

Have you considered a Ralliart Magna? I hear they are a heavily modified version of a production car much like the Evolution Lancer.

That just about sums it up! Well said Magna///Art... 50 pokie:poke: posts rolled into 1! :D

OP, buy a Ralliart Magna...

No hard feelings meant ezz, gt pete has scared the shit out of me enough times in his GT-P to know they have some serious mumbo!!!

No hard feelings meant ezz, gt pete has scared the shit out of me enough times in his GT-P to know they have some serious mumbo!!!

Wait till you drive it. Looks like Ezz's is much quicker than mine anyway.

When I jumped in (either tonbas or aspecs can't remember) evo I SHAT myself it was so damn quick. Would love to take one round some corners

AWD > FWD/RWD but I still like NA better than turbo

Aren't Evo's meant to outhandle pretty much any car in the same price range?

:D It's all good Dave, I knew you didn't direct anything at me! :D
Wld be good to show you what these things can do with aftermarket work. It's not a boat as such now, but agree Falcons and Commodores are not great around the track... there weren't build for that purpose as we all know.

Pete, I'm confident your GT is no slouch. As I stated in another thread last week, on our roads were cornering speeds are limited by law, it's in the overtaking that these babies shine! :D

I still like NA better than turbo

Your only saying that as you havent owned a Turbo. Stick some Turbos on the GT and you will love the 10x More..:)

There is no better feeling in a car than the feeling of Boost.:)

Apologies in advance if I offend anyone - being brutally honest usually has that effect ;)

I thought Honda's motto was "the power of dreamers" but it looks like a few of us are one eyed Mitsubishi fan bois too.


There are plenty of near-stock Magnas running circuit times up with near-stock evos.

All things being equal (same day, same conditions, same driver skill), stock for stock, or mod for mod, an Evo will wipe the floor with a Magna on the circuit.

There's no point justifying a flawed argument by pointing out to one statisically unreliable hill climb result where some unknown Magna with an unknown driver happened to record a faster time than some unknown Evo with an unknown driver. Heck, my mum could be in an R35 GT-R and I'd still beat her on the hill climb in my auto Magna - lol!


Wookie, Cummins and Chisholm are some that have taken their Magnas on the track and gotten good results.

So Wookie, Cummins, Chisholm, Chewbacca and Hans Solo and their "built NA Magnas" are "near stock" (right down to the 16 inch wheels with Bob Jane all rounders) and running the same times as "near stock" Evos? The Force must be with them!

Millenium Falcon Magna FTW!

Apologies in advance if I offend anyone - being brutally honest usually has that effect ;)

I thought Honda's motto was "the power of dreamers" but it looks like a few of us are one eyed Mitsubishi fan bois too.



All things being equal (same day, same conditions, same driver skill), stock for stock, or mod for mod, an Evo will wipe the floor with a Magna on the circuit.

There's no point justifying a flawed argument by pointing out to one statisically unreliable hill climb result where some unknown Magna with an unknown driver happened to record a faster time than some unknown Evo with an unknown driver. Heck, my mum could be in an R35 GT-R and I'd still beat her on the hill climb in my auto Magna - lol!



So Wookie, Cummins, Chisholm, Chewbacca and Hans Solo and their "built NA Magnas" are "near stock" (right down to the 16 inch wheels with Bob Jane all rounders) and running the same times as "near stock" Evos? The Force must be with them!

Millenium Falcon Magna FTW!

I like this post.

We need a rep or like feature on this forum.

Lots of win here.

Some of the off topic banter is starting to smell like SPAM to me . . . . .

... Star wars spam? I like the above post too, funny with a point. My best mates mum would probably be the exception to the r35 gtr vs magna example though hahaha

So when is this useless post going to be deleted?

Apologies in advance if I offend anyone - being brutally honest usually has that effect ;)

I thought Honda's motto was "the power of dreamers" but it looks like a few of us are one eyed Mitsubishi fan bois too.

All things being equal (same day, same conditions, same driver skill), stock for stock, or mod for mod, an Evo will wipe the floor with a Magna on the circuit.

There's no point justifying a flawed argument by pointing out to one statisically unreliable hill climb result where some unknown Magna with an unknown driver happened to record a faster time than some unknown Evo with an unknown driver. Heck, my mum could be in an R35 GT-R and I'd still beat her on the hill climb in my auto Magna - lol!

So Wookie, Cummins, Chisholm, Chewbacca and Hans Solo and their "built NA Magnas" are "near stock" (right down to the 16 inch wheels with Bob Jane all rounders) and running the same times as "near stock" Evos? The Force must be with them!

Millenium Falcon Magna FTW!

Arguing against clear facts is like running in the special olympics. Congrats, you won first place!!

Arguing against clear facts is like running in the special olympics.

Hmmm, don't like the message, so you shoot the messenger?

Let's look at these "clear facts" again:


There are plenty of near-stock Magnas running circuit times up with near-stock evos.

I think you'll agree that it's not a valid comparison if you have drivers of different skill in the 2 cars - what would be the point of comparing Ed Ordynski in the Magna and Ronald McDonald in the Evo?

So let's control that variable and look at the real "clear facts" - GT Production racing, which is essentially "near stock" production cars (cage, pads etc), all raced by professional drivers.

Where does the Magna sit at Oran Park?:

Alan Holgersson (NSW), Toyota Camry CSi V6 2995 - 1:22.7748
Robert Chadwick (SA), Mitsubishi Magna Sprts 3497 - 1:23.6162
David Russell (NSW), Proton Satria GTi 1835 - 1:23.6218
Luke Youlden (VIC), Holden Astra SRi 1998 - 1:24.2912
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?25/11/2001.ORAN.P16

If we accept your logic, then by lap time deduction, we would have to conclude that a Camry, Satria and Astra also lap similar times to the Evo.

Oh, I should also mention that in GTP racing, the Evo races several classes above the Magna, which would seem silly if the Magna is running similar times to the Evo.

I won't embarass you further by pulling out the Evo lap times, but let's just say that most objective people can work out the Evo goes just a bit faster ;)

Arguing against hard numbers and clear, objective data is more like running the special olympics ;)

To keep this on topic, in relation to a turbo kit on a Verada, I agree with one of the earlier posters who suggested an Evo would be a better / easier / more convenient choice. If the budget doesn't stretch to an Evo, consider a Galant VR-4, which can be had for under $10k and comes with:

Twin turbo V6
206kw / 363nm
AWD with AYC (ala Evo)
5 speed manual or 5 speed tiptronic
0-100 in under 6 seconds and quarter in high 13s.

Far better bang for buck, reliability, ease and legality than the hassle of building and engineering a Verada turbo (not to mention increased torque steer in the Verada).

Blah blah blah. Let's remember the context this all spawned from, basically some guy saying Magnas are incapable of getting a decent lap time. Dave never said that magnas are anywhere on par with evos performance wise rather a magna in the hands of a good driver can still do well.

Hmmm, don't like the message, so you shoot the messenger?

Let's look at these "clear facts" again:



I think you'll agree that it's not a valid comparison if you have drivers of different skill in the 2 cars - what would be the point of comparing Ed Ordynski in the Magna and Ronald McDonald in the Evo?

So let's control that variable and look at the real "clear facts" - GT Production racing, which is essentially "near stock" production cars (cage, pads etc), all raced by professional drivers.

Where does the Magna sit at Oran Park?:

Alan Holgersson (NSW), Toyota Camry CSi V6 2995 - 1:22.7748
Robert Chadwick (SA), Mitsubishi Magna Sprts 3497 - 1:23.6162
David Russell (NSW), Proton Satria GTi 1835 - 1:23.6218
Luke Youlden (VIC), Holden Astra SRi 1998 - 1:24.2912
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?25/11/2001.ORAN.P16

If we accept your logic, then by lap time deduction, we would have to conclude that a Camry, Satria and Astra also lap similar times to the Evo.

Oh, I should also mention that in GTP racing, the Evo races several classes above the Magna, which would seem silly if the Magna is running similar times to the Evo.

I won't embarass you further by pulling out the Evo lap times, but let's just say that most objective people can work out the Evo goes just a bit faster ;)

Arguing against hard numbers and clear, objective data is more like running the special olympics ;)

To keep this on topic, in relation to a turbo kit on a Verada, I agree with one of the earlier posters who suggested an Evo would be a better / easier / more convenient choice. If the budget doesn't stretch to an Evo, consider a Galant VR-4, which can be had for under $10k and comes with:

Twin turbo V6
206kw / 363nm
AWD with AYC (ala Evo)
5 speed manual or 5 speed tiptronic
0-100 in under 6 seconds and quarter in high 13s.

Far better bang for buck, reliability, ease and legality than the hassle of building and engineering a Verada turbo (not to mention increased torque steer in the Verada).

+ More win.

This guy is like me, only smarter, lol.

Edit: Can you post the Evo times for shits n' giggles? I can't see that link here at work.

+ More win.

This guy is like me, only smarter, lol.

Edit: Can you post the Evo times for shits n' giggles? I can't see that link here at work.

Shits n' giggles, as requested:

Garry Holt (NSW), Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1:16.5704
Bob Hughes (NSW), Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1:16.9527
Gary Young (VIC), Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1:16.9640
Anton Mechtler (NSW), Mitsubishi Evo VII - 1:16.9875
Alan Holgersson (NSW), Toyota Camry CSi V6 2995 - 1:22.7748
Robert Chadwick (SA), Mitsubishi Magna Sprts 3497 - 1:23.6162
David Russell (NSW), Proton Satria GTi 1835 - 1:23.6218
Luke Youlden (VIC), Holden Astra SRi 1998 - 1:24.2912

I guess that means that in a race between the Evo and Magna, the Evo would lap the Magna after 11 laps. How embarassing!

Hmmm, don't like the message, so you shoot the messenger?

Let's look at these "clear facts" again:



I think you'll agree that it's not a valid comparison if you have drivers of different skill in the 2 cars - what would be the point of comparing Ed Ordynski in the Magna and Ronald McDonald in the Evo?

So let's control that variable and look at the real "clear facts" - GT Production racing, which is essentially "near stock" production cars (cage, pads etc), all raced by professional drivers.

Where does the Magna sit at Oran Park?:

Alan Holgersson (NSW), Toyota Camry CSi V6 2995 - 1:22.7748
Robert Chadwick (SA), Mitsubishi Magna Sprts 3497 - 1:23.6162
David Russell (NSW), Proton Satria GTi 1835 - 1:23.6218
Luke Youlden (VIC), Holden Astra SRi 1998 - 1:24.2912
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?25/11/2001.ORAN.P16

If we accept your logic, then by lap time deduction, we would have to conclude that a Camry, Satria and Astra also lap similar times to the Evo.

Oh, I should also mention that in GTP racing, the Evo races several classes above the Magna, which would seem silly if the Magna is running similar times to the Evo.

I won't embarass you further by pulling out the Evo lap times, but let's just say that most objective people can work out the Evo goes just a bit faster ;)

Arguing against hard numbers and clear, objective data is more like running the special olympics ;)

To keep this on topic, in relation to a turbo kit on a Verada, I agree with one of the earlier posters who suggested an Evo would be a better / easier / more convenient choice. If the budget doesn't stretch to an Evo, consider a Galant VR-4, which can be had for under $10k and comes with:

Twin turbo V6
206kw / 363nm
AWD with AYC (ala Evo)
5 speed manual or 5 speed tiptronic
0-100 in under 6 seconds and quarter in high 13s.

Far better bang for buck, reliability, ease and legality than the hassle of building and engineering a Verada turbo (not to mention increased torque steer in the Verada).

Sorry, you have lost all relevance to my original statement. Again, I am going to have to repeat myself because some ****ing douchebags clearly cant read.

Someone posted up saying just sell the Magna and buy an evo as magnas can't handle for shit. I went against this statement based on the fact that a Magna CAN be made to handle well and that buying an evo (a very costly exercise over just modifying the magna) is not neccessary. Which bit of that didn't you understand?

Logged in for the first time today, and after reading all of this, I'm now ready for sleep...:(
Not many have been able to stay on topic to the OP.
If you want to answer the OPs question directly then do so, anything else can go somewhere else.
Thank You. Bill (GTVi)

Shits n' giggles, as requested:

Garry Holt (NSW), Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1:16.5704
Bob Hughes (NSW), Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1:16.9527
Gary Young (VIC), Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1:16.9640
Anton Mechtler (NSW), Mitsubishi Evo VII - 1:16.9875
Alan Holgersson (NSW), Toyota Camry CSi V6 2995 - 1:22.7748
Robert Chadwick (SA), Mitsubishi Magna Sprts 3497 - 1:23.6162
David Russell (NSW), Proton Satria GTi 1835 - 1:23.6218
Luke Youlden (VIC), Holden Astra SRi 1998 - 1:24.2912

Also, you are comparing a stock Magna Sports with 163kW and stock diff (i assume) whereas the times I posted before during a hillclimb event are from a 180kW Ralliart using an LSD amongst other hotted up parts. Explain?

Closed until everyone has had a change to read my response above...seems it takes time for some of us.
Bill (GTVi)