hey guys
was just wondering why the ralliart has a 180kw enigine compared to the tj vrx 163kw what did they do to the engine to get the extra 17kw. Can u get the vrx to go as quick as the ralliart? What would be involved thanks

Wilder cams, bit of porting and a retune. Yes you can

Don't forget the extractors! :D (The Ralliart has the whole package though... koni shocks etc, but that is more suited to ride and handling rather than your specific comment on how to make it as quick.)

In the real world the difference is completely negligible.

In the real world the difference is completely negligible.

In the real world we all don't have experience driving Evos and the difference between the Vr-x and Ralliart was certainly noticeable. Plus the comfort was also improved and the handling in the manual versions was much better.

what does a stock ralliart do on the dyno???

in comparrison to my stock tj vrx doing 132.

In the real world we all don't have experience driving Evos and the difference between the Vr-x and Ralliart was certainly noticeable. Plus the comfort was also improved and the handling in the manual versions was much better.

I'm talking about the difference between the 2 models in a rolling drag race which best displays horsepower. I remember rolling against a Black TJ series 2 VRX when I had my Ralliart and it was neck and neck. My car pulled slightly, but nothing really noticeable. I agree, the comfort of the Ralliart is fantastic, and obviously with lower springs and better dampers the handling will be superior. But in relation to the question in this thread, "Can you get the VRX to go as quick as the Ralliart?" It already is.


what does a stock ralliart do on the dyno???

in comparrison to my stock tj vrx doing 132.

About 135. It's widely recognised that the Ralliart was closer to 170-175kW from factory, and not the 180kW advertised.

Dont forget the manual Ralliart has a quality torque sensing LSD that is worth $1500 on its own. It would be cheaper to sell a VRX and buy a Ralliart than get the VRX up to Ralliart specs. The Ralliart has more powerful brakes and more equipment as well. The body kit, however, is not to everyone's taste.

what does a stock ralliart do on the dyno???

in comparrison to my stock tj vrx doing 132.

Were you at the dyno day or was I dreaming?

Were you at the dyno day or was I dreaming?

exactly what i was thinking. The ralliart did 137.2

exactly what i was thinking. The ralliart did 137.2

So, same day, same conditions, 5kWatw difference between VRX and Ralliart? That's about 7kW at the flywheel. 163 -> 170.

Today you can get a TJ Ralliart for similar price of a TL VRX... Just depends on the quality of the example and what shape you prefer.

So, same day, same conditions, 5kWatw difference between VRX and Ralliart? That's about 7kW at the flywheel. 163 -> 170.

I thought brendan got a good result with his old motor when it was 130kwatw with pacies and catback. so i think the 132 may be a little inaccurate if it's a 'stock' vrx. I would expect about 128-130atw average for a vrx stock and 137-140 average for a ralliart. so about 8atw different.

Reading for those interested...
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/group.php?do=discuss&discussionid=17
First two posts are just general specs - followed by what was different on the Ralliart Magna compared to a stock TJ. Not sure which of these differences were also shared with a VRX.

I thought brendan got a good result with his old motor when it was 130kwatw with pacies and catback. so i think the 132 may be a little inaccurate if it's a 'stock' vrx. I would expect about 128-130atw average for a vrx stock and 137-140 average for a ralliart. so about 8atw different.

Mine was bone stock exhaust wise when I pulled 130

Mine was bone stock exhaust wise when I pulled 130

Ok cheers for clearing that up. Looks like the manual vr-x is certainly the best value for money out of the two... in terms of a rolling start. The difference wouldn't be much at all.

Ok cheers for clearing that up. Looks like the manual vr-x is certainly the best value for money out of the two... in terms of a rolling start. The difference wouldn't be much at all.

:roll: Really? lol.

Were you at the dyno day or was I dreaming?

you was not dreaming i was there :)

When the car's were new, I imagine there was a measurable difference - but not a significant power difference in driver feel.
Now that all our cars have aged and had varying history, treatment, servicing, etc. I seriously doubt there would be much difference at all. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if there are some VRX's out there that have lost fewer horses over time than some of the Ralliarts.
Even though I'm a Ralliart fan (not biased much), my advise to a person looking at buying a VRX or Ralliart would be to select the one you like the look of better as they're styling is quite different. Then once you've decided to go VRX, Ralliart, or AWD/GTVi Verada, etc. - then look around for one that's right for you in terms of price & condition.

yea i do like the ralliart's but the VRX kit just appealed to me that little bit more :)

i do miss the LSD that would have come with the ralliart though.

When the car's were new, I imagine there was a measurable difference - but not a significant power difference in driver feel.
Now that all our cars have aged and had varying history, treatment, servicing, etc. I seriously doubt there would be much difference at all. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if there are some VRX's out there that have lost fewer horses over time than some of the Ralliarts.
Even though I'm a Ralliart fan (not biased much), my advise to a person looking at buying a VRX or Ralliart would be to select the one you like the look of better as they're styling is quite different. Then once you've decided to go VRX, Ralliart, or AWD/GTVi Verada, etc. - then look around for one that's right for you in terms of price & condition.

I think VRXs look better then ralliarts but the way the ralliart feels to drive is so much better! I would never trade it!

Here is link to an accumulation of dyno results from a number of stock Ralliarts, VR-X's, manual and auto's compiled from the AMC database. Some people still don't know what stock means :roll:...

We all need to understand too that dyno results can vary. Real world results are really in the 1/4 mile run, but this data gives an average output of completely bone stock magna's from model to model, auto to manual. There are a few results that show up more consistently therefore a 'mode' can be devised.

LINK:
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90196&highlight=3rd+Gen+Dyno+Results

Dyno results really prove nothing in the end... figures are just that, figures. However, the talking is in the walking. I remember having a few runs against a Manual VR-X from 80ks to 110... in my old 5 speed tippy Ralliart Magna before and after stock. I pulled away slowly but clearly when it was stock. I pulled away very easily when she was modded. :D You make your mind up if was the cars or the drivers...
That is only a couple of examples, and I've seen and heard of other Ralliart auto's and manual's producing less power on a dyno than mine did stock.
There are numerous factors involved so the arguments for and against can go on and on forever. In the end the car is one aspect... the other is the conditions and enviromnment. More importantly, the driver can be the biggest factor.

i dont understand the ralliart does 0-100km in 6.5secs while the tj vrx does 0-100km in around 7.02secs well that was when they where new anyway so im suprised that u guys are saying they are roughly the same speed. Im hoping that with 380 cams and and a new exhaust with extractors will let me be quicker then my friends vz calais we are always on par if not he just beats me

i dont understand the ralliart does 0-100km in 6.5secs while the tj vrx does 0-100km in around 7.02secs well that was when they where new anyway so im suprised that u guys are saying they are roughly the same speed. Im hoping that with 380 cams and and a new exhaust with extractors will let me be quicker then my friends vz calais we are always on par if not he just beats me

i think the ralliart is more like 6.7 probably due to manuals having an lsd . we were talking about them being close on a rolling start.

Yep, if you're talking about from a stop a manual Ralliart will easily outdo a VRX due to the LSD adding a lot of traction, especially in less than ideal conditions.

There's no reason to race from a roll, anyway, because that would indicate it's on the street. At the drags, a stock manual Ralliart vs a stock manual VRX would show a clear difference.

That's before you start getting into all the other modifications that Ralliarts have. They handle better and they're more comfortable. The brakes are much improved, and even the fuel tank was improved to prevent starvation during hard cornering.

Ralliarts are, what, $1-2k more than VRX?
Worth it, IMO.