Not sure if this is the right place for this,

not 8 hours after getting my licence back, i was pulled up by the biggest somethingorother of a cop ever and iv met some big ones in my times...

anyway after him telling me how i shouldnt be on the roads (after looking at my record which is not flash) but i have lernt now... i hope, decided he couldnt get me with anything this time after breath testing me and doing a basic drug check (stand on one leg walk in a straight line) decided HEY!

DEFECT!!!! (because i didnt have an engineers certificate) for 2 things 1: ride height!!!! 2: Pod filter

1 i think its a load of shit, his reasoning was because i have a MM of tyre tuck on the rear (i had 3 fairly sized people in the backseat)

2 the pod i knew was coming lol.

anyway... my question is.... what am i looking at $$$ wise to get this s&^% cleared and is it worth tracking down an engineers cert for the height of my car.

any and all feedback would be appreciated.

if the pod is exposed it will need to be covered up, or removed and stock inlet put back in its place

Check the RTA website for the minimum ride height measurement allowed then check it yourself with passengers in the vehicle. If it's lower than the RTA specs then an engineer probably won't supply a certificate. Cost to get ride height defect fixed will probably be a set of springs (higher ride height) plus wheel alignment.

Regards

Could you have 3 smaller sized people in the back seat and end up with no tyre tuck?

Box the pod or swap it for the stock panel filter, then with no people in the car check the RTA website for the min/max height having people in the car may have just pushed it below legal height perhaps?

iv got 0 tuck with and empty car :/ with a full car it tucks, with me and my mate it gets dam close!

Did you fail the attitude test?

I've been pulled over plenty of times, and my record is terrible... With all the mods on my car, I still haven't been defected!

Best bet is to replace the pod with stock piping and overinflate the rear to bring it up (only if ur up the road from the mechanic) then get it blueslipped

im not sure if its the heigh of the car or if it's how its been lowered.

hey i never fail the attitude test lol

Revert to stock intake..

I'm about to do the same.. POD sounds awesome but is pointless performance wise..

Revert to stock or get a box for it..

Height wise you shouldn't have too much of an issue unless you're on coilovers and have them wound down..

Check with the RTA regarding regs and see what your local mechanic says..

AFAIK, the only height rules in NSW is that it keeps 100mm of clearance under the car to the road and that the headlights and indicators are a certain height from the road also. Maybe 100 & 60cm respectively ???

A few years ago, the politicians tried to bring in a rule that you could only vary the ride height by 25 or 50mm from standard or something like this - the 4x4 people organised themselves very well to get this cancelled. The modifiers (like us) helped a bit too, but weren't as organised.

If you learn your rules before you modify, when an officer of the law is uncertain of the rules, you can reassure him with the specifics, and normally get out of a defect that is undeserved. I've done this once with an exposed pod filter - but I hadn't realised that they changed the rules between me installing it and the cop telling me he could defect me if he wanted to. My oops in the end, but I still didn't get a defect.

oh i knew i could get defected on the pod lol, not debating that at all

and the height i purchased car like this... which is why im worries, i dont know how it was done, if it was legit or some dodge job.

lowest point of the car must be 100mm off the ground in nsw. so you should be able to get it passed as apart from the pod

and the height i purchased car like this... which is why im worries, i dont know how it was done, if it was legit or some dodge job.

Just ensure that the lowest point of the car is at least 100mm from the ground.

It doesn't matter how you bought the car. People often buy cars with bald tyres and the excuse of "that's how I bought it" doesn't wash with our police friends ;)

Ignorance is not a valid excuse.

Tubby just get on to the RTA regarding the requirements deal with the hard factuals and then clear the defects.

And make sure when you go back to the place to clear the defects you dont carry 3 blokes in the back seat!

LOL!

Is the car below 10cm when just you in it? I doubt they check it with car full of passengers. If they do, I'd love to see a stock magna with 4 decent sized passengers and boot full of stuff. It probably would fail too....

Is the car below 10cm when just you in it? I doubt they check it with car full of passengers. If they do, I'd love to see a stock magna with 4 decent sized passengers and boot full of stuff. It probably would fail too....

I wonder if a police car would still be at a legal ride height fully loaded with larger people and with all the police equipment in it still.

iv got 0 tuck with and empty car :/ with a full car it tucks, with me and my mate it gets dam close!
Whether or not it tucks rim or not has NOTHING to do with legality.

As pointed out, you must maintain at least 100mm ground clearance at all times, regardless of the load you're carrying.


im not sure if its the heigh of the car or if it's how its been lowered.

hey i never fail the attitude test lol
I've seen photos of your car before and it's definitely been lowered from standard.

And I hope that's sarcasm, because you fail the attitude test pretty bad in your OP...

Oh its deffinately lowered not arguing that in any way shape or form.

but what the cop was questioning me over was if it was doing by a quilified person or in some dodgy buggers back yard.

and of course my OP has bad attitude... but actually showing that bad attitude the to police officer is just silly and gets me no where.

so at the time NO! i didnt not fail no attitude test :) just afterwards :P

ANY modification done to ANY car requires an engineers cert. for the police not to defect you. The defect notice has been issued from them but needs to be cleared from the rta. the rta do not require you to have an engineers cert. for any modification. Its confusing but its the law, ive dealt with this plenty of times trust me. All you have to do is take it to a mechanic that does the blue slips get them to pass the modifications, take the blue slip to the rta and bang you're cleared.
As the others have stated minimal ride height is 100mm make sure its lowest point meets this, and same with the pod, cover it with a heat shield or get rid of it.
Plan and simple. Don't question why the cops need an engineers cert. just do what they say. If you don't like turn it back to stock and you'll be fine.

Also just like to point out that having seen your car in the flesh, it's not low enough for you to have any worries with legality unless the cop felt like dicking you around or if the people in your car weren't on the 'light' side.

My Ralliart becomes illegally low at the back when filled with 4x fat people and about 50kg of crap in the boot.

ammmm has anyone actually wondered what notice he got? Was it yellow/red sticker? if it was not yellow sticker you dont need blue slip mechanic anyone who can do pink slips can clear it for you.

There are three types of defects you can get:

Major with red sticker, car can not be driven, must be towed to mechanic to fix it (must have blue slip)
Major with yellow sticker, can be driven for specified period of time in order to fix defects, usually about 3-7 days, must be done by blue slip mechanic
Minor, no sticker, can be given to any authorized inspection station (pink slip) to fix up....

Remember that the law stipulates that the 100mm ground clearance is LOADED, not empty so if is too low when loaded is not roadworthy

ALso people are forgetting the second part of this law which states that not only must you have 100mm clearance but your suspension travel must not be reduced by more than 1/3 of the original travel, so on this basis even lows in a magna are on a technical point not legal

Pod filters are not legal no matter what you do unless they are in a sealed box, so you have air coming into the filter by way of an intake hole and the rest of the box is sealed. The greenies are scared that oil vapour will get into the atmosphere. A non oiled pod does not have these restrictions. Either way, a Pod is just a form of hot air intake lol

^ I thought pods were illegal because of the risk of engine bay fire...

^ I thought pods were illegal because of the risk of engine bay fire...

I only thought because of emissions or someshit.

My splitter is 85mm off the ground unloaded, luckily i can just unscrew it on the spot!

Remember that the law stipulates that the 100mm ground clearance is LOADED, not empty so if is too low when loaded is not roadworthy
That's interesting, because that means all the VE SS cop cars are illegal on Australian roads.

That's interesting, because that means all the VE SS cop cars are illegal on Australian roads.

Who gives a shit
The police also are allowed to break the speed limit and drive through red lights and carry handguns

That's interesting, because that means all the VE SS cop cars are illegal on Australian roads.

lol.... are you suggesting that Police should go and defect their own cars? lol

Who gives a shit
The police also are allowed to break the speed limit and drive through red lights and carry handguns

Actually, I believe emergency vehicles are not allowed to go through red lights. It's just tolerated as it really is necessary most of the time and they still have to give way to other cars. If there's an accident from a cop going through a red light, they get in trouble for it.

Also to Matt, why would a VE SS cop car be illegally low? I believe as part of normal police mods they put in heavy duty springs and shocks - the overall ride height would still be over 100mm and shock travel probably wouldn't necessarily be changed.

All Ve's are illegal. My mate works for holden and says the exhaust is 120mm from the ground at it's lowest point. If you put 5 people in it and some shit in the boot it goes below 100mm. So obviously the law isn't strict on that.

It's more... if your car looks low, you will get booked.

Actually, I believe emergency vehicles are not allowed to go through red lights. It's just tolerated as it really is necessary most of the time and they still have to give way to other cars. If there's an accident from a cop going through a red light, they get in trouble for it.

Also to Matt, why would a VE SS cop car be illegally low? I believe as part of normal police mods they put in heavy duty springs and shocks - the overall ride height would still be over 100mm and shock travel probably wouldn't necessarily be changed.


@ Oggy there was a thread on here regarding it from a member who is a traffic cop they need to fulfil some criteria before they can do it but if they have due cause they can

let me see if I can find it as it was a really great thread

All Ve's are illegal. My mate works for holden and says the exhaust is 120mm from the ground at it's lowest point. If you put 5 people in it and some shit in the boot it goes below 100mm. So obviously the law isn't strict on that.

It's more... if your car looks low, you will get booked.

Pretty sure the hundreds of thousands of dollars that police around AU put in to road-worthying the VE commodore for service, that they are happy with the ride height across all terain.

Regarding emergency vehicles running red lights, thats complete rubbish. Highly trained ambulance/fire engine drivers can do what the hell they want to save lives as long as they dont worsen a situation, that includes running red lights SAFELY

Off topic..

I helped a police officer change a tyre at work today!

Carry on...

SuFz

All Ve's are illegal. My mate works for holden and says the exhaust is 120mm from the ground at it's lowest point. If you put 5 people in it and some shit in the boot it goes below 100mm. So obviously the law isn't strict on that.

It's more... if your car looks low, you will get booked.
This exactly.

The Exhausts on VEs are very low. 5 fat people with a bunch of crap in the boot?
Illegal.


Pretty sure the hundreds of thousands of dollars that police around AU put in to road-worthying the VE commodore for service, that they are happy with the ride height across all terain.
I'm happy with my ride height across all terrain, including all the dirt roads i drive on all the time.

My car is still illegally low when it's fully loaded.

This exactly.

The Exhausts on VEs are very low. 5 fat people with a bunch of crap in the boot?
Illegal.

I'm happy with my ride height across all terrain, including all the dirt roads i drive on all the time.

My car is still illegally low when it's fully loaded.

Mate the law doesnt care what you think. If they say its too low, its too low. You cannot argue that a police car is too low.

Lol! Matt the day you get pulled over and defected please record it and stick it on youtube I am sure you will get many hits and loves from the interwebz

Pretty sure the hundreds of thousands of dollars that police around AU put in to road-worthying the VE commodore for service, that they are happy with the ride height across all terain.

Regarding emergency vehicles running red lights, thats complete rubbish. Highly trained ambulance/fire engine drivers can do what the hell they want to save lives as long as they dont worsen a situation, that includes running red lights SAFELY


Hmmm. I witnessed an ambulance with sirens and lights going doing a u-turn at traffic lights - in front of a waiting cop car who then proceeded to pull the ambulance over. The ambulance driver stuck her head out trying to hurry up the slow-deliberate walking cop to no avail. This was on busy arvo rush hour on South Road, Thebarton at the lights of Ashwin Pde. I headed North along South Rd and saw another ambo heading south which had to drive on the north bound side because of the banked up traffic because of the cops actions.

Some cops can be real . . . . . . pigs. Hope no one died because of this!

I've seen police cars do illegal speeds and turns, but that was ok because it was tea time and he had a big meal order to fill at the local grease 'n chips shop.

Now when an ambulance driver does desperate things in traffic you can bet it's for a good reason!

Maybe the ambulance was stolen?

Pretty sure the hundreds of thousands of dollars that police around AU put in to road-worthying the VE commodore for service, that they are happy with the ride height across all terain.

Regarding emergency vehicles running red lights, thats complete rubbish. Highly trained ambulance/fire engine drivers can do what the hell they want to save lives as long as they dont worsen a situation, that includes running red lights SAFELY

If anyone here even had a slight insight on what is involved to be allowed to drive a vehicle under alert situations you would all pull your freaking heads in pretty quickly

I am in SES, we have a handful of drivers within out unit who are allowed to drive under alert conditions, even then, if an accident happens that is not even their fault their licence is immediately suspended until investigation is done. Not a bad consequence you suffer for trying to save someone's life. And then you need to look at the brainless twats on the road who refuse to give space to an emergancy vehicle, I have been in a few of these situations as a passenger in one of our units and have personally seen the crap the driver and the spotters have to go through

As for this hatred towards Police, you try sitting at the end of your freaking attitudes and keep a nice attitude, some of the piss poor comments here from people like MadMax really need to have some maturity thrown into the posts

theres no way ur car is under the 100mm. i was pulled over the other week and the cop had a good look over it and measured the height and said have a good night.

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7784/31962910150765270360510.jpg

Maybe the ambulance was stolen?

No. Driver had proper uniform as well as the passenger and the fact there was a second ambulance (RAV4) arriving from a different direction. I actually stopped at the lights and saw it all happen.

As for defects and illegal mods etc. Until the day every cop is taught the same way and have the same knowledge of how things work, we will continue to get situations posted by the OP.

The minimum height is done with passengers but does it say how heavy they are or whether they are seated in the correct seating positions. In the OPs case, did the cop only have the 3 passengers in the rear in which case it has biased the weight distribution making the rear sit lower than it was meant to. Did the 3 extra large passengers exceed the GVM specs? These all have to be taken into consideration, otherwise even my non-suspension modified car can be defected if you load enough into the boot with full tank and 3 extra-large passengers in the rear.