ok so tonight im heading up to pick up my new wheels (20's) but i read so much negative and positive feedback on here about them... i have a tj VR-X standard vr-x height. but im looking to at least put king lows in and not have to dick around tubbing the guards etc. i also tow a boat sometimes (fiberglass halfcab) my current 18's have eaten away at my inner guard plastics on the fronts so i expect ill be cutting them out? any advice and input would be great! cheers

rims are only half the picture dude... tyre sizing will play a big part in our answer to all the above questions. as will the width of the rim and the off set of the rim. give us those and we'll be able to have a crack at some pros and cons for you.

im pretty sure they are 8.5 wide! tyres i have no idea. i will know about tyres in 2 hours! they are 20' bboss eleanors

8.5 wide it will need to be +35 offset or more to safely sit within the guards, Negatives the tyres will cost alot more. The tyres will be illegal and so will the rims due to width and tyre load rating. They will also make the car feel less powerful due to the weight of the wheels.
Positives: They will look like absolute sex.

There is nothing wrong with the setup in terms of rubbing etc if you fit 235 tyres unless the offset is under +35.
They aren't legal but so is anyone else's magna with 19s or 20s so that's upto you, don't let people on these forums convince you either way.

Anything is legal as long as the rolling diameter is the same.

Anything is legal as long as the rolling diameter is the same.

I was under the impression you couldn't go more than 2 inches above factory...i.e. 17s can only go to 19s...thereby making 20s illegal...but correct me if I'm wrong, maybe the laws have changed.

I was under the impression you couldn't go more than 2 inches above factory...i.e. 17s can only go to 19s...thereby making 20s illegal...but correct me if I'm wrong, maybe the laws have changed.

Anything over the 2 inches needs a certificate I believe... but you are correct as far as law goes. There was talk of the rule Boosty spoke of above but talk was the only action take from memory.

They changed the laws in Sa to come inline with the other states, so the 2" rule no longer applies. As long as the outside diameter and load rating are correct it's ok.

There are now plenty of 225/35 and 245/30's that now carry a 97 load index and are perfectly leagle on magna's.

Test fit them before you buy as clearing the flares can be tricky. My wife's ralliart has 20x8.5's and only rubs occasionally

If the tyres are load rated no problem there then. it will only be the wheels that are illegal, being a fwd... however this is just a paper law and won't sacrafice the safety of your car.

If the tyres are load rated no problem there then. it will only be the wheels that are illegal, being a fwd... however this is just a paper law and won't sacrafice the safety of your car.

This is one of those facepalm moments. Paper law? Please explain

This is one of those facepalm moments. Paper law? Please explain

all laws are on paper aren't they :P

I guess, but its not an excuse to break the law just because it wont kill you lol

Anything is legal as long as the rolling diameter is the same.

Incorrect, at least in NSW, where the OP is from.

There are additional restrictions on rim width and varying the car's track.

Incorrect, at least in NSW, where the OP is from.

There are additional restrictions on rim width and varying the car's track.

Must just be an SA thing then. I remember the 2" rule years ago, but now it's fine to put any size as long as the rolling diameter is the same. Imguess the best way it to check with the relevant state laws for clarification.

Pros:
- Looks

Cons:
- Initial outlay
- Tyre pricing
- Tyre wear
- Scrubbing
- Handling (Tramlining, ride quality)
- Power loss (More motive force required to move wheels)
- Fuel economy (See above)
- Police attention

mate the pro for 20ies is the look. thats it.
CON: harsher ride, expensive tyres, easier to scratch up, greater ware on wheel hub bearings, heavier sunsprung weight of the wheel, and effectivly gearing up every gear a little, so down on power a tiny bit, having to put the little spare on the back if you get a flat on the front.
as far as rubbing goes, im running 225's and no issues except when i had worn bump stops and had ppl in the back

Here's an RTA Tyre and wheel modification *Guide* (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi09_rev4.pdf)

If your are looking for the Cons.
They are heavier increase unsprung weight for handling. ( though you may not track it, it would result in slower track times compared to 50 series)
They are heavier and increase acceleration times due to larger rotating mass, braking would probably be affected but negligable.
Larger rims are easier to scratch on gutters and other things like the edges of potholes, rocks, debris, concrete lips, dirt shoulders etc.
Much less comfortable due to virtually no tyre wall height.
Concerns about someone nickin your wheels.
Harder to get off the shelf replacements while travelling.
Unwanted bluelight attention.
You'll have to get a strut brace to keep the tramlining under control.

Pro's
You may get more sex!

Go for it
lol lol lol

Just kidding, I have a set of 18's that look bigger than they actually are. Only about 1 in 10 actually guess the right size, much easier to drive around in, and you can let your mates drive it
without saying " I've got 20"s, take a bit more care mate!.....

Well they are on! Now that they are on I have come and read this grrr they do look sex but the rear drivers side is "snapping" under breaks (snap snap snap snap" almost like I'm hitting break calipers but it's only under breaks and it's only the 1 wheel. The rest seem like the breaks are squeaking all of a sudden

Apologies if I repeat anything said above as I'm just spilling the thoughts out of my head.

Cons

Replacing tyres more expensive.
Car will be slower in a straight line compared to rolling on stockies, with the added downside of using more fuel.
Car may be slower in the corners due to increased unsprung mass, which affects handling, balance and braking.
Rims more likely to crack, buckle or be damaged.
Ride quality degraded.
Increased tramlining.
Steering feel corrupted.
Increased risk of being defected.
Depending on spoke design, rim width and offset, may foul suspension components / guards.
Accelerated wear on suspension components.
May invalidate insurance coverage.
A Magna on 20's? About as cool as a Hyundai Excel with a Jetspeed bodykit, chromies, bonnet vent and sports exhaust (and it's an automatic) ;)

Pros

You'll be the sickest cat on the block ... in Bankstown ... in a Magna ...

A Magna on 20's? About as cool as a Hyundai Excel with a Jetspeed bodykit, chromies, bonnet vent and sports exhaust (and it's an automatic) ;)

Pros

You'll be the sickest cat on the block ... in Bankstown ... in a Magna ...

Any Cred you had, thought you had, or were trying to build, is totally shot to peices. ;)

See Here....
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/SH00T/Pete.jpg

Here's a quick comparison of State by State tyre guides, pity its dated 2008....... (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=52051&IsPgd=0)

I see the picture, but am unsure how it advances your argument ;)

Cons: 20' wheels simply will not fit without a Monster Truck conversion.
Pros: 20" wheels should fit, although rubbing somewhere could be possible. Hind sight is perfect :)

' = foot
" = inch.

:D

Well they are on! Now that they are on I have come and read this grrr they do look sex but the rear drivers side is "snapping" under breaks (snap snap snap snap" almost like I'm hitting break calipers but it's only under breaks and it's only the 1 wheel. The rest seem like the breaks are squeaking all of a sudden

Ok so I understand that ride through to fuel and expenses are all at a loss! That I can handle but the snapping described above is doing my head in. The only thing I can see getting close is the strut tower behind wheel. There is bucket loads of clearence inside the wheel! It also rubs on back arch flares when accelerating hard into corners etc. But I'll grab new struts. That's no biggie! Any ideas what my mystery snap is?

Pro's
You may get more sex!




Funnily enough, I have had the pleasure of driving this car, the overall appeal of this car is phenominal, as I pulled out of the car parked, an attractive girl coming to the same car park, stopped dead in her tracks, appeared to momentarily lose all her ability to drive, and her mouth dropped open 2 inches, I'm sure her thighs relaxed too.
20"s are good for that.....

But to the OP, its pleasing to know you won't get that reaction from Magna Carta. lol

Funnily enough, I have had the pleasure of driving this car, the overall appeal of this car is phenominal, as I pulled out of the car parked, an attractive girl coming to the same car park, stopped dead in her tracks, appeared to momentarily lose all her ability to drive, and her mouth dropped open 2 inches, I'm sure her thighs relaxed too.
20"s are good for that.....

But to the OP, its pleasing to know you won't get that reaction from Magna Carta. lol

I suppose if one was interested in picking up a teenage mother with 4 kids to 3 different fathers, then 20s might be the go - tip, her mouth and thighs are 2 inches lower and more relaxed probably due to excessive use, not as a result of any uncontrollable and overwhelming moistness over a Ralliart Magna on oversized chromies ;)

In fact, all that picture shows is that only one of us has taste, and clearly it's you. I mean, there's no way in the world that a set of 18 inch light weight, forged Rays or Enkeis could be cooler or actually more practical and performance oriented than a set of 20 inch chromies ;) You're right, I have no credibility at all ;)

Back on topic, z.spender, have you checked how much brake clearance you have? What you've described is symptomatic of brake fouling under heavy braking.

I suppose if one was interested in picking up a teenage mother with 4 kids to 3 different fathers, then 20s might be the go - tip, her mouth and thighs are 2 inches lower and more relaxed probably due to excessive use, not as a result of any uncontrollable and overwhelming moistness over a Ralliart Magna on oversized chromies ;)

In fact, all that picture shows is that only one of us has taste, and clearly its you. I mean, there's no way in the world that a set of 18 inch light weight, forged Rays or Enkeis could be cooler or actually more practical and performance oriented than a set of 20 inch chromies ;) You're right, I have no credibility at all ;)



LOL !!! you sir, are funny

A comedian with no credibility. Could be worse ;)

Behave, there is funny, and there is just plain wrong.

Well all sounds point me towards breaks! Plenty of clearance between wheel and brakes. Just seems way to coincidental that I put new wheels on and all of a sudden I need new rotors for example car didn't make 1 rub noise prior to wheels. Now all of a sudden it sounds like warped disks rubbing.

Can you update you're ride in you profile from the au.
If you are getting rubbing on the guards, we can't see what mods are done, stocks wheels , brakes...
I've also heard snapping noises from loose nuts too. Not saying it is... But there is more info required.
Or the wheel just aint on straight, the bozo's at mits Mnt Gravatt did that to me once, cracking moises when braking and hard acceleration from the front, but as its the rear in your car, could be????
Just not on quite right, couldn't beleive it.
How 'close' is close from the wheel to the strut.
I've not heard of warped rotors on the rear before.

I've only heard of of wheels snapping/cracking under load 3 times in my 20 odd years of motoring, and each time it been the wheel fitments, slightly off, not done up properly.
Take it off, check the mating surfaces are clean, and refit, try that. It may not be the problem. But its worth a shot and free.
Others wise take it back in to a Pro pronto.

Can you update you're ride in you profile from the au.
If you are getting rubbing on the guards, we can't see what mods are done, stocks wheels , brakes...
I've also heard snapping noises from loose nuts too. Not saying it is... But there is more info required.
Or the wheel just aint on straight, the bozo's at mits Mnt Gravatt did that to me once, cracking moises when braking and hard acceleration from the front, but as its the rear in your car, could be????
Just not on quite right, couldn't beleive it.
How 'close' is close from the wheel to the strut.
I've not heard of warped rotors on the rear before.

Forget the strut, i would be checking if it rubs on the rear upper control arms

Actualy to tell you the truth every time I get out of the car I can tighten the nuts half a turn each on 3 wheels. But I can't get em to tight as I need stitches in a finger but I havnt been to doc. So when I put pressure on it she pops. I'll take it to bob Jane thisarvo. Sounds like that's my prob

Make sure you've got hub rings if needed so they sit snug.. You don't want them to have any unwanted movement!

I've had 20s for a while now.. 245/30/20.. Yeah it's a little rough at times, yeah you get ridiculously pissed off when you scratch one.. But it's all worth it when you step back and she looks like pure sex on wheels!

Don't believe all the negativity.. If you like the look of it and there's no mechanical issues (clearance, offset etc.) ... Do it and enjoy it! The Eleanors are a PHAT rim too..

SuFz

my brother in law had some dimwit fit magna rims to his falcon and the offset for the BA was close enough but the centre bore wasnt big enough, out by half a mm or so, so the guy just held them in place and tightened the lug nuts down to hold it in the "middle"of the hub with a goof 5mm clearnace from the actually mounting surface of the wheel and the disc. the disc could then float around, while you drove. Very very bad.

I've heard of the centre being too big and putting all the weight on the studs, but nothing where the centre is not big enough.

I hope your brother in law is enjoying his new wheel studs which he surely would have needed after that.

I've only heard of of wheels snapping/cracking under load 3 times in my 20 odd years of motoring, and each time it been the wheel fitments, slightly off, not done up properly.
Take it off, check the mating surfaces are clean, and refit, try that. It may not be the problem. But its worth a shot and free.
Others wise take it back in to a Pro pronto.

+1 for this.

When I fitted 20s to my 380 about a year ago now, I had problems straight away with the nuts becoming loose.
Apparently some alloy wheels need a little time for the the nuts to 'bed in' so they stay done up tight.
Just had to retighten the nuts every night or morning for about a week, then no more problems.
They also didn't come with locator rings, I bought some off Murph a little later and fitted them, improved things a little.

KJ.

Forget the strut, i would be checking if it rubs on the rear upper control arms

Thanks Dave!!
Leaves a nice clean mark doesn't it.

Man I get p(annoyed)d when I pay a place to work on my car and I get it back with a problem that didn't exist before.:gtfo:

But when they f(screw with)k with your wheels and tread, thats all you have holding to/and above the road.
But then having a bodgy finger, I'd know what to do with that. :happy:
But times are tough, money is scarce, and the guys doin the jobs are getting paid less, so the good people move on.

Still laffin at lil' petes red ralliart being used to pick up pwt

well i found the problem! it was a case of the center hub on the previous wheels needed F(annoying)ing plastic spacers! they had melted to the centers... here are some pics. i didnt notice them last night as it was 9pm before even thinking it was a great idea to go put them on!!!! the new wheels do not need them! here are the pics.
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l550/z_spender/IMG_0493.jpg
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l550/z_spender/IMG_0494.jpg
just a quick pic i took! will get better ones over the weekend
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l550/z_spender/IMG_0489.jpg

Can you update you're ride in you profile from the au.
If you are getting rubbing on the guards, we can't see what mods are done, stocks wheels , brakes...
I've also heard snapping noises from loose nuts too. Not saying it is... But there is more info required.
Or the wheel just aint on straight, the bozo's at mits Mnt Gravatt did that to me once, cracking moises when braking and hard acceleration from the front, but as its the rear in your car, could be????
Just not on quite right, couldn't beleive it.
How 'close' is close from the wheel to the strut.
I've not heard of warped rotors on the rear before.
hey bud, updated my profile! now that the wheels are on and working fine there is no noise, scrubbing or knocking! awesome :D thanks for all the reply's to you all too

Cons:....

20" semi slicks are like $1k per tyre.:(

There are no downsides in my opinion.

The only problem is it took me 5 Rallairts and 13 Magna's to realise i should put them on and now i'd never go back.

The only people that advise you not to get them and quote laws/regulations that are irrelevant are those who can't afford them or wish they had them !!

Wheres the pics at..?

SuFz

Which pics mate? With the old wheels it was bunnings car park at lakehaven! The 1 pic with the new wheels was shell servo at lake Munmorah and the pics with rear wheel Hub is in my driveway at chain valley bay!